UNH commitments/recruits for 2010 and beyond

[Hokydad]

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Thanks for the info. I noticed that he (Vecchione) played in the Bay State Summer Games last weekend but doesn't appear to be participating in the current Junior Chowder Cup.

If he played it would be the Sr Chowder Cup. That is typical of him. A traditional city kid who doesnt get caught up in all the meaningless showcase tournaments and running around to 20 a summer. Will do that as well as HNIB and play baseball and train.

If he had done all those events he would have been scooped up by BC etc a few years ago. Far superior to several of the kids who committed earlier. Is going to be a Saviano type when he is done there. Will be very interesting to see where he is after a year in USHL

 

[SteveS.]

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As I mentioned a few weeks a go my prediction on Mason Jobst not remaining a sleeper have come true. He was the top scorer at the National U16 Player Development Camp with 2 goals and 9 assists in 6 games. This kid is a pure playmaker that can score and will not shy away from a hit. I'm hearing at least 4 DI teams including a Hockey East team are now interested in him. I wish UNH would go after kids like this, I miss the days when UNH fowards controlled the offensive zone aka Clark Hislop Cox.

 

[C-H-C]

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Can someone on here who has access to 'The Scouting News' and or the 'Amateur Hockey Report' do me a favor and send me any info you can 'cut and paste' on Mason Jobst.

Mason played on my son's HS team here in Indiana this past season, and he is quickly moving up the prospect ladder as a 94. I know there is info on him at both websites but I don't have access. Thanks to whoever can help!

As I mentioned a few weeks a go my prediction on Mason Jobst not remaining a sleeper have come true. He was the top scorer at the National U16 Player Development Camp with 2 goals and 9 assists in 6 games. This kid is a pure playmaker that can score and will not shy away from a hit. I'm hearing at least 4 DI teams including a Hockey East team are now interested in him. I wish UNH would go after kids like this, I miss the days when UNH fowards controlled the offensive zone aka Clark Hislop Cox.

A quick search of the internet shows that the youngster Mason Jobst continues to be covered by pay-to-read scouting sites:
http://www.thescoutingnews.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=29250&Itemid=54

Can you help fill us in from what you know of him (e.g., Are his immediate plans the USHL, USA hockey, high or prep school, etc; Does he eventually want to play Div I or go Major Junior; Are his academic skills up to NCAA standards)?

Also, how would a propect from the midwest get onto UNH's radar? Does he play in any of the summer tournaments in the Northeast? Do any of the UNH coaches have a connection to Indiana hockey?

 

[Hokydad]

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A quick search of the internet shows that the youngster Mason Jobst continues to be covered by pay-to-read scouting sites:
http://www.thescoutingnews.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=29250&Itemid=54

Can you help fill us in from what you know of him (e.g., Are his immediate plans the USHL, USA hockey, high or prep school, etc; Does he eventually want to play Div I or go Major Junior; Are his academic skills up to NCAA standards)?

Also, how would a propect from the midwest get onto UNH's radar? Does he play in any of the summer tournaments in the Northeast? Do any of the UNH coaches have a connection to Indiana hockey?

All Hockey East coaches scout the MN Elite League on a regular basis. they assume that if a kid can play there, he can play hockey east. Kind of like they used to do with New England Prep School League. Which is now a shell of what it used to be talent wise.

UNH is constantly in USHL, BCHL and MN Elite.

 

[C-H-C]

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All Hockey East coaches scout the MN Elite League on a regular basis. they assume that if a kid can play there, he can play hockey east. Kind of like they used to do with New England Prep School League. Which is now a shell of what it used to be talent wise.

For those of us who haven't followed prep school hockey until recently, how has the talent diminished over the years? The top prep school players seem to be making solid progress on their hockey careers (e.g., http://www.hockeyjournal.com/news/2010/04/07_coyle,hayes.php).

 

[Hokydad]

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prep is watered down and not the league it used to be...
the top local kids are not flocking there in masses anymore. Does have talent but very spread out
over 10 kids left the league last year for USHL alone as well as kids accelrating
Coyle, Arnold, Brickley, Fitzgerald, Bennett, Dubois, Fitzgerlad, Isles all left before graduating.
League used to be deep, not anymore.
That is why coaches are now hesitant about taking kids from there(of cousre they still take some) and are looking at catholic conference for first time in years. 5 alone from Malden Catholic are getting deals where only 1 since Tkachuk before that.

