UMaine, 2011-2012 season thread, does anyone care anymore?

[carltonbarrett]

Re: UMaine, 2011-2012 season thread, does anyone care anymore?

How can TIMMAY and the AD sit there with an honest face and say that the team is talented and that they're excited, blah, blah, blah. There may be some talent on the team, but the problem is that most other teams have BETTER talent, MUCH better talent...

 

[rufus]

Re: UMaine, 2011-2012 season thread, does anyone care anymore?

Of course Abbott must support his coach, and say all the right things about expecting the team to improve, yada yada yada, but if he really expects that TIMMAY is gonna spark a turnaround of this team's record, when they have eight games remaining against BC, BU, UNH and Merrimack, I don't know what to say. There's at least six more losses right there. As I posted earlier, this team is gonna be lucky to get 8-9 wins the rest of the season.

I gotta assume Abbott knows this, and is just saying those things for the PR benefit. Even if he does believe that Whitehead ain't getting it done, he can't come out and say that publicly.

 

[Neegs]

Re: UMaine, 2011-2012 season thread, does anyone care anymore?

He also mentioned he has 3 years left.

Walrus, don't scare me like that. He said nearly 3 years left so that includes the balance of this year plus 2 more. When I first read your post I thought he somehow had an extra year we didn't previously know about.

 

[sandiegoblkbr]

Re: UMaine, 2011-2012 season thread, does anyone care anymore?

This program will continue to bleed fans and revenue. FACTS ARE FACTS WHITEHEAD.........SPIN THAT ONE, "COACH"!

 

[carltonbarrett]

Re: UMaine, 2011-2012 season thread, does anyone care anymore?

Looking at Maine's season statistics, it's pretty clear that they are seriously lacking in depth, with only 4 forwards having more than 6 points. You would normally hope that 2nd and 3rd line guys can pick up the slack next year with Flynn and Abbott gone, but just not sure you have many guys that are ever going to be major contributors.

 

[Potato in NH]

Re: UMaine, 2011-2012 season thread, does anyone care anymore?

Thanks for posting the interviews. Timmay is a complete d#ck. Because I don't support him, I don't support the team? Guess what Timmay, I supported Maine way before you came to town and will continue to support it once again once you are hopefully long gone. I hope those interviews stoke more fans to contacting him and Mr. Abbott.

I am not sure I will continue to pay lip service to Timmay by saying "I hear he is nice enough guy." A nice enough guy would at least recognize that he has not delivered over the past 4 years. Alligator skin, Timmay? Guess who has alligator skin? Alligators. That is what you are, a reptile who can bite off more than they can chew. You are in over your head and have created a problem you can not solve. Please step aside and at least let Maine hire a coach who can pretend to care about the proud history of the program and results on the ice.

 

[amherstblackbear]

Re: UMaine, 2011-2012 season thread, does anyone care anymore?

Hey, sorry to butt in here on your thread, but I keep reading about how Whitehead couldn't carry Walsh's dirty cafeteria tray. There's no doubt that Walsh is a legend, and his stature has probably grown each year since his unfortunately premature death.

Wouldn't you agree that Walsh was one-of-a-kind

I can't speak for others, but I really *don't* measure Whitehead against Walsh. I measure the program against what I believe is a reasonable standard of competitiveness in D1.

Is there a chance that, if Whitehead were replaced, that the replacement would have even less success? Absolutely.

But . . . and there's no polite way to put this . . . so freaking what? I'll take a chance on going from unacceptable to super-unacceptable. I don't really care about that difference.

 

[mainetwentytwelve]

Re: UMaine, 2011-2012 season thread, does anyone care anymore?

A nice article about Nyquist who (not surprisingly) is having a very solid year at Grand Rapids and is 2nd in rookie scoring in the AHL.
http://www.mlive.com/griffins/index.ssf/2011/12/griffins_gustav_nyquist_remain.html

 

[Ma#1ne Hky]

Re: UMaine, 2011-2012 season thread, does anyone care anymore?

I can't speak for others, but I really *don't* measure Whitehead against Walsh. I measure the program against what I believe is a reasonable standard of competitiveness in D1.

Is there a chance that, if Whitehead were replaced, that the replacement would have even less success? Absolutely.

But . . . and there's no polite way to put this . . . so freaking what? I'll take a chance on going from unacceptable to super-unacceptable. I don't really care about that difference.

A New Coach equals a tough task in hand,but like you say and others have also...we can live with Rebuilding and Hope...but staying the course with TW is suicide ala Ice Hockey at it's worst...time will tell...and that time will be after the season...I can't wait and also I am leary of what may or may NOT happen.......

 

[all bear]

Re: UMaine, 2011-2012 season thread, does anyone care anymore?

A New Coach equals a tough task in hand,but like you say and others have also...we can live with Rebuilding and Hope...but staying the course with TW is suicide ala Ice Hockey at it's worst...time will tell...and that time will be after the season...I can't wait and also I am leary of what may or may NOT happen.......

