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(un-) Official Minnesota Vikings 2009-2010 season thread

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ajoyce02 said:
Believe me, I know most of the sports fans in this town are crazy and irrational.

But I thought that having a sure thing, 1st ballot Hall of Fame QB who has broken almost every meaningful passing record in the NFL would be enough to make the fans here happy.

And I guess it worked for 14 weeks.
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Well it is his fault...I mean it is all the picks he is throwi...oh wait!
 
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Handyman said:
Soooooo...the big deal is he used a phrase wrong? Gotcha.

Do you show this much concern when people say they "couldn't care less" out of context as well?
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Well, that is a pretty odd phrase...

I'm not trying to make too big a deal about the phrase itself, I'm just saying that from the transcript I read, I can draw one of two conclusions. He either doesn't know what that phrase meant and he was trying to say that he was just casually bringing up the subject with Favre; or he meant it literally, and it says something very strange and bizarre about who he is as a football coach (namely, that he arrives at his decisions by way of daydreaming).

I'm sure there are other ways to interpret his comments, but those are easily the two most logical to me.

So, if your two conclusions are (1) his head is in the clouds or (2) he walks on eggshells for Favre, then I'd say it is kind of a big deal. Kevin Seifert's follow up post takes the second route and says it better than I ever could:
Childress’ relationship with Favre is too close to "colleague" and too far from "coach-player."
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ExileOnDaytonStreet said:
So, if your two conclusions are (1) his head is in the clouds or (2) he walks on eggshells for Favre, then I'd say it is kind of a big deal. Kevin Seifert's follow up post takes the second route and says it better than I ever could:
Childress’ relationship with Favre is too close to "colleague" and too far from "coach-player."
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Do you think that relationship would eve any different on any team out there? BrettFarve's a 40yo QB who's always been a top 15 QB in the league, even during his down years. There's not a lot left to teach him once he learns the playbook and his receivers' tendencies.
 
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St. Clown said:
Do you think that relationship would eve any different on any team out there? BrettFarve's a 40yo QB who's always been a top 15 QB in the league, even during his down years. There's not a lot left to teach him once he learns the playbook and his receivers' tendencies.
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I would imagine that coaching at the professional level has far more to do with management than it does with teaching. If you're going to let Favre usurp that, you might as well just give him the clipboard. In my experience, you're better off with a coach who can be tough on Favre (Holmgren, McCarthy) than you are with a coach that can't control him (Sherman).
 
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Handyman said:
I love how much you post after a loss and yet are nowhere to be found after a win...its like clockwork really.
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As luck would have it this year the only two games I've gotten to see in their entirety are the two Sunday night games.

As for Brett Favre, I want nothing to do with TJack and my argument in here has been that Favre had nothing to do with either loss. Lack of a gameplan to deal with pressure is the issue. Not being able to run (pointed out by Dan Barrerio last night) the football is the issue. Best running back in the league and they can't get him going? Tennessee gets their guy moving.
 
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ajoyce02 said:
And we did for 14 weeks, until today when some people were calling for TJack to play and saying he should have been in against Carolina.
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The only reason to reduce Favre's playing time is to rest him for the playoffs. I don't think the team should start doing that until they've wrapped up the #2 seed (IF they can do that).
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
As luck would have it this year the only two games I've gotten to see in their entirety are the two Sunday night games.

As for Brett Favre, I want nothing to do with TJack and my argument in here has been that Favre had nothing to do with either loss. Lack of a gameplan to deal with pressure is the issue. Not being able to run (pointed out by Dan Barrerio last night) the football is the issue. Best running back in the league and they can't get him going? Tennessee gets their guy moving.
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Plus doesn't McKinnie have an ankle injury? Plus someone else on the line? I read one of those articles that Chilli was not happy that Favre told the media about those. That could partially explain how our O-line has become the Green Bay packers line of a earlier in the year.
 
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Handyman said:
edit: ajoyce, this town is friggin nuts. The vast majority are closer to being like Scooby than anywhere near rational. Remember half of them were saying AP should be benched earlier this year. They also alternate game to game whining that we dont run enough or we run too much.
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all the negativity in this town sucks!

