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UNH Hockey: Where Do We Go From Here....

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Chuck, well said on so many fronts. If you thought about the risks we face EVERY day, people wouldn't leave the house. Many of the people crying close the schools, stay at home, are the same ones driving 85 in their Prius because I am "helping" the environment.

Life is one big lottery. Everyone wants to win the "lottery" and we do, every day, statistically speaking. There is a money lottery, the athletic 7 ft tall lottery, a 36-24-36 version, 1 in 20 million cancer one, the list goes on. Now we are talking about the 5,806 in 7.5 BILLION lottery and we have to shut down the world.

Remember Thy History - In 1976, there was a swine flu outbreak that was the next pandemic. A vaccine was rushed thru to solve it, and was forced on the military. The end result? 1, yes 1 (ONE) death attributed to the that flu and untold more deaths of people who took the untested VACCINE.
 
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'Watcher, I beg to disagree. Every time someone shuts down something, things that are part of everyday life, that is altering my everyday existence, and the choices I get to make.

So, some individual deciding you can't watch NCAA hockey "alters" your life, but having uniformed people actually spreading a disease that will cause thousands of deaths is not something you want to alter?

But this time around, we're literally seeing a few people catch a cold, and the rest of us are getting thrown into isolation, even when we don't have any symptoms.

You're use of the word "literally" to misstate a fact -- as the Fox newsers have done -- calling this a cold just shows that you are not content to rationally look at this. If you truly are agnostic and just a liberatarian, then why does it bother you too much? I suspect its because you have a political agenda driving your thoughts more than a principled thought process.

No one - not one person -- under the age of 50 has died from this in the US, yet we're now closing schools. This all just flows from the same folks who now cancel school when there's an inch or two of snow on the ground, or a layer of ice on the roads. Whether it's attributable to an extremely overcautious groupthink mindset, OR because those folks worry incessantly about the next ambulance chaser coming down the pike with a personal injury lawsuit, I dunno. Maybe both??

Or maybe they are looking at facts from other countries, and can actually forecast what will happen without action. When you go to a hockey game and the goalie gives up 2 goals in the first 10 seconds, do you also say "what is everyone worried about, its only two goals." You want a preview of what would come without drasitc measures?

17:08 GMT - Italy hits one-day record with 250 new deaths
Italy has recorded its highest one-day death toll yet from cases of the new coronavirus, according to official data.

There were 250 deaths recorded over the past 24 hours, taking the total to 1,266, with 17,660 infections overall, a rise of 2,547 since Thursday evening.




You think the NCAA is caving in to lose billions, just because of some peer pressure? Maybe they are not panicking but making smart decisions>

Regardless, now too many regular folks are delving further and further into panic-driven actions, like buying out grocery stores, and creating shortages of some staples. And every time someone - whether it's our President or folks on this forum - try to talk sense and urge folks not to delve into panic, it comes back in the other direction in waves of "you are a <fill-in-the-blank>-ist".

That you call the President talking "sense" when everyone says otherwise, and he keeps chaning his story about containment, suggests you are looking at this through a political, not logical view.

But now we're only hearing the downside, sometimes from the usual suspects, and "caution"-driven fear and panic rules over any effort to inject a sense of balance into the reality of the situation.

I'm sorry to repeat this, but I will. As a people, we've all just become so, so collectively soft.

Sometimes what people without information see as "panic" is really just rational decisions by more informed people. The fact that you call produnt responses a "panic" shows the double standard you are employing. Let them live their lives, just like you want us to let you run yours.

So, i summary, like your discussion of other issues related to politics, you tend to get jacked up and repeat Right wing talking points (Pocahontas, Greta, etc) rather than ever addressing the facts. And no, linking to babylonlee and a debunked non-scientist web site from the 70s about global warming isn't what I cann a rational perspective.
 
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We all need to keep in perspective that the coronavirus is not a death sentence. The panic going on with the cancellations, the toilet paper and food buying and general "we are all going to die" is so far out of proportion to reality. The vast majority of people wont even know they have it. Of the percentage that do get the test and find out they are infected, 99.8% will survive, UNLESS you fall into one of the high risk categories, where the percentages are 15-20%. Do I, or one of my loved ones, want to be in one of those categories? No. But those are the ones who need to take the precautions. If you have blonde hair and blue eyes, can you go in the sun all day unprotected? No, you take pre-cautions. Hook up with the town pump without protections, no, you take pre-cautions (and probably a pennicillin shot).

