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UMaine, 2011-2012 season thread, does anyone care anymore?
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sandiegoblkbr
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Re: UMaine, 2011-2012 season thread, does anyone care anymore?
No accountability........he's acting more and more like Blodgett every day! Abbott is watching.
No accountability........he's acting more and more like Blodgett every day! Abbott is watching.
Re: UMaine, 2011-2012 season thread, does anyone care anymore?
"they are trying to shoot down our program".
does he not realize that nobody in the history of the world has done a better job of shooting down the program that he he, himself?
amazing inability to see what is going on
"they are trying to shoot down our program".
does he not realize that nobody in the history of the world has done a better job of shooting down the program that he he, himself?
amazing inability to see what is going on
rufus
rock and roller
Re: UMaine, 2011-2012 season thread, does anyone care anymore?
You know, I think it's a shame that despite ten years as the head coach, Whitehead can't develop a defense or a goaltender that can stop the puck. But that's life, and I'm just gonna have to forge on watching this dismal display until Whitehead is fired.
You know, I think it's a shame that despite ten years as the head coach, Whitehead can't develop a defense or a goaltender that can stop the puck. But that's life, and I'm just gonna have to forge on watching this dismal display until Whitehead is fired.
Bleedblue44
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Bottem line is Whitehead has no more tricks up his sleeve.i believe has coached this team to the best of his ability and he has nothing more to give. His tactics are not working for the team or it's fans anymore. He had his success but it's just over. Think Francona. It is time to change it up.
sandiegoblkbr
Banned
Re: UMaine, 2011-2012 season thread, does anyone care anymore?
All you had to see was that final vs. Minnesota and later that final vs. Denver to know how this sad story would eventually end up.
Whitehead is delusional if he thinks that the fans have destroyed this program......I mean seriously??? The guy is out of his mind.
All you had to see was that final vs. Minnesota and later that final vs. Denver to know how this sad story would eventually end up.
Whitehead is delusional if he thinks that the fans have destroyed this program......I mean seriously??? The guy is out of his mind.
Re: UMaine, 2011-2012 season thread, does anyone care anymore?
Wouldn't you agree that Walsh was one-of-a-kind, or at least belonged to a very small group of singularly successful coaches? Then he shouldn't be your benchmark to measure Whitehead against. It's not realistic -- he's no Shawn Walsh, and Walsh isn't coming back in any event. Perhaps you (meaning Maine fans) should instead look to the living and come up with a list of D1 coaches (or other personnel) who would compare favorably to Whitehead and might be available to succeed him. (And don't provide the facile answer of "anybody else would be an improvement!" --if you're indeed hoping for a substantive change, then it will take more than blindly fingering a name in a phone book.)
Hey, sorry to butt in here on your thread, but I keep reading about how Whitehead couldn't carry Walsh's dirty cafeteria tray. There's no doubt that Walsh is a legend, and his stature has probably grown each year since his unfortunately premature death.
Wouldn't you agree that Walsh was one-of-a-kind, or at least belonged to a very small group of singularly successful coaches? Then he shouldn't be your benchmark to measure Whitehead against. It's not realistic -- he's no Shawn Walsh, and Walsh isn't coming back in any event. Perhaps you (meaning Maine fans) should instead look to the living and come up with a list of D1 coaches (or other personnel) who would compare favorably to Whitehead and might be available to succeed him. (And don't provide the facile answer of "anybody else would be an improvement!" --if you're indeed hoping for a substantive change, then it will take more than blindly fingering a name in a phone book.)
tylerzx2002
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Re: UMaine, 2011-2012 season thread, does anyone care anymore?
The likeliest scenario would probably see Corkum take over with intern status.
I imagine a full coaching search would be done in the offseason, with Dubuque head coach Jim Montgomery as one candidate.
I think most people would be fine going from Whitehead to Corkum at the very least.
The likeliest scenario would probably see Corkum take over with intern status.
I imagine a full coaching search would be done in the offseason, with Dubuque head coach Jim Montgomery as one candidate.
I think most people would be fine going from Whitehead to Corkum at the very least.
MEbear
Registered User
Re: UMaine, 2011-2012 season thread, does anyone care anymore?
