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UNH commitments/recruits for 2010 and beyond
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Re: UNH commitments/recruits for 2010 and beyond
No, they are a top end, class org. Clearinghouse is clearinghouse.
I am sure they as well as any other team would have their academic advisor assist teh kid in meeting the minimum to get in etc. It is a model that is replicated I am sure at most programs.
If you are a 20 year old still playing in the USHL, I would guess you were still looking for a deal or working on clearinghouse, neither are a bad thing. Keep in mind the standards are very low, but none the less must be met.
http://eligibilitycenter.org/ECWR2/NCAA_EMS/pdf/Quick_Reference_Sheet_for_IE_Standards-6-18-09.pdf
No, they are a top end, class org. Clearinghouse is clearinghouse.
I am sure they as well as any other team would have their academic advisor assist teh kid in meeting the minimum to get in etc. It is a model that is replicated I am sure at most programs.
If you are a 20 year old still playing in the USHL, I would guess you were still looking for a deal or working on clearinghouse, neither are a bad thing. Keep in mind the standards are very low, but none the less must be met.
http://eligibilitycenter.org/ECWR2/NCAA_EMS/pdf/Quick_Reference_Sheet_for_IE_Standards-6-18-09.pdf
Re: UNH commitments/recruits for 2010 and beyond
You need role players.
It's nice to have several over-agers on the team. Not only will they be able to adapt to the college game more quickly, but given the lack of interest by the NHL, they are more likely to stay 4 years.
You need Van Riemsdyks to win - I like to call them difference makers who will make the big plays on the biggest stage. However, you also need to complement these 1-3 year players with older guys who bring grit and experience.
You need role players.
It's nice to have several over-agers on the team. Not only will they be able to adapt to the college game more quickly, but given the lack of interest by the NHL, they are more likely to stay 4 years.
You need Van Riemsdyks to win - I like to call them difference makers who will make the big plays on the biggest stage. However, you also need to complement these 1-3 year players with older guys who bring grit and experience.
Re: UNH commitments/recruits for 2010 and beyond
The Mystery of Recruiting Reneges
The NCAA and UNH appear to utilize identical criteria when determining if a recruit meets the academic requirements for admission as a student athlete (e.g., completion of core high school courses; cutoffs for high school GPA + SAT scores; etc.). Someone correct me if I'm wrong on this point. In other words, if Cam Reid did not meet the admission requirements for UNH, he did not meet the minimum NCAA standards either and could not be admitted to St. Cloud State University. Therefore, Reid's decision to bail on UNH and commit to St. Cloud must have been based on some reason(s) other than he did not meet UNH admissions' standards.
As Watcher pointed out, perhaps top-notch recruits such as Reid and Matt White "decommit" from UNH because they figure it will be easier to maintain the minimum college GPA at a less rigorous school. Since there is a developing pattern of recruits backing out of commitments to UNH, I would hope and expect that the UNH coaches are trying to figure out what is going wrong. Let's hope that Cam Reid's good buddy and teammate, Grayson Downing, is not lured away from UNH for the same reasons.
http://www.kelowna.com/2009/11/17/reid-downing-cant-shake-team-canada-experience/
The Mystery of Recruiting Reneges
The NCAA and UNH appear to utilize identical criteria when determining if a recruit meets the academic requirements for admission as a student athlete (e.g., completion of core high school courses; cutoffs for high school GPA + SAT scores; etc.). Someone correct me if I'm wrong on this point. In other words, if Cam Reid did not meet the admission requirements for UNH, he did not meet the minimum NCAA standards either and could not be admitted to St. Cloud State University. Therefore, Reid's decision to bail on UNH and commit to St. Cloud must have been based on some reason(s) other than he did not meet UNH admissions' standards.
As Watcher pointed out, perhaps top-notch recruits such as Reid and Matt White "decommit" from UNH because they figure it will be easier to maintain the minimum college GPA at a less rigorous school. Since there is a developing pattern of recruits backing out of commitments to UNH, I would hope and expect that the UNH coaches are trying to figure out what is going wrong. Let's hope that Cam Reid's good buddy and teammate, Grayson Downing, is not lured away from UNH for the same reasons.
http://www.kelowna.com/2009/11/17/reid-downing-cant-shake-team-canada-experience/
Re: UNH commitments/recruits for 2010 and beyond
Im not sure how/why you came to that conclusion - UNH & the NCAA have the same initial eligibility requirements but that doesn't mean that the UNH admissions office would admit student-athletes who barely qualify.