Take a deep breath. 99.999999999999996% of us will be here when this is over.

PS: I think Chuck was correct on Pocahontas.
 
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It is math. It is also looking at the lessons from the two real hot spots, China and Italy. Both ran out of hospital beds and equipment.

Remember Italy has more doctors and hospital beds per capita than the US.

Your analogy of the London Blitz is actually spot on. Protect smartly and keep living best you can.

London: under ground away from the bombing at night, best you can during the day

US: social distance to slow the spread, use the technology we have to continue best you can... Note I am sitting in my office at work.
 
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Chuck, well said on so many fronts. If you thought about the risks we face EVERY day, people wouldn't leave the house. Many of the people crying close the schools, stay at home, are the same ones driving 85 in their Prius because I am "helping" the environment.

Life is one big lottery. Everyone wants to win the "lottery" and we do, every day, statistically speaking. There is a money lottery, the athletic 7 ft tall lottery, a 36-24-36 version, 1 in 20 million cancer one, the list goes on. Now we are talking about the 5,806 in 7.5 BILLION lottery and we have to shut down the world.

Remember Thy History - In 1976, there was a swine flu outbreak that was the next pandemic. A vaccine was rushed thru to solve it, and was forced on the military. The end result? 1, yes 1 (ONE) death attributed to the that flu and untold more deaths of people who took the untested VACCINE.

Nice to see there are unafraid, independent, clear-thinking folks out there.

You're not fooling anyone but yourself. But that is your right...

You're the softest, partisan among us. Kudos for already laying the ground work for your victory lap. If 100,000+ don't die you were right and any response was meaningless? I could just as easily argue that 4 million would have died if we'd let you attend the Frozen Four and now we've saved all those lives. Lol...

I have nothing to apologize for because I'm not panicking. I haven't seen any panic (we certainly shop at different grocery stores). I see intelligent (read educated in this field) people making proactive decisions to prevent the serious spread of a virus that could effect the most vulnerable among us at minimal invasion to the rest of us. And yes, I'm able to do that even though I might brush it off rather easily as a 30-something in excellent health.

I also see you playing partisan and breathlessly espousing over and over that your liberty is at stake, while making sure to hammer home the point, that anyone who succumbs to this disease is simply not your problem. The reality is you have been at worst, minorly inconvenienced - you just wanted something to complain about.

You are the easily offended, soft, perpetual whiner you despise.

I'm not offended or whining, Dan. I offer a different viewpoint, and you offer yours. It's called debate; suck it up and deal with it. I don't accuse you of whining or being offended if you happen to disagree with me. I might disagree with 'Watcher on a lot of things, but it never devolves into name-calling. But with you, it seems I can always count on you to pile on after the adults in the room have already chimed in. You could probably learn from that … but my money is on the likelihood you probably won't.

Chuck is a pedantic bore with slightly better language skills that Trump.

This may be the single nicest thing Uncle Jack has ever said about me. Thanks! :)

FWIW I find it funny how our President got hammered weeks ago for shutting down travel to China - something that's now seen as having been a critical positive step in protecting the US - and has also been advocating non-stop for 4-5 years now to bring manufacturing back to this country from places like China. Any of you globalists out there, hands up, admit you got this wrong, and the President continues to get that one right … show of hands, please??

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But this time around, we're literally seeing a few people catch a cold, and the rest of us are getting thrown into isolation, even when we don't have any symptoms. No one - not one person -- under the age of 50 has died from this in the US, yet we're now closing schools. This all just flows from the same folks who now cancel school when there's an inch or two of snow on the ground, or a layer of ice on the roads. Whether it's attributable to an extremely overcautious groupthink mindset, OR because those folks worry incessantly about the next ambulance chaser coming down the pike with a personal injury lawsuit, I dunno. Maybe both??
Literally NOT a cold. Who has been thrown into isolation and where are these isolation places?

This is different than cancelling school for snow/ice, which if a bus or two tragically crashed the absolute worst case scenario would be <100 deaths. The CDC web site says we are currently at 41 corona virus deaths and this virus is just getting started.

