UAH Hockey 2011-12: Will Someone Break the Conference Logjam? Thanks.

[Shirtless Guy]

Re: UAH Hockey 2011-12: Will Someone Break the Conference Logjam? Thanks.

I think the WCHA is more likely than AH, but I think we may well be looking at a situation where each thinks it's the other's job to "save" us. My take comes down to what I said in 2009: if we're offering a travel subsidy, what's your problem?

GFM

I couldn't agree more, if you guys are willing to offset the difference between flying to huntsville and a 4 hour bus trip (or something similar, just for discussion), and you can guarantee Friday night, Saturday night series at Von Braun, there really shouldn't be any issues. I think I speak for all Michigan Tech fans in saying we want you in.

 

[gfmorris]

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I couldn't agree more, if you guys are willing to offset the difference between flying to huntsville and a 4 hour bus trip (or something similar, just for discussion), and you can guarantee Friday night, Saturday night series at Von Braun, there really shouldn't be any issues. I think I speak for all Michigan Tech fans in saying we want you in.

Then y'all should talk to your AD.

GFM

 

[Shirtless Guy]

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Then y'all should talk to your AD.

GFM

I don't think Michigan Tech will be the problem for you guys getting in...

 

[burgie12]

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Calling all UAH fans!

Does anyone know where I can find the game-by-game results for the Chargers for their tenure as a D-I team?

I'm doing research for a D-II Play-up Belt (Championship Belts are awesome and you should read up on them if you're not familiar.) and UAH is one of the schools where I couldn't find that information. uahchargers.com had a neat history post, but didn't provide any real information.

A link would be appreciated or you could send me an email at [username] (shift-2) gmail dot com. Thank you!

PS I'm very glad that I got the chance to go down to Alabama when RPI played there over New Year's a couple seasons ago. I wish the Chargers luck in getting into the WCHA (or AHA). I really hope that you guys stick around.

 

[UAHStatman]

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Calling all UAH fans!

Does anyone know where I can find the game-by-game results for the Chargers for their tenure as a D-I team?

I'm doing research for a D-II Play-up Belt (Championship Belts are awesome and you should read up on them if you're not familiar.) and UAH is one of the schools where I couldn't find that information. uahchargers.com had a neat history post, but didn't provide any real information.

A link would be appreciated or you could send me an email at [username] (shift-2) gmail dot com. Thank you!

PS I'm very glad that I got the chance to go down to Alabama when RPI played there over New Year's a couple seasons ago. I wish the Chargers luck in getting into the WCHA (or AHA). I really hope that you guys stick around.

UAHChargers.com is still working on getting all their record books on the site (they went through a redesign mid-season). For now, Collegehockeystats.net and USCHO.com both have game-by-game results going back to 1999-2000, UAH's first year in their second stint as a D-I:

http://collegehockeystats.net/9900/schedules/alhm
http://collegehockeystats.net/0001/schedules/alhm
http://collegehockeystats.net/0102/schedules/alhm
... and so on.

Do you need results from UAH's first stint in D-I (1987-92)? I have those in print form, not digital. If I can handily send those to you, I will.

 

[burgie12]

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UAHChargers.com is still working on getting all their record books on the site (they went through a redesign mid-season). For now, Collegehockeystats.net and USCHO.com both have game-by-game results going back to 1999-2000, UAH's first year in their second stint as a D-I:

http://collegehockeystats.net/9900/schedules/alhm
http://collegehockeystats.net/0001/schedules/alhm
http://collegehockeystats.net/0102/schedules/alhm
... and so on.

Do you need results from UAH's first stint in D-I (1987-92)? I have those in print form, not digital. If I can handily send those to you, I will.

The 87-92 stuff is exactly what I'm missing. If you could scan and send by email or if you want to copy and send them by mail, we can exchange emails and I can make sure that you have my contact information.

 

[Jim]

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I think the WCHA is more likely than AH, but I think we may well be looking at a situation where each thinks it's the other's job to "save" us. My take comes down to what I said in 2009: if we're offering a travel subsidy, what's your problem?

GFM

I think there are a couple of issues with AHA. You might have hit on one point...who's job is it to save UAH? I suspect that the Atlantic folks feel to some extent they have already stepped in and done their "saving" by taking Robert Morris, and Niagara. Now both of those "fit" reasonably well into the AHA footprint so it wasn't a big stretch, but they do stretch the league none the less and require additonal road trips.The addition of UAH now adds an annual "long" trip rather than the every other year trip to Air force most schools have and it means for playoff purposes, the chances of a relatively long trip increased as well. But further, neither of the new additons really wants to be a limited scholarship program, which gives AIC, Bentley, Holy Cross et al some heartburn. In fact, given its history Niagara probalby sees its AHA membership as barely tolerable. In one sense it is understandable, but they had no other options. I think there is some concern that adding UAH would not only add direct costs even with a travel subsidy of some sort, but it also adds another opponent of the cost containment model, something that is unacceptable to a slight majority of the current membership. They don't really want to replace a pro-containment member UCONN with an anti-containment UAH. Beyond that, though, maybe the biggest issue is I get a sense that AHA programs see themselves as barely staying above water now. The question they are asking is why shouldn't someone else, someone with significantly more resources, be the one who comes in to save the day this time particularly when they did it last time.