To pass through the Clearinghouse prospective recruits need to essentially meet minimum standards of a 2.00 GPA in core courses (at least 14 core courses) and an 800 (820?) SAT score - certainly not too difficult. I dont think its a leap to assume that UNH would require recruits to be fall more in line with the general student body. Most schools do, some more stringently than others...
White's and Reid's academic issues are well documented by Watcher above - if either or both had passed admissions they would be skating for the Wildcats this winter! Perhaps, after being defered they were dinged again or changed their mind, who really knows?
Im certain that UNH has GPA/Test Score cutoffs that they clearly layout for their coaches - its frustrating that the hockey team would target fringe kids, tying up that money while other players commit elsewhere, and then lose them. But it is too hard to gauge exactly how or why that happens from the outside looking in. Are the kids coasting after getting their scholarship? Are they questionable to begin with? Regardless, the coaches need to make sound decisions and recruit players who can get admitted.
I am a college softball recruiter - We see talented kids all the time that we wont even talk to because we know we will not be able to get them into school. Perhaps UNH needs to do a better job making these evaluations and move on when necessary...
On the flip-side, certainly Reid met NCAA eligibility requirements (or he wouldnt be at SCSU) and Umile historically done an excellent job of recruiting character student-athletes. If he thinks Reid can get the job done academically at UNH, hasnt he earned/should he be allowed the benefit of the doubt?
Frustrating from many angles - but more importantly, UNH needs to do a better job of targeting, recruiting and matriculating these players to Durham...
Im not sure how/why you came to that conclusion - UNH & the NCAA have the same initial eligibility requirements but that doesn't mean that the UNH admissions office would admit student-athletes who barely qualify.
To pass through the Clearinghouse prospective recruits need to essentially meet minimum standards of a 2.00 GPA in core courses (at least 14 core courses) and an 800 (820?) SAT score - certainly not too difficult. I dont think its a leap to assume that UNH would require recruits to be fall more in line with the general student body. Most schools do, some more stringently than others...
White's and Reid's academic issues are well documented by Watcher above - if either or both had passed admissions they would be skating for the Wildcats this winter! Perhaps, after being defered they were dinged again or changed their mind, who really knows?
Im certain that UNH has GPA/Test Score cutoffs that they clearly layout for their coaches - its frustrating that the hockey team would target fringe kids, tying up that money while other players commit elsewhere, and then lose them. But it is too hard to gauge exactly how or why that happens from the outside looking in. Are the kids coasting after getting their scholarship? Are they questionable to begin with? Regardless, the coaches need to make sound decisions and recruit players who can get admitted.
I am a college softball recruiter - We see talented kids all the time that we wont even talk to because we know we will not be able to get them into school. Perhaps UNH needs to do a better job making these evaluations and move on when necessary...
On the flip-side, certainly Reid met NCAA eligibility requirements (or he wouldnt be at SCSU) and Umile historically done an excellent job of recruiting character student-athletes. If he thinks Reid can get the job done academically at UNH, hasnt he earned/should he be allowed the benefit of the doubt?
Frustrating from many angles - but more importantly, UNH needs to do a better job of targeting, recruiting and matriculating these players to Durham...
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RockTheWhit
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Re: UNH commitments/recruits for 2010 and beyond
How long before UNH targets Brendan van Riemsdyk? Gotta finish the trifecta.
How long before UNH targets Brendan van Riemsdyk? Gotta finish the trifecta.
Re: UNH commitments/recruits for 2010 and beyond
Thanks for advancing the discussion. Imagine how difficult it must be to evaluate a 15 or 16-year-old recruit and try to predict what their Grade Point Average, Class Ranking, and SAT scores will be by the time he finishes his senior year of high school (to say nothing of predicting how his hockey skills will progress). In an ideal world, one would want to administer a battery of academic achievement and intelligence tests to the young recruit. If he is already a grade or two behind in reading and math skills and/or has a below average IQ score, you'd probably want to steer clear of him.