The thing is, a new coach would have full support of the greatest fans in college hockey. Whereas Whathead has no support left at all. Hes attempting to convince anyone who might listen that the unhappy fans out there are mad at the players, not at him. Total bull$hit.

Time to hit the road Whathead.

 

[UncleRay]

Re: UMaine, 2011-2012 season thread, does anyone care anymore?

You've got to be kidding me. Two good players doesn't mean the team is talented. It means those two players are talented. Merrimack had four guys put up 150+ pts for their careers on the 97-98 team. Doesn't mean it was a talented team. They even had a d-man play a lot of games in AHL. They finished 8th because they had no other talent. This Maine team is similar. A few good players doesn't make a talented team.

Initials DS? I work with him now, good guy (for a Merrimack guy).

 

[sandiegoblkbr]

Re: UMaine, 2011-2012 season thread, does anyone care anymore?

Thanks for posting the interviews. Timmay is a complete d#ck. Because I don't support him, I don't support the team? Guess what Timmay, I supported Maine way before you came to town and will continue to support it once again once you are hopefully long gone. I hope those interviews stoke more fans to contacting him and Mr. Abbott.

I am not sure I will continue to pay lip service to Timmay by saying "I hear he is nice enough guy." A nice enough guy would at least recognize that he has not delivered over the past 4 years. Alligator skin, Timmay? Guess who has alligator skin? Alligators. That is what you are, a reptile who can bite off more than they can chew. You are in over your head and have created a problem you can not solve. Please step aside and at least let Maine hire a coach who can pretend to care about the proud history of the program and results on the ice.

+1

Talk about flaming the fire........TIMMAY is not only a bad coach........but he's also not quite as smart as I thought he was.

 

[Fishman'81]

Re: UMaine, 2011-2012 season thread, does anyone care anymore?

I was one of those guys who was late to criticize TW, and I always said that he was a fine representative of UMaine... "A good guy." And he was.

That video interview was pretty disgusting, though - thanks Wally - and it has changed my mind about him forever.

Only the worst kind of coward would deflect his extremely obvious shortcomings onto the kids he himself recruited and coaches. To even suggest that we, as fans, should all clam-up because "families" are involved is beyond reprehensible. If he's so noble, why is he hiding behind his own players' mothers aprons, FCS..? That speech of his was truly revolting. To point a finger at the fans is utterly ridiculous; we only whine AFTER you lose again, right? (Nobody called me before the game looking for advice; pretty sure of that... So how is that on us?)

Tim, this is your program, these are your recruits, and nobody aside from yourself is responsible for the ongoing disaster that is Maine hockey... OK? Don't blame your failure on anyone aside from yourself. Get real.

Grow a set, and admit that you're just sticking around because it's a plum job. At least the most cynical of us could respect that, in one way or the other, if you were actually man enough to admit it.

 

[walrus]

Re: UMaine, 2011-2012 season thread, does anyone care anymore?

I can't speak for others, but I really *don't* measure Whitehead against Walsh. I measure the program against what I believe is a reasonable standard of competitiveness in D1..

We have a standard to measure against, its called Hockey East, its called Pairwise, its called the NCAA tourney. He isn't doing very well, is he?

 

[UncleRay]

Re: UMaine, 2011-2012 season thread, does anyone care anymore?

No. No he's not.

 

[BearNecessity]

Re: UMaine, 2011-2012 season thread, does anyone care anymore?

After all the gnashing of teeth and rending of clothng over what can only be seen as a poor start to the year, a few thoughts

Ghandi Whitehead is not going anywhere......and a while we may see some more flash and fire in response to the external pressure, he will be the same automaton behind the bench......the classic image is the little whiny smirk he had on his face when his best player got the hook last week on a phantom call.....

There is talent on the team, but it's not being allowed to reach potential by the lack of s system that takes advantage of their skills D could be physical, IF they were allowed to be an not playing on eggshells every time they stepped out there And how do you decide that Jake Rutt, a raw frosh, is a better point man on the PP than a guy like Heggerty......How do you decide that Pryor is the D you need against a physical team over O'Connor.....and let us not forget the great Mangene experiment, that at the end of the day, wasn't fair to the team or Matt....Forwards are not stellar after the top 4 -5 , but if you watched our forecheck and compared it with that of BU in the last debacle,....if you can skate and read the ice, you can be a real contibutor and wear the other guys down.....instead you have guys who seem to be happy to carousel around the ice for 45 and then get off....Goalies....Sully hasn't controlled a rebound in 3 years....and while I know he is working hard, last week he looked like a giant tortoise tyring to get off his back,,,,,at one point he was actually facing the net when the puck was in the slot.....Marty is a raw talent that needs full time help....Columbus saw something,,,,yet at UM, we are not getting the development that should be coming from a draft pick.....goalies do take time to mature....but they also need guidance...and remote control doesn't seem to be working. Corkum has to be allowed to be more than a gateopener...Kereluke...recruiting aint it, so not sure what he brings.......These are good, talented commited kids....they, and we as fans, deserve a coach that gets the 100% out of them...even if that 100% isn't what it was back in the day......and with his Mr Rodgers approach, Gahndi isn't getting it done....let's hope Santa brings him a set of grapes , along with a wake up call.....