 

[aparch]

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If the AHA schools that are upset with the scholarship limits were really that upset with them, they would have jumped to the wide open CCHA when they had the chance.

For three months following the NCHC announcement, the Leagues were split as follows:
NCHC: NoDak, DU, CC, UNO, tUMD, Miami
WCHA: UAA, MSU-M, BSU, SCSU, MTU, NMU
CCHA: UAF, LSSU, FSU, BGSU, WMU (ND announced they were leaving, just not where)
Everyone else: No changes.

Then, in July, the CCHA members met with four AHA schools:
Canisius College, Mercyhurst College, Niagara University and Robert Morris University

If those four schools were serious about the scholarship limits, they would have jumped over knowing that of the remaining schools, UAF pays for travel and they would have at least BGSU and FSU, meaning they wouldn't be in a CHA situation. But, it would be close, as they could have as few as six teams, as many as nine.

But, the AHA schools said no. Did they feel the New CCHA would just be CHA 2.0?


And, why should the AHA balk at adding UAH? From everything I've been told regarding UAH and the CCHA/WCHA/NewWCHA, UAH will pay for travel. Is that a bigger problem for AHA than the WCHA?

 

[Jim]

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I don't think that Canisius is anti-limits. People keep saying they want to add scholarships but I don't believe it. Historically they weren't in favor and while I don't know their current situation, for a while they were not even fully funding the 12...they were more like 6-7. that could have changed but I don't think they favor 18. So pretty much the CCHA was trying to add some programs that didn't want to buy completely into its model. As far as Mercyhurst goes, I know their coach favors the increase but I'm not convinced that their athletic adminsitration is fully on board with that. As far as Niagara and RMU go, I'm not sure that they would view Alaska, and trips to Michigan, Ohio and Minnesota as preferable to bus rides to Buffalo, Erie and Rochester. So in that sense, they might well have viewed it as CHA 2.0, and having gone down that road once, didn't want to risk it again.

 

[schiegs]

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but it also adds another opponent of the cost containment model, something that is unacceptable to a slight majority of the current membership. They don't really want to replace a pro-containment member UCONN with an anti-containment UAH.

I think this point is more of an issue than travel costs or subsidies. Hence Navy would be a much more desireable addition to said slight majority.

 

[Jim]

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I think this point is more of an issue than travel costs or subsidies. Hence Navy would be a much more desireable addition to said slight majority.

Shiegs, I say slight majority, but in truth I'm not sure it is all that slight. Obviously Bentley and AIC, and I would guess Holy Cross, RIT (why give your opponents extra ammo?) Army and Air Force (both get what happens when they are in a full scholly league) Canisius (I don't buy they are in favor of a full scholarship plan) and Sacred Heart who I think would go for some expansion but not a full 18. Still, I think the possibility that the cost containment model will be threatened by the addition of UAH is one stumbling block. All you need is one of the middle of the roaders, SHU, Canisius to switch, and replace UCOnn's no vote with UAH's yes and AIC and Bentley are suddenly endangered species in their own league.

 

[fangers]

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Shiegs, I say slight majority, but in truth I'm not sure it is all that slight. Obviously Bentley and AIC, and I would guess Holy Cross, RIT (why give your opponents extra ammo?) Army and Air Force (both get what happens when they are in a full scholly league) Canisius (I don't buy they are in favor of a full scholarship plan) and Sacred Heart who I think would go for some expansion but not a full 18. Still, I think the possibility that the cost containment model will be threatened by the addition of UAH is one stumbling block. All you need is one of the middle of the roaders, SHU, Canisius to switch, and replace UCOnn's no vote with UAH's yes and AIC and Bentley are suddenly endangered species in their own league.

Why are you automatically assuming that UAH would be anti-cost containment? The program was cut becuase it was too expensive, and while it appears they would prefer the WCHA, I don't think they would argue too much if they got in the AHA and could cut expenses.

 

[Jim]

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fangers,
I htink there is a very strong split among AHA members on this issue. The eastern members, in particular, are pretty firmly committed to the cost containment model, while the refugees from the CHA are less so. there might be a few fence-sitters on each side. It has been a real issue almost since the first season of the MAAC, AHA's predecessor. The schools that hold to the original concept of the league, basically a low cost "bus league" with few scholarships (Originally there was a push for none. they settled on 8 as I recall then 11 now 12). I think there is a serious concern that UAH would side with the other side that is less committed to cost containment, but there really isn't any way to get them on the record for that, and certainly no way to hold them to it. Frankly, if they are proivding a travel subsidy, I could imagine them actually being supportive of keeping other costs down through scholarship limits. Problem is that you just don't know.