Thanks for advancing the discussion. Imagine how difficult it must be to evaluate a 15 or 16-year-old recruit and try to predict what their Grade Point Average, Class Ranking, and SAT scores will be by the time he finishes his senior year of high school (to say nothing of predicting how his hockey skills will progress). In an ideal world, one would want to administer a battery of academic achievement and intelligence tests to the young recruit. If he is already a grade or two behind in reading and math skills and/or has a below average IQ score, you'd probably want to steer clear of him.
i'zonprize
GRANITE STATE PRIDE
Re: UNH commitments/recruits for 2010 and beyond
Weren't White, Bourque and Reid supposed to be part of the same '09 class and Kolomitis and Yandle '06? Too bad.. that's a potential staring line-up right there.
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It's tough to not hold the coaches accountable no matter what the reason.
My guess is that UNH knew about Reid well before hand, as Sorkin went from an '11 recruit to a '10 over the Summer. Got a lot of good press, played for the US jr Team and doing decently in yr 1 in the USHL and on a decent scoring streak to boot.. after playing for Team Maryland of all places. Casey Thrush, another Team Maryland kid.. is a top 100 prospect as well. In fact he's ranked the highest prospect of all the UNH incoming recruits and he's not scheduled until '12.
My other guess is that Lallegia shows up in the Fall. He'll be 18, coming off a great season in the BCHL.. really no reason to stay there again. Time to move on.. hopefully to UNH!!
Not to add to 'speculation' but, Downing has not skated with Westside for a bit now.. Injury or is he hitting the books? He would get loads and loads of ice time next yr as Frosh.
Weren't White, Bourque and Reid supposed to be part of the same '09 class and Kolomitis and Yandle '06? Too bad.. that's a potential staring line-up right there.
3- grades
1- emotional
1- papa
It's tough to not hold the coaches accountable no matter what the reason.
My guess is that UNH knew about Reid well before hand, as Sorkin went from an '11 recruit to a '10 over the Summer. Got a lot of good press, played for the US jr Team and doing decently in yr 1 in the USHL and on a decent scoring streak to boot.. after playing for Team Maryland of all places. Casey Thrush, another Team Maryland kid.. is a top 100 prospect as well. In fact he's ranked the highest prospect of all the UNH incoming recruits and he's not scheduled until '12.
My other guess is that Lallegia shows up in the Fall. He'll be 18, coming off a great season in the BCHL.. really no reason to stay there again. Time to move on.. hopefully to UNH!!
Not to add to 'speculation' but, Downing has not skated with Westside for a bit now.. Injury or is he hitting the books? He would get loads and loads of ice time next yr as Frosh.
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Re: UNH commitments/recruits for 2010 and beyond
"Forward Grayson Downing, who has missed the last seven games with a concussion, practiced Thursday and should be ready to go this weekend.
Downing has 14 goals and 28 points in 31 games with the Warriors this season." http://www.castanet.net/news/Sports/52044/Warriors-busy-with-3-in-3-weekend
Hot off the press:
"Forward Grayson Downing, who has missed the last seven games with a concussion, practiced Thursday and should be ready to go this weekend.
Downing has 14 goals and 28 points in 31 games with the Warriors this season." http://www.castanet.net/news/Sports/52044/Warriors-busy-with-3-in-3-weekend
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i'zonprize
GRANITE STATE PRIDE
Re: UNH commitments/recruits for 2010 and beyond
Thanks C-H-C and Watcher.. clearly I have no idea what I'm takling about!
I appreciate the perspective!!
Thanks C-H-C and Watcher.. clearly I have no idea what I'm takling about!
I appreciate the perspective!!
Re: UNH commitments/recruits for 2010 and beyond
On the contrary!
Every piece of information is helpful. The heightened interest in the recruiting process has been spurred by the frustrating loss of talented recruits. I wonder if other Division 1 teams are experiencing the same defection of committed recruits?
On the contrary!
Every piece of information is helpful. The heightened interest in the recruiting process has been spurred by the frustrating loss of talented recruits. I wonder if other Division 1 teams are experiencing the same defection of committed recruits?Re: UNH commitments/recruits for 2010 and beyond
I know he is not coming to UNH but it is difficult to not wish the best for a kid like this
Published Jan 16, 2010
Published Saturday January 16, 2010
USHL: Amidst tragedy, White captivates Civic crowd with performance
By Steve Beideck
WORLD-HERALD CORRESPONDENT
A franchise record crowd Saturday night helped the Omaha Lancers to a 4-1 victory over the Lincoln Stars in a way few of the 7,178 at Civic Auditorium realized.