Biddco said:
Plus doesn't McKinnie have an ankle injury? Plus someone else on the line? I read one of those articles that Chilli was not happy that Favre told the media about those. That could partially explain how our O-line has become the Green Bay packers line of a earlier in the year.
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Loadholt is playing with a shoulder injury. Hutchinson is hurt. I think Sullivan is shaken up as well. Yeah, start going with some two tight end sets. It's not like Dugan can't block.
 
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Sloe Gin said:
Loadholt is playing with a shoulder injury. Hutchinson is hurt. I think Sullivan is shaken up as well. Yeah, start going with some two tight end sets. It's not like Dugan can't block.
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Loadholt was who I was thinking of.

Sigh if we don't turn it around we will be one and done in the playoffs. Prove me wrong guys, prove me wrong...
 
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ExileOnDaytonStreet said:
I would imagine that coaching at the professional level has far more to do with management than it does with teaching. If you're going to let Favre usurp that, you might as well just give him the clipboard. In my experience, you're better off with a coach who can be tough on Favre (Holmgren, McCarthy) than you are with a coach that can't control him (Sherman).
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Look, Chilli says next to nothing at his press conferences and what he does say half of it you can't believe. He is like Andy Reid and Belichek they just say the bare minimum and would rather be punched in the face than talk to the media. There was a couple times things looked rather tense between Chilli and Bret but no matter what Chilli isnt going to talk about it so we will never know how tough he is being or if he is just letting Bret do what he wants. I doubt it is as cordial as it seems.

Anyone who seriously even jokes that Bret is the problem here needs to just go away.

It amazes me though that with as bad as the D has played on both Sunday Night games (and the D was bad the whole game against Carolina the Panthers just shot themselves in the foot a lot) that there is no criticism of Leslie Frazier. The guy gets all the praise in the world when the D plays great but when they look like the Gophers D no one dares rip him. It is weird.
 
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Handyman said:
It amazes me though that with as bad as the D has played on both Sunday Night games (and the D was bad the whole game against Carolina the Panthers just shot themselves in the foot a lot) that there is no criticism of Leslie Frazier. The guy gets all the praise in the world when the D plays great but when they look like the Gophers D no one dares rip him. It is weird.
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I agree. I mean, who lets Matt Moore throw a touchdown pass on 3rd and 26. It looks to my untrained eye that Frazier occasionally falls in love with the notion he has the best front 4 in football and can be a little late to recognize the need to bring some pressure from other places, especially against someone as inexperienced as Moore.
 
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Bakunin said:
The only reason to reduce Favre's playing time is to rest him for the playoffs. I don't think the team should start doing that until they've wrapped up the #2 seed (IF they can do that).
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Your logic and sound reasoning has no place in Minnesota sports. I hereby demand you cease and desist right away.
 
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Lord Favre will bring end up derailing the Vikings season just like he did in New York and even last year's Green Bay season. The guy just has to be in control. McCarthy got tough on him so he wanted out. Same thing will play out in Minnehaha the next two weeks, and somewhere Trader Ted will be chuckling to himself.
 
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Sir Nubs said:
Lord Favre will bring end up derailing the Vikings season just like he did in New York and even last year's Green Bay season. The guy just has to be in control. McCarthy got tough on him so he wanted out. Same thing will play out in Minnehaha the next two weeks, and somewhere Trader Ted will be chuckling to himself.
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Will this chuckling occur before or after the Packers season has ended in the first week of the playoffs while the Vikings are on bye?

Citing Ed Werder on anything Vikings related is like citing Paris Hilton on Quantum Physics.
 
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Dirty said:
Will this chuckling occur before or after the Packers season has ended in the first week of the playoffs while the Vikings are on bye?
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I wouldn't count on the Vikings getting a bye yet with the Eagles breathing down their neck, and Lord Favre's propensity to play in December and January with both hands around his neck (or his head coach's neck for that matter).
 
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Sir Nubs said:
I wouldn't count on the Vikings getting a bye yet with the Eagles breathing down their neck, and Lord Favre's propensity to play in December and January with both hands around his neck (or his head coach's neck for that matter).
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Maybe that would be for the better, and if the Vikes play the Packers in the first round then BrettFarve can tune up his game against that vaunted Packers defense, that Big Ben struggled mightily against last weekend.:rolleyes:
 
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