 

[RockTheWhit]

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All Hockey East coaches scout the MN Elite League on a regular basis. they assume that if a kid can play there, he can play hockey east. Kind of like they used to do with New England Prep School League. Which is now a shell of what it used to be talent wise.

UNH is constantly in USHL, BCHL and MN Elite.

I'm intrigued that you mention the UNH coaches as scouting the MN Elite League. Danny Vranek is the only Minnesota high schooler to enter UNH in the last seven years (and he wasn't originally from Minnesota) and he left the school after two seasons. Is UNH continuously swinging and missing with MN high school kids as the other Hockey East schools bring them in with success?

 

[GoNU5]

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I'm intrigued that you mention the UNH coaches as scouting the MN Elite League. Danny Vranek is the only Minnesota high schooler to enter UNH in the last seven years (and he wasn't originally from Minnesota) and he left the school after two seasons. Is UNH continuously swinging and missing with MN high school kids as the other Hockey East schools bring them in with success?

You probably have gotten some USHL players who were originally in the MN Elite League. I think most players who go from MN Elite straight to college go to Minnesota colleges as opposed to Hockey East schools.

 

[RockTheWhit]

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You probably have gotten some USHL players who were originally in the MN Elite League. I think most players who go from MN Elite straight to college go to Minnesota colleges as opposed to Hockey East schools.

You're right on #2. Other than Vranek who played for Eden Prairie, the last Minnesota native was Shawn Vinz, who graduated in 07, after chipping in a whopping 10 points over four years. With the Gophers underperforming, a number of top MN kids are heading elsewhere to play in college, and if UNH is actually trying to recruit them, I'm surprised they haven't gotten any.

 

[C-H-C]

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From the recent College Hockey News article with Coach Don Lucia of Minnesota:
"We've won a lot. Are we where we want to be right now? No. The trick is, we need to keep our kids long enough. It used to be a guy was an All-American before he left. If you can keep those guys long enough — look at what RIT did in Atlantic Hockey, or Bemidji State before that. Why? It was a bunch of 22- and 23-year olds. They were grizzled vets. They aren't going to play in the NHL. We've got to find a way to have that. Some kids like (current senior) Mike Hoeffel wanted to stay and graduate. Most of them that are drafted, they can all leave if they want, at any time and more than likely (their drafted team will) sign them." http://www.collegehockeynews.com/news/2010/08/02_qaminnesota.php

Whether by design, accident, or both, UNH has largely followed the strategy of developing "grizzled vets." By the time playoff season rolls around next spring, the age of the seniors will be as follows:
Paul Thompson - 22
Mike Sislo - 23
Matt Campanale - 23
Mike Beck - 25
Phil DeSimone - 24
Recruiting prospects who are good enough to be considered during the NHL Entry Draft but do not get drafted - as reflected by many of the UNH commits - usually means they will become four-year players. It's interesting that the coach of a college team known for recruiting many NHL draftees would rather have more undrafted players who play and graduate.

 

[Ryecheers]

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Whether by design, accident, or both, UNH has largely followed the strategy of developing "grizzled vets." By the time playoff season rolls around next spring, the age of the seniors will be as follows:
Paul Thompson - 22
Mike Sislo - 23
Matt Campanale - 23
Mike Beck - 25
Phil DeSimone - 24
Recruiting prospects who are good enough to be considered during the NHL Entry Draft but do not get drafted - as reflected by many of the UNH commits - usually means they will become four-year players. It's interesting that the coach of a college team known for recruiting many NHL draftees would rather have more undrafted players who play and graduate.

That's what Northeastern thought it had with Jake Newton as a 21 yr. old freshman. Didn't quite work out that way. At least with a drafted player, a coach knows who will sign the kid and can sometimes interface with that team. With a free agent, an offer can come out of the blue from any of the 30 NHL teams as well as foreign teams. Newton's defection came as a bit of a surprise to Cronin and crew. If fact, until last week, he was one of only two frosh who bolted ( Tanev of RIT was the other).