That's his perspective because to him, HE is Maine hockey so an attack on him is the same as an attack on Maine hockey. He hasn't been here as long as many of us who were avid Maine hockey supporters long before he ever set foot in the Alfond, and will still be right here long after he's gone. He doesn't understand that a passion for Maine hockey goes WAY beyond liking or not liking Tim Whitehead, and in fact has very little to do with Tim Whitehead. He's undoubtedly a little delusional and in denial and will be right up to the day when he's packed up and headed south on I-95 wondering what happened. I wish him the best as a person but he needs to be replaced before he permanently destroys our ONE sports program that has any chance of competing at the top levels nationally. I know it's not what he means to do or wants to do, but to any knowledgeable, long term supporter of UMaine and Maine hockey, that's exactly what he's doing and will continue to do as long as he's allowed to have influence over OUR hockey program.
Re: UMaine, 2011-2012 season thread, does anyone care anymore?
I'm not one of the guys who wants Tims head on a platter. For what little its worth, He seems a descent sort. I can remember feeling horrible for him when tragedy struck his wife's family on their way to the last Frozen 4, but I feel horrible for the tragedy that has ocurred since. It's really quite sad, and it's written all over his face and in his eyes in that video and behind the bench. He's most certainly in denial and dilusional. "We're just gonna keep doin what we do"! That pretty much sums him up doesn't it? He just doesn't get it, because if he did, he might actually try to do something different. If for once he could just say - I am deeply concerned for some of the downward slide this program has endured in recent years - Some aknowledgement of responsibility. It ain't ever gonna change, and neither will the losing, till he's gone.
I'm not one of the guys who wants Tims head on a platter. For what little its worth, He seems a descent sort. I can remember feeling horrible for him when tragedy struck his wife's family on their way to the last Frozen 4, but I feel horrible for the tragedy that has ocurred since. It's really quite sad, and it's written all over his face and in his eyes in that video and behind the bench. He's most certainly in denial and dilusional. "We're just gonna keep doin what we do"! That pretty much sums him up doesn't it? He just doesn't get it, because if he did, he might actually try to do something different. If for once he could just say - I am deeply concerned for some of the downward slide this program has endured in recent years - Some aknowledgement of responsibility. It ain't ever gonna change, and neither will the losing, till he's gone.
Fishman'81
Black Bear since D-2
Re: UMaine, 2011-2012 season thread, does anyone care anymore?
He just hasn't gotten it, and if he hasn't yet, he never will... Or perhaps he's just playing politics in order to hang on the relatively lucrative job he has for the next couple of years, and Black Bear tradition be ****ed.
(In either case, he can't possibly be clueless enough to think that he'll be coaching at Maine beyond the tenure of his existing contract, right???)
Tell ya what: he would be worthy of respect if he simply admitted that he needed some professional (coaching) help to keep Maine on the map, and was actually seeking it, but that's not the tack he chooses to take. He seems to have not learned a thing.
On the contrary, he keeps insisting that the program is merely a tweak or two away from respectability in real-time, when in fact he dropped it in the toilet some years ago. He's like the king in that children's story "The Emperors New Clothes", and we all have seen that act from useless middle-management a million times.
It's all about justifying his salary right now, and nothing more.
He just hasn't gotten it, and if he hasn't yet, he never will... Or perhaps he's just playing politics in order to hang on the relatively lucrative job he has for the next couple of years, and Black Bear tradition be ****ed.
(In either case, he can't possibly be clueless enough to think that he'll be coaching at Maine beyond the tenure of his existing contract, right???)
Tell ya what: he would be worthy of respect if he simply admitted that he needed some professional (coaching) help to keep Maine on the map, and was actually seeking it, but that's not the tack he chooses to take. He seems to have not learned a thing.
On the contrary, he keeps insisting that the program is merely a tweak or two away from respectability in real-time, when in fact he dropped it in the toilet some years ago. He's like the king in that children's story "The Emperors New Clothes", and we all have seen that act from useless middle-management a million times.
It's all about justifying his salary right now, and nothing more.
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Ma#1ne Hky
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Re: UMaine, 2011-2012 season thread, does anyone care anymore?