Less than two hours before the scheduled start of the game between the United States Hockey League rivals, Omaha forward Matt White found out that his father Ron had unexpectedly passed away.
Lancers coach Bliss Littler said the Whittier, Calif., native got the phone call as he was arriving at the rink for the game that started 30 minutes late because so many people were still in line waiting to purchase tickets.
Tears were still rolling down Littler's cheeks as he spoke about the emotional evening and that one of his best players and the leading scorer in the USHL still wanted to suit up and play. The coach had a one-word response to that request.
“Shocked,” Littler said.
Not only did the UNO recruit play, he scored the first and last goals of the game and had an assist.
“He sat in the office when he found out and said he wanted to play,” Littler said. “I just told him I wanted him to skate warm-ups and see how he felt, and I certainly wasn't going to stop him.”
Littler said he didn't have any details about what happened and wasn't sure if White would suit up for today's 5:05 p.m. game against Cedar Rapids.
“We'll fly him home whenever he's ready,” Littler said.
White's teammates mobbed him after he broke the scoreless tie and gave the crowd a reason to cheer midway through the second period.
White took a perfect pass down the ice from Erik Haula that created Omaha's first breakaway opportunity. White found another gear and stayed one step ahead of the Lincoln defender, who was fast approaching to his right.
With just enough room to fake a shot to the left, White then moved the puck in front of Lincoln goaltender Matt Green and slapped it past him on the right with 10:41 left before the second intermission.
The 25-7-2 Lancers made it 2-0 less than six minutes later when Dakota Eveland pushed the puck between Green's legs. Green nearly made the stop, but the puck dribbled across the goal line.
Omaha went ahead 3-0 on Anthony Hamburg's third goal of the season early in the third period. Omaha goalie Jeff Teglia just missed recording his second shutout when Brodie Reid scored on an extra attacker rush with 3:10 remaining in the game.
White then finished the scoring with five seconds remaining on an empty net shot before returning with his teammates and coaches to the locker room after a bittersweet victory.
I know he is not coming to UNH but it is difficult to not wish the best for a kid like this
Published Jan 16, 2010
Published Saturday January 16, 2010
USHL: Amidst tragedy, White captivates Civic crowd with performance
By Steve Beideck
WORLD-HERALD CORRESPONDENT
A franchise record crowd Saturday night helped the Omaha Lancers to a 4-1 victory over the Lincoln Stars in a way few of the 7,178 at Civic Auditorium realized.
Less than two hours before the scheduled start of the game between the United States Hockey League rivals, Omaha forward Matt White found out that his father Ron had unexpectedly passed away.
Lancers coach Bliss Littler said the Whittier, Calif., native got the phone call as he was arriving at the rink for the game that started 30 minutes late because so many people were still in line waiting to purchase tickets.
Tears were still rolling down Littler's cheeks as he spoke about the emotional evening and that one of his best players and the leading scorer in the USHL still wanted to suit up and play. The coach had a one-word response to that request.
“Shocked,” Littler said.
Not only did the UNO recruit play, he scored the first and last goals of the game and had an assist.
“He sat in the office when he found out and said he wanted to play,” Littler said. “I just told him I wanted him to skate warm-ups and see how he felt, and I certainly wasn't going to stop him.”
Littler said he didn't have any details about what happened and wasn't sure if White would suit up for today's 5:05 p.m. game against Cedar Rapids.
“We'll fly him home whenever he's ready,” Littler said.
White's teammates mobbed him after he broke the scoreless tie and gave the crowd a reason to cheer midway through the second period.
White took a perfect pass down the ice from Erik Haula that created Omaha's first breakaway opportunity. White found another gear and stayed one step ahead of the Lincoln defender, who was fast approaching to his right.
With just enough room to fake a shot to the left, White then moved the puck in front of Lincoln goaltender Matt Green and slapped it past him on the right with 10:41 left before the second intermission.
The 25-7-2 Lancers made it 2-0 less than six minutes later when Dakota Eveland pushed the puck between Green's legs. Green nearly made the stop, but the puck dribbled across the goal line.