 

[C-H-C]

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Here's Cam Reid's account of why he decommited from UNH last summer and will be playing for St. Cloud State instead:
http://www.examiner.com/x-8246-Nash...10m7d18-Cam-Reid-ready-to-head-back-to-school
It seems strange that neither Reid, his parents or advisors were aware of what high school courses were required for admission to UNH. One would think that this type of information would have been conveyed by the UNH coaches well in advance of July, 2009. Also, if Reid simply needed to complete a couple more high school courses, why not take care of them in 2009/10 and enroll in UNH this September? There must be more to this story.

 

[UNHhockey29]

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Here's Cam Reid's account of why he decommited from UNH last summer and will be playing for St. Cloud State instead:
http://www.examiner.com/x-8246-Nash...10m7d18-Cam-Reid-ready-to-head-back-to-school
It seems strange that neither Reid, his parents or advisors were aware of what high school courses were required for admission to UNH. One would think that this type of information would have been conveyed by the UNH coaches well in advance of July, 2009. Also, if Reid simply needed to complete a couple more high school courses, why not take care of them in 2009/10 and enroll in UNH this September? There must be more to this story.

It's not like UNH expects some crazy high school classes to get in.

 

[hockey east fan]

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Here's Cam Reid's account of why he decommited from UNH last summer and will be playing for St. Cloud State instead:
http://www.examiner.com/x-8246-Nash...10m7d18-Cam-Reid-ready-to-head-back-to-school
It seems strange that neither Reid, his parents or advisors were aware of what high school courses were required for admission to UNH. One would think that this type of information would have been conveyed by the UNH coaches well in advance of July, 2009. Also, if Reid simply needed to complete a couple more high school courses, why not take care of them in 2009/10 and enroll in UNH this September? There must be more to this story.

CHC your right,there must be more to the story.If that was the case its the universitys fault.It seems its happened more in the last couple years than the previous ten years.Maybe time for UNH to smartin up.

 

[Goldie]

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when you make a verbal to a school they ask you to send in your transcripts to verify GPA and graduation credits etc. When you sign a LOI they ask for additional info, and in the spring before your entry year, they ask for the completed application etc. The NCAA clearinghouse also looks through your transcripts to make sure that you have completed the prerequisites. There are plenty of opportunities for the school and student to compare notes. Although i know nothing specific, for the process to go down into the summer, I would think that there may have been some summer schooling involved that didn't pan out. The schools want to get everyting put to bed byApril/ May so that the player can attend orientations, order equipment and housing arrangements can be made. I am guessing that the player couldn't get his transcript to match the schools needed requirements. Maybe SCSU had different requirements for entry. All schools are not asking for the same things.

 

[C-H-C]

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CHC your right,there must be more to the story.If that was the case its the universitys fault.It seems its happened more in the last couple years than the previous ten years.Maybe time for UNH to smartin up.

Earlier today, I noticed that Northeastern had just lost a recruit (Mitch MacMillan) who decommited in favor of going to St. Cloud State (is their mascot the "decommits"). According to the Hamilton Bulldogs (of the British Columbia Hockey League) blog, MacMillan left because:
"of some scholarship and late paperwork issues"http://hammersdogs.blogspot.com/2010/08/mitch-macmillan-decommits-to.html
As Hokydad has suggested on the NU Recruit thread, MacMillan's decommit may have been prompted by NU's need to free up scholarship money for former BC recruit Cody Ferriero.

I'm starting to think that when a talented recruit decommits from one Division I school in favor of another, for a stated reason that seems a little vague, there is probably a logical explanation. Either the recruit is trying to wiggle out of a commitment to advance his own career or the school is trying to squeeze the player out in order to meet some other more pressing need (e.g., freeing up scholarship money). In any case, it's a challenge for the average fan to figure out what actually transpired.

In fairness to UNH, the program has not lost any returning or incoming players over the summer (keeping the fingers crossed) while several other Division I programs have experienced prominent defections to the NHL, Canadian Major Junior, and/or other colleges. Recruiting a teenage prospect and sheparding him through to actual enrollment is a complicated process in which a lot can go wrong.