Almost twenty (20) years ago, we literally were under coordinated attack from a foreign enemy on our home soil, and thousands of people were killed in the blink of an eye. There was some panic - what else might be coming next? - and it was warranted, even if the follow-up attacks never came to fruition. We (US) recovered and rebounded quickly, and that served as a shining example of what this country still can be … if we let it be.
Ask an injured veteran or the survivors of those killed (2 this week) how well we recovered and rebounded.

But now we're only hearing the downside, sometimes from the usual suspects, and "caution"-driven fear and panic rules over any effort to inject a sense of balance into the reality of the situation.
Better safe than sorry. Be prepared. We are not. The administration should have added the president of Ventilators-r-Us to the Rose Garden CEO parade to tell us how he was ramping up production.

I'm sorry to repeat this, but I will. As a people, we've all just become so, so collectively soft.
Agreed.
 
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FWIW I find it funny how our President got hammered weeks ago for shutting down travel to China - something that's now seen as having been a critical positive step in protecting the US - and has also been advocating non-stop for 4-5 years now to bring manufacturing back to this country from places like China. Any of you globalists out there, hands up, admit you got this wrong, and the President continues to get that one right … show of hands, please??:confused:
Looking forward to paying like $4000 for your next smart phone, are you? :D
 
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Looking forward to paying like $4000 for your next smart phone, are you? :D

Overstating things a little bit, no? :) Once you get away from the coastal metropolises, there are still plenty of parts of our country where folks would welcome the jobs. Those are the places that elected our President Trump. Some travel/shipping costs would be reduced, and the reliability of the chains would become more resilient, no? If I had to pay a few hundred dollars more for my tech to keep it in the US, sign me up. It's really a no-brainer, especially in light of recent events.

If you still want to use global supply chains to approximate current cost structures … why not Africa instead? They could use the jobs, my guess is the cost would be similar to China, and most importantly - most (if not all) of the countries across Africa aren't ideologically opposed to our way of life like they are in totalitarian Communist China?
 
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Overstating things a little bit, no? :) Once you get away from the coastal metropolises, there are still plenty of parts of our country where folks would welcome the jobs. Those are the places that elected our President Trump. Some travel/shipping costs would be reduced, and the reliability of the chains would become more resilient, no? If I had to pay a few hundred dollars more for my tech to keep it in the US, sign me up. It's really a no-brainer, especially in light of recent events.

If you still want to use global supply chains to approximate current cost structures … why not Africa instead? They could use the jobs, my guess is the cost would be similar to China, and most importantly - most (if not all) of the countries across Africa aren't ideologically opposed to our way of life like they are in totalitarian Communist China?
Yes. Hence the :D

Wages and labor burdens would increase and I suspect the quality would go down. You have a few hundred more, many do not.

All that dormant African manufacturing infrastructure has been keeping me up nights. :D
 
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NCAA to offer an extra year of eligibility for Spring sports. Haven’t read much on this but I doubt this applies to hockey and basketball. Anyone read up on it?

https://www.espn.com/college-sports...-discuss-granting-athletes-eligibility-relief


"In an email to a large group of administrators and other parties working in college athletics, committee chair Dr. Grace Calhoun, the athletic director at the University of Pennsylvania, wrote that the committee will "also discuss issues related to seasons of competition for winter sport student-athletes who were unable to participate in conference and NCAA championships."

It's unclear what options, if any, will be considered for winter sports athletes. Because the season was nearly complete, there are significant logistical challenges. However, a source told ESPN that the committee members wanted to discuss the issue further."

Geno Auriemma is a big proponent. I'm sure its a coincidence his team had five seniors on it.
 
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Chuck,

Your posts in this thread are among the most selfish statements I have ever read. You are not the victim of COVID-19. You are not the victim of the cancellation of college and professional sports as a result of national and global response to COVID-19. You lament partisan, perpetually offended culture of society today and you continue to be the most partisan and most offended person on any number of topics you bring to this board. The world does not revolve around you and your fellow citizens are not required to react to issues they face in a manner that pleases you...

People have died from this virus (5,080 is not a number I sneeze at when the alternative is my personal entertainment) and more certainly will - many will become infected and many are at risk. The number of future deaths/at risk patiencts would have undoubtedly risen exponentially had common sense steps not (finally) been taken to slow the spread of this virus across the country. All you've expressed in your posts is that it might not effect you personally and as a result you don't care. Why don't you just throw out a number as to how many lives are worth your ability to watch/attend sporting events in your golden years? How many lives have to be prevented by shutting down large events around the country to make it worthwhile for all of us to have inconvenienced you so greatly?

These are largely preventable deaths - if the right steps are taken - so if you're going to casual toss around numbers in the 5,000s as an inconvenience than you should probably take a long look in the mirror. Its not up to everyone else to accept the same level of risk that you are willing to accept. And it is not your right to put them at risk because you are not concerned. Unlike the people making this decision, you have zero responsibility at stake. Its easy for you condescend to all of us - as well as the people who actually have to combat this virus and make difficult decisions they don't want to make - from your couch. And that is certainly the only way you can make yourself the center of a global situation...

Setting the more important health risks aside, lets touch on the issue of cancelled collegiate activities so important to this board. As you know I work in college athletics - what I have worked so hard for is now out the window. My student-athletes have lost seasons of competition. I have seen colleagues and their student-athletes lose their seasons on the eve of potential championship competition. As hard as it is for all of them, I have yet to see any handle this situation without maturity, class and empathy for those who are dealing with much worse...

In your first post, not only do you fail to recognize the sacrifice made by the athletes actually competing in the sports you demand you are allowed to watch as one of your 'liberties'. In your subsequent post you denigrate their sacrifice, express disdain for them and mock their ability to accept these decisions with grace as 'soft' behavior. You could learn a lot from them in how they've handled one of the most difficult situations of their young lives...

Your attempts to misdirect the conversation into risks of everyday life are laughable. Analogies to the flu or automotive deaths are entirely transparent. Yes, people die from both and do so every day. Using that as a rationalization to argue against making common sense efforts to minimize risk and prevent preventable deaths in other ways is disgusting, especially when considering how much effort has been put into lowering death tolls related to the flu and to driving, giving us the numbers we have now. Your making straw-men arguments are designed to win a debate, politically instigate and convince yourself its okay to be so careless, nothing more...

If you don't want people to play the victim, than stop playing the victim. No one is forcing you to drive an automated car and no one is attacking your rights and liberties by putting sports on hold.

If you don't like people playing the partisan sheep, than stop being so **** partisan. Perhaps drastic decisions could have been avoided if the COVID-19 virus was respected a serious concern from the start and we weren't subjected to partisan rants about how it was entirely a hoax, that things were fine and that it was all a deep-state creation to kill the market and bruise the president's ego. If we had handled it like adults, maybe you'd still be able to watch 20 year old kids work their asses off so that they could adequately skate around for your god-given, inalienable right to be entertained...

We've gotten to a point where these decisions have had to be made. One Utah Jazz player infected with COVID-19 means the entire league is infected if they keep playing (and who knows how many staff, fans, etc). The same is true for any collegiate athlete/sport, which means the likely and substantial spread through the rest of the citizenry as a result and eventually to people with significant risk. And I know you'd never request that after fulfilling their duty of entertaining you they be quarantined/isolated from the rest of the population, putting their lives on hold - you know, civil liberties and all...

These decisions are the only ones that could be made, for your benefit even if you deny it. In many ways the government exists to protect people like you from themselves (as well as everyone you might take down with you while you exercise your 'freedoms') - but assuming you know more than those schooled, trained and paid to do so, tell me, what is the worst thing that happens if you're right? You're inconvenienced for a couple of weeks/months? Now think about what is the worst thing that could happen if you're wrong...

You revel in this 'panic' because it gives you another opportunity to come to these boards and tell us how smart, tough minded and righteous you are. If you didn't, you'd stop watching the news that is gearing all its platforms towards telling you people are panicking. It is not panic to make decisions in the best interest of other people. It is not panic to take steps to prevent the preventable.

Five thousand deaths (and who knows how many more) might be a measly and easily dismissable number for you, but its easy for me to recognize my current good fortune in this situation. Despite the end of my season, and the pain of my student-athletes, I have no serious connection to the virus at this time (family, athletes, friends). Out of empathy, it is my experience, that the vast majority of those actually sacrificing their athletic seasons (after months and years of hard work) are disappointed, but willing to do whatever is deemed necessary to minimize the risk towards those seriously affected moving forward. And no one gives a rat's *** about your ability to watch on TV or eat popcorn in the stands, or your personal opinion on the viability of them sacrificing their season...

Couldn't have said it better myself.
 
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