UAH Hockey 2011-12: Will Someone Break the Conference Logjam? Thanks.

[FlagDUDE08]

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ok, I believe MTU actually did you the inclement weather exception yesterday...I mean class was canceled at the school by 3pm yesterday...and snownami Tubby was a big problem throughout Minnesota/Wisconsin/UP on tuesday/wednesday.

If classes were cancelled, I'd say that's a concrete reason to utilize the exception.

 

[gfmorris]

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That's OK. I'm not really curious about specific teams or home dates right now. I just wondering how difficult the process has been.

I know that they've gotten some games back, and there'll be more games available at the coaches' meetings. The issues are all the same: no one wants to play us past the first weekend or two of February, the home/away disparity, etc. The VBC has promised to be more forthcoming with dates, and I think that this is a perfect opportunity to do so, given that Lou is having to put this schedule together in a few months rather than over a few years. I'm sure we'll get the same consideration from coaches wanting to get us games, but I fear that this will be a <30 game season.

GFM

 

[davyd83]

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Can you explain to me how this 48 hour rule works? It seems like there must be some flexibility because Michigan Tech plays at 9pm Eastern on Friday in Colorado Springs and yet somehow, the Huskies drove down to Minneapolis, practiced at Mariucci Arena yesterday afternoon and flew from MSP to Denver this afternoon...

Well explained by the above posts. It must also be noted that not all schools follow the rule religiously. It depends upon how stringent their compliance personnel are.

 

[Shirtless Guy]

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Well explained by the above posts. It must also be noted that not all schools follow the rule religiously. It depends upon how stringent their compliance personnel are.

Im guessing the NCAA wouldn't exactly consider that a major violation so breaking that rule for one trip to Huntsville doesn't seem like a big deal to me

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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Im guessing the NCAA wouldn't exactly consider that a major violation so breaking that rule for one trip to Huntsville doesn't seem like a big deal to me

The biggest consideration is whether or not the players are missing classes. If all of the traveling players have a free day, you should be alright. If any of them have classes, all bets are off on trying to get around the 48 hour rule.

 

[Flashy Man]

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Hopefully everyone is safe in Huntsville, just heard a tornado touched down nearby.

 

[oldish husky]

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Again - does NMU want to play D-I hockey or pinch pennies and drop the sport? I understand that college budgets have taken a massive hit over the last few years, but the reality of playing D-I athletics demands that the money to play at a realistic level is maintained. What does that mean in this argument? NMU (and Tech and FSU) will have to fly to Alaska, UAA and likely UAH if they are added to the conference. As Shirtless points out, there is a way to "only" double NMU's flight travel budget most years (in conference anyway) and occasionally triple it **. Is it impossible to make up that difference - especially if UAH does kick in a travel subsidy *** ? There is your question. If the answer is "no," than maybe NMU should look at joining whatever conference Finlandia is in and bus to every game.

i don't think that anyone here wants to see UAH drop hockey, but how do you go to the point of saying that NMU should drop out of D1 if they aren't willing to deal with travel to Huntsville? NMU is in the new WCHA. UAH is (presumably) trying to join the league. To suggest that any team that doesn't want to make the extra travel to UAH (if in fact that is the case) should leave to accommodate UAH makes no sense. Where would the WCHA benefit if NMU leaves division 1 and UAH joins? Now they just have 9 teams more spread out. NMU and the other schools have a very simple calculation to make. Is the benefit of a 10th team to the conference and the expansion south to have a team in Alabama worth enough (including goodwill to save a program) to justify the extra cost? If the WCHA doesn't accept UAH (although I think it would be great if it worked out), that doesn't make them anymore culpable than for not kicking in enough extra cash to make a UM-Morehead team feasible. If a team wants to join a conference, make a case for why it benefits (or at least is neutral to) member institutions. If UAH wants to play the "good of hockey" card, then show where the benefit of having UAH in D1 hockey is (and I think there may very well be benefit), who gets the benefit (WCHA or otherwise), and then show how that benefit can help offset the extra cost to WCHA institutions.

 

[Shirtless Guy]

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i don't think that anyone here wants to see UAH drop hockey, but how do you go to the point of saying that NMU should drop out of D1 if they aren't willing to deal with travel to Huntsville? NMU is in the new WCHA. UAH is (presumably) trying to join the league. To suggest that any team that doesn't want to make the extra travel to UAH (if in fact that is the case) should leave to accommodate UAH makes no sense. Where would the WCHA benefit if NMU leaves division 1 and UAH joins? Now they just have 9 teams more spread out. NMU and the other