 

[C-H-C]

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when you make a verbal to a school they ask you to send in your transcripts to verify GPA and graduation credits etc. When you sign a LOI they ask for additional info, and in the spring before your entry year, they ask for the completed application etc. The NCAA clearinghouse also looks through your transcripts to make sure that you have completed the prerequisites. There are plenty of opportunities for the school and student to compare notes. Although i know nothing specific, for the process to go down into the summer, I would think that there may have been some summer schooling involved that didn't pan out. The schools want to get everyting put to bed byApril/ May so that the player can attend orientations, order equipment and housing arrangements can be made. I am guessing that the player couldn't get his transcript to match the schools needed requirements. Maybe SCSU had different requirements for entry. All schools are not asking for the same things.

Thanks Goldie - that makes a lot of sense.

 

[RockTheWhit]

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I've said it before, but they should keep a scholarship available into the summer, as very good players end up looking for schools late in the process EVERY year. Worst case scenario is they miss out and can either accelerate a guy late in the game or give that money to a current player who's not on full and give it another go next year.

 

[SteveS.]

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A quick search of the internet shows that the youngster Mason Jobst continues to be covered by pay-to-read scouting sites:
http://www.thescoutingnews.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=29250&Itemid=54

Can you help fill us in from what you know of him (e.g., Are his immediate plans the USHL, USA hockey, high or prep school, etc; Does he eventually want to play Div I or go Major Junior; Are his academic skills up to NCAA standards)?

Also, how would a propect from the midwest get onto UNH's radar? Does he play in any of the summer tournaments in the Northeast? Do any of the UNH coaches have a connection to Indiana hockey?

CHC – To answer your questions: Right now Jobst has been tapped to play for the Indiana Jr. Ice it is the U18 AAA arm of the USHL Indiana Ice. He is entering his Junior year of HS here in Indianapolis, he should be fine from academics standpoint and wants to play Div 1. UNH has a presence here in the Midwest with the USHL and specifically the Indiana Ice since incoming UNH Freshman Agosta and Goumas played here last season. New Ice coach Charlie Skodt will probably develop the local Indiana players more than some of the coaches in the past since he is a local guy so that will help with additional exposure. Also Brad Lutch coaches for the Indiana Ice and Indiana Jr. Ice U18 team he knows Jobst very well and attended the U16 Developmental Tournament that Jobst excelled in.

The bottom line with this kid is he is money in generating offense, every kid that is on the ice with him wants to play on his line. The following quote from the scouting news says it all for me: “Mason Jobst has shown at the Hockey's Select 16 Player Development Camp that he was actually better than his sky-high hype.”

 

[C-H-C]

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He (Mason Jobst) is entering his Junior year of HS here in Indianapolis, he should be fine from academics standpoint and wants to play Div 1. UNH has a presence here in the Midwest with the USHL and specifically the Indiana Ice since incoming UNH Freshman Agosta and Goumas played here last season.
The bottom line with this kid is he is money in generating offense, every kid that is on the ice with him wants to play on his line. The following quote from the scouting news says it all for me: “Mason Jobst has shown at the Hockey's Select 16 Player Development Camp that he was actually better than his sky-high hype.”

Thanks Steve S. for the info. It sounds like this youngster is in a good situation for his development (e.g., coaches invested in him as a native of Indiana).

I wonder whether Jobst is one of the 30 prospects who received the slew of e-mails from Coach Borek during the 2007-08 season - the incident that lead to UNH being placed on probation by the NCAA. If I'm reading the details of the NCAA's decision correctly (http://www.seacoastonline.com/articles/20090724-SPORTS-307249858), the e-mails were sent out in the Fall of 07 and Spring of 08 to players who were high school freshmen or sophomores at the time. Given that Jobst was born on Feb. 7, 1994 and he is entering his junior year of high school this September, he would have been an 8th grader when the e-mails were sent. If all of this is correct, then Jobst was not one of the 30 prospects and UNH can recruit him without restriction.
It sure would be interesting to know who those 30 prospects are.