 

['93'99??]

Re: UMaine, 2011-2012 season thread, does anyone care anymore?

Yea I'm afraid we really just need to resign ourselves that he's gonna be here for the rest of the year. I think its fine to continue to express dissatisfaction with his performance, but it should be done carefully and with respect. Also, the emphasis should be that the criticism has nothing to do with the players, who seem to be a bunch of descent kids. I mean, at least they're not grabbing the breasts of R.A.'s! There is a good chunk of the season left against alot of good teams. I'm not overly optomistic, but as a true fan, it's hard not to want success.

 

[Potato in NH]

Re: UMaine, 2011-2012 season thread, does anyone care anymore?

Yea I'm afraid we really just need to resign ourselves that he's gonna be here for the rest of the year. I think its fine to continue to express dissatisfaction with his performance, but it should be done carefully and with respect. Also, the emphasis should be that the criticism has nothing to do with the players, who seem to be a bunch of descent kids. I mean, at least they're not grabbing the breasts of R.A.'s! There is a good chunk of the season left against alot of good teams. I'm not overly optomistic, but as a true fan, it's hard not to want success.

You make good points.

I think anyone who posts here wants to see the program succeed. In my correspondence to Mr. Abbott, I did not reference the current players at all. Instead, i just asked if 4, and looking more and more like 5 years without an NCAA appearance was acceptable to him and the University system generally. If it is, then perhaps many of us are waisting our time and money supporting the program. I will gladly support a new coach. Notice, I said a new coach, not Shawn Walsh II. It is time for new leadership. I am not sure how anyone could objectively look at Maine Hockey and say it is headed in the right direction.

More subjectively, after that interview, it is hard to believe Timmay that is capable of anything but further alienating long time Maine Hockey supporters. You will all know if I win PowerBall between now and the Fenway game. If I do, the Green Monster will have a giant FIRE WHITEHEAD sign on it paid for by me. I doubt it will phase him, he has alligator skin. It will help me feel better though.

 

['93'99??]

Re: UMaine, 2011-2012 season thread, does anyone care anymore?

You make good points.

I think anyone who posts here wants to see the program succeed. In my correspondence to Mr. Abbott, I did not reference the current players at all. Instead, i just asked if 4, and looking more and more like 5 years without an NCAA appearance was acceptable to him and the University system generally. If it is, then perhaps many of us are waisting our time and money supporting the program. I will gladly support a new coach. Notice, I said a new coach, not Shawn Walsh II. It is time for new leadership. I am not sure how anyone could objectively look at Maine Hockey and say it is headed in the right direction.

More subjectively, after that interview, it is hard to believe Timmay that is capable of anything but further alienating long time Maine Hockey supporters. You will all know if I win PowerBall between now and the Fenway game. If I do, the Green Monster will have a giant FIRE WHITEHEAD sign on it paid for by me. I doubt it will phase him, he has alligator skin. It will help me feel better though.

Thats a very reasonable way to express dissatisfaction with TW.

Coaching hockey at the Div 1 level is not a right, its a priveledge which is performance based. Unless you are the Jewry's and Jacky's(who wouldn't be able to have 5 bad years in a row either), of the world, coaches have their run, then they move on. Others have already said it, but Abbott, despite what he sais publicly, does have a ticker going on TW's tenure as coach. Perhaps behind closed doors, this sentiment has already been expressed. I think the lack of ticket sales, e-mails, demonstrations and the like have all made the point. The remainder of the season is his last stand.

 

[BoSox3066]

Re: UMaine, 2011-2012 season thread, does anyone care anymore?

I was one of those guys who was late to criticize TW, and I always said that he was a fine representative of UMaine... "A good guy." And he was.

That video interview was pretty disgusting, though - thanks Wally - and it has changed my mind about him forever.

Only the worst kind of coward would deflect his extremely obvious shortcomings onto the kids he himself recruited and coaches. To even suggest that we, as fans, should all clam-up because "families" are involved is beyond reprehensible. If he's so noble, why is he hiding behind his own players' mothers aprons, FCS..? That speech of his was truly revolting. To point a finger at the fans is utterly ridiculous; we only whine AFTER you lose again, right? (Nobody called me before the game looking for advice; pretty sure of that... So how is that on us?)

Tim, this is your program, these are your recruits, and nobody aside from yourself is responsible for the ongoing disaster that is Maine hockey... OK? Don't blame your failure on anyone aside from yourself. Get real.

Grow a set, and admit that you're just sticking around because it's a plum job. At least the most cynical of us could respect that, in one way or the other, if you were actually man enough to admit it.

+1. Polar opposite of Mike Gundy at Oklahoma State and his leave my kids alone, come after me because I'm a man, I'm a leader and the buck stops with me. A leader, ie Bill Belichick for example, says its all on me (regardless of if its true BTW) and takes it on himself, making himself the protection between the so-called storm outside and his boys. Whitehead does the opposite. It's really evidence that the lack of accountability I've perceived the last several seasons starts at the top.

And evidence that he really is losing control.