The Clock is ticking down and he (TW) knows it...just watch the WABI Newscast and he is a man beaten...looks tired and hopeless...sadly he won't change and you know what it's better he doesn't and that they dismiss him after the season and do a Coaching Search...he's run his course at UMaine. There's plenty of choices out there: Montgomery/Corkum/Capuano/Perron and others from around Div.1 Coaching ranks...and don't fool yourself there are plenty that have there eye on this job...some may deem it hopeless but the right person in charge can make a quick turn-around,yes some bumps in the road but not a impossible program/team to turn-around in a short period of tme. Rebuilding may sound like a dirty word but all or most of the fans can live with it as it would be FINALLY some HOPE at the end of this miserable run of late...like the last 5-6 years. Recruiting/Goaltending and a RETURN to gritty up tempo hockey...HOPEFULLY.
The Clock is ticking down and he (TW) knows it...just watch the WABI Newscast and he is a man beaten...looks tired and hopeless...sadly he won't change and you know what it's better he doesn't and that they dismiss him after the season and do a Coaching Search...he's run his course at UMaine. There's plenty of choices out there: Montgomery/Corkum/Capuano/Perron and others from around Div.1 Coaching ranks...and don't fool yourself there are plenty that have there eye on this job...some may deem it hopeless but the right person in charge can make a quick turn-around,yes some bumps in the road but not a impossible program/team to turn-around in a short period of tme. Rebuilding may sound like a dirty word but all or most of the fans can live with it as it would be FINALLY some HOPE at the end of this miserable run of late...like the last 5-6 years. Recruiting/Goaltending and a RETURN to gritty up tempo hockey...HOPEFULLY.
rufus
rock and roller
Re: UMaine, 2011-2012 season thread, does anyone care anymore?
Well gee, you got a guy right on the Maine bench who would be an improvement, and I'm not talking about Danny-boy. A guy that's actually won a championship, and recently too.
Sure, Whitehead isn't a Walsh, but at this point, he's not even a Nate Leamon or Mark Dennehy. I couldn't really name a D-1 head coach that would want to take this program over, but there's got to be a ton of up and coming assistants that no one really knows who would be up to the task. That's where Leamon and Dennehy came from. There's Jim Montgomery.
Would take someone with far more hockey experience than I have to cull that group and make the decision. But whoever heard of Shawn Walsh outside of Michigan St. before Maine hired him way back in 1983?
Well gee, you got a guy right on the Maine bench who would be an improvement, and I'm not talking about Danny-boy. A guy that's actually won a championship, and recently too.
Sure, Whitehead isn't a Walsh, but at this point, he's not even a Nate Leamon or Mark Dennehy. I couldn't really name a D-1 head coach that would want to take this program over, but there's got to be a ton of up and coming assistants that no one really knows who would be up to the task. That's where Leamon and Dennehy came from. There's Jim Montgomery.
Would take someone with far more hockey experience than I have to cull that group and make the decision. But whoever heard of Shawn Walsh outside of Michigan St. before Maine hired him way back in 1983?
rufus
rock and roller
Re: UMaine, 2011-2012 season thread, does anyone care anymore?
Exactly right. If he truly understood that he needed to take significant steps to improve this program, he would have s-canned his internet goalie coach and replaced him with someone who could actually improve his goaltenders. And he would have dumped danny and gotten someone who could actually coach defensemen and make them better, develop a solid defensive system.
But he hasn't, because as you say, he sincerely believes that just a tweak or two here, a player or two there, and any problems with this team are magically cured. But he's been tweaking those goalies and defense for four years now, and they're not getting better, keep making the same mistakes over and over again. And TIMMAY can't seem to stop that from happening.
Exactly right. If he truly understood that he needed to take significant steps to improve this program, he would have s-canned his internet goalie coach and replaced him with someone who could actually improve his goaltenders. And he would have dumped danny and gotten someone who could actually coach defensemen and make them better, develop a solid defensive system.
But he hasn't, because as you say, he sincerely believes that just a tweak or two here, a player or two there, and any problems with this team are magically cured. But he's been tweaking those goalies and defense for four years now, and they're not getting better, keep making the same mistakes over and over again. And TIMMAY can't seem to stop that from happening.
walrus
Wind up workin' in a gas station
Re: UMaine, 2011-2012 season thread, does anyone care anymore?