 

[kingdobbs]

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Why are you automatically assuming that UAH would be anti-cost containment? The program was cut becuase it was too expensive, and while it appears they would prefer the WCHA, I don't think they would argue too much if they got in the AHA and could cut expenses.

"Cost-containment" has become something of a four-letter word around these parts because it's been conflated with the idea of "lack of commitment".

In fairness, the rather rotten teams the MAAC membership was putting into national schedules were a big part of why this conflation happened; because it was a 'hardcoded' philosophy of the MAAC and its successor, the idea itself became tainted by the results.

 

[UAHStatman]

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Why are you automatically assuming that UAH would be anti-cost containment? The program was cut becuase it was too expensive, and while it appears they would prefer the WCHA, I don't think they would argue too much if they got in the AHA and could cut expenses.

I wonder if UAH is considering re-focusing efforts toward the AHA now that UConn's future move is official.

 

[Jim]

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"Cost-containment" has become something of a four-letter word around these parts because it's been conflated with the idea of "lack of commitment".

In fairness, the rather rotten teams the MAAC membership was putting into national schedules were a big part of why this conflation happened; because it was a 'hardcoded' philosophy of the MAAC and its successor, the idea itself became tainted by the results.

kingdobbs,
I think to a degree you're right, but that was a somewhat foolish way of looking at it. Nobody expects Penn State to win the Big 10 in it s first season...indeed most expect it to founder for a fair number of seasons before it becomes a real contender. With the MAAC, and later the AHA, it was as much a case of 10 +- teams all moving up en masse. The odds of any of them being competitive on the national scene was pretty small indeed. Over a period of 10 years or so, the teams have become more or less competitive...no BC or BU among them to be sure, but neither do they regularly lose 8-0 or 9-1 to Hockey East or ECAC opponents either. But that was never the goal anyway. In the same sense that BU's basketball team has little or no expectaiton of beating a UCONN or a Duke, the original MAAC and now AHA members want to play the sport, but aren't seeking to play at the highest levels. That approach is fairly common in college athletics. It was an issue in part because it was new to college hockey, which was a niche sport, and a somewhat isolated one at that. The reality, though, is that even if they had wanted to play at the highest level, in 1997 or there abouts, 10 teams would have struggled. People get it that an individual program upgrading will likely struggle, as Union did and as Penn State probably will and even as UConn likely will in Hockey East. they struggled to get their heads around the idea of a whole conference and blamed the cost containment idea rather than the fact that a bunch of D-3 teams had just moved up to D-1.

 

[tnlong]

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Lake Suprior State and Northeastern are verified. It'd be great if all of these were home-and-home contracts.

October 12, 13 - v's Minnesota State Mankato
October 19, 20 - at St. Cloud State
October 26 - at Bentley
October 27 - at AIC
November 2, 3 - at St. Lawrence
November 10, 11 - at Northeastern
November 16, 17 - at Lake Superior
November 23, 24 - at Nebraska Omaha
December 7, 8 - v's Finlandia (D3)
December 13, 14 - at Wisconsin
December 29, 30 - at Mariucci Classic (Minnesota, Boston College, Air Force)
January 4, 5 - v's Adrian College (D3)
February 8, 9 - at Penn State
March 1, 2 - at Minnesota Duluth

 

[fangers]

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Lake Suprior State and Northeastern are verified. It'd be great if all of these were home-and-home contracts.

October 12, 13 - v's Minnesota State Mankato
October 19, 20 - at St. Cloud State
October 26 - at Bentley
October 27 - at AIC
November 2, 3 - at St. Lawrence
November 10, 11 - at Northeastern
November 16, 17 - at Lake Superior
November 23, 24 - at Nebraska Omaha
December 7, 8 - v's Finlandia (D3)
December 13, 14 - at Wisconsin
December 29, 30 - at Mariucci Classic (Minnesota, Boston College, Air Force)
January 4, 5 - v's Adrian College (D3)
February 8, 9 - at Penn State
March 1, 2 - at Minnesota Duluth

Appreciate all the schools stepping up to schedule us, especially those who did so after Dr A brought the program back. But that's a lot of "at"s

 

[tnlong]

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Has UAH petitioned the NCAA for AL to be added to the AK/HI extra games exception in hockey? If not, why not?

 

[irishfan85]

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It's a shame Penn State didn't agree to play at UAH, as well. I don't think PSU has hit their 34 games allowed either, so it would have worked.