Omaha went ahead 3-0 on Anthony Hamburg's third goal of the season early in the third period. Omaha goalie Jeff Teglia just missed recording his second shutout when Brodie Reid scored on an extra attacker rush with 3:10 remaining in the game.
White then finished the scoring with five seconds remaining on an empty net shot before returning with his teammates and coaches to the locker room after a bittersweet victory.
IrishWildcat
Holding onto what I haven't got
Re: UNH commitments/recruits for 2010 and beyond
WMUR confirmed it tonight. TvR will arrive in Durham for the fall of 2011.
WMUR confirmed it tonight. TvR will arrive in Durham for the fall of 2011.
Re: UNH commitments/recruits for 2010 and beyond
Update on goalie, Cody Campbell (who turns 18 next month). Since his trade from Fargo to the Cedar Rapids Roughriders of the USHL, he has had 3 wins and 1 loss with 1.81 goals against and a .939 save percentage. In other words, his play has improved since the trade. He alternates goalie duties with a fellow named Troy Grosenick, a 20 and 1/2 year old who was just named to the USHL All Star Team.
Update on goalie, Cody Campbell (who turns 18 next month). Since his trade from Fargo to the Cedar Rapids Roughriders of the USHL, he has had 3 wins and 1 loss with 1.81 goals against and a .939 save percentage. In other words, his play has improved since the trade. He alternates goalie duties with a fellow named Troy Grosenick, a 20 and 1/2 year old who was just named to the USHL All Star Team.
i'zonprize
GRANITE STATE PRIDE
Re: UNH commitments/recruits for 2010 and beyond
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4891901
hmmm.. talk about committing early!! I wonder what 'rules' are in place here and if they differ from hockey!
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4891901
hmmm.. talk about committing early!! I wonder what 'rules' are in place here and if they differ from hockey!
RockTheWhit
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Re: UNH commitments/recruits for 2010 and beyond
Two of the recruits slated to come in this fall were traded from their USHL teams this week. Nick Sorkin was traded from Waterloo to Sioux City, where he joins up with fellow future Wildcat Jeff Silengo. Justin Agosta was traded from Indiana to the New Jersey Hitmen of the EJHL. Sorkin was having a decent year with Waterloo with 5-19-24 in 31 games. Waterloo is pretty deep at forward, maybe that is why they got rid of him. Agosta was 3-13-16 with a +3 in 36 games for Indiana. Perhaps he wanted to finish up the season closer to his home in NY. I'm guessing on the reasons for both trades, but I do find it rather puzzling that now three members of this fall's recruiting class (Cody Campbell being the third) have been traded from their USHL teams this season.
Two of the recruits slated to come in this fall were traded from their USHL teams this week. Nick Sorkin was traded from Waterloo to Sioux City, where he joins up with fellow future Wildcat Jeff Silengo. Justin Agosta was traded from Indiana to the New Jersey Hitmen of the EJHL. Sorkin was having a decent year with Waterloo with 5-19-24 in 31 games. Waterloo is pretty deep at forward, maybe that is why they got rid of him. Agosta was 3-13-16 with a +3 in 36 games for Indiana. Perhaps he wanted to finish up the season closer to his home in NY. I'm guessing on the reasons for both trades, but I do find it rather puzzling that now three members of this fall's recruiting class (Cody Campbell being the third) have been traded from their USHL teams this season.
Re: UNH commitments/recruits for 2010 and beyond
Correct me if I am wrong - wasn't Speelman a late '09 recruit replacing Bourque after Bouque's 'defection' to Quebec Major Juniors?
Speelman looks great to me, and will likely be with UNH all four yrs. Ryan on the other hand was 1 or 2yrs and done.
I like the way things have turned out.
Correct me if I am wrong - wasn't Speelman a late '09 recruit replacing Bourque after Bouque's 'defection' to Quebec Major Juniors?
Speelman looks great to me, and will likely be with UNH all four yrs. Ryan on the other hand was 1 or 2yrs and done.
I like the way things have turned out.
GP__G___A___P
23....2....4.....6 -- Dalton Speelman
42...18...24...42 -- Ryan Bourque QMJHL/Que
... the numbers don't tell it all....23....2....4.....6 -- Dalton Speelman
42...18...24...42 -- Ryan Bourque QMJHL/Que