Channel 7 did a longer interview with both Tim and Steve. Tim pretty much said the same thing, its hurting the team, he gets calls, emails and direct encounters with people asking him to resign. Its hard on the players and their families yada yada yada. Steve said they have the nucleus to have a good season, they aren't happy with their start but fans need to band together to support the team. He also said that Tim has a multi year contract and that no discussion has been had about Tims tenure at UMaine. He also mentioned he has 3 years left.
Channel 7 did a longer interview with both Tim and Steve. Tim pretty much said the same thing, its hurting the team, he gets calls, emails and direct encounters with people asking him to resign. Its hard on the players and their families yada yada yada. Steve said they have the nucleus to have a good season, they aren't happy with their start but fans need to band together to support the team. He also said that Tim has a multi year contract and that no discussion has been had about Tims tenure at UMaine. He also mentioned he has 3 years left.
walrus
Wind up workin' in a gas station
Re: UMaine, 2011-2012 season thread, does anyone care anymore?
I'm on record as saying Sue Tyler blew it in 02 by not doing a nat'l search, just awarding it to him was an emotional decision not a sound one based on UMaines own policy. If that would have been done and Tim was the best choice alot of the earlier whining(about Tim) would have been stopped as he was the best choice at the time.
In reality Tim is here to stay so we all might as well get over it. Stop going, stop caring, stop whining as Steve has made it clear Tim is the coach.
Not sure who wants his head on a platter, I guess its personal to him as its his lively hood but its really about Maine hockey and the continued downfall of the program. Anything said on here is about Tim the coach not Tim the person but I guess they are probably intertwined.
I'm on record as saying Sue Tyler blew it in 02 by not doing a nat'l search, just awarding it to him was an emotional decision not a sound one based on UMaines own policy. If that would have been done and Tim was the best choice alot of the earlier whining(about Tim) would have been stopped as he was the best choice at the time.
In reality Tim is here to stay so we all might as well get over it. Stop going, stop caring, stop whining as Steve has made it clear Tim is the coach.
walrus
Wind up workin' in a gas station
Re: UMaine, 2011-2012 season thread, does anyone care anymore?
Here is the Channel 7 video
http://titancast.titantv.com/p/wvii/s/ABC-7-Sports/1ACB2V85.aspx
Here is the Channel 7 video
http://titancast.titantv.com/p/wvii/s/ABC-7-Sports/1ACB2V85.aspx
Re: UMaine, 2011-2012 season thread, does anyone care anymore?
As long as Tim is the current coach at this moment in time, Steve absolutely has to give him his support. The season is still early enough so that there is at least the possibility of a turn-around. It's one of those things that at some point will reach a breaking point and then Steve could jump ship in a hurry. He just doesn't see it as at that point right now. It is unfortunate that the players have to take collateral damage even tho the volleys are aimed at T.W. I'm afraid that he will be our coach for at least the remainder of the season.
As long as Tim is the current coach at this moment in time, Steve absolutely has to give him his support. The season is still early enough so that there is at least the possibility of a turn-around. It's one of those things that at some point will reach a breaking point and then Steve could jump ship in a hurry. He just doesn't see it as at that point right now. It is unfortunate that the players have to take collateral damage even tho the volleys are aimed at T.W. I'm afraid that he will be our coach for at least the remainder of the season.
walrus
Wind up workin' in a gas station
Re: UMaine, 2011-2012 season thread, does anyone care anymore?
, the support for the team is still there. I can't will the team to play better nor can I will the staff to coach better. Tim can avoid the issue on camera but the issue remains.
He will be the coach until the end of the season and likely longer than that. Both and my boy lost our voices Saturday cheering for the team and screaming at Shea
, the support for the team is still there. I can't will the team to play better nor can I will the staff to coach better. Tim can avoid the issue on camera but the issue remains.GoBlackBears
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Re: UMaine, 2011-2012 season thread, does anyone care anymore?
Timmay will blame the protesters for each loss now.
Timmay will blame the protesters for each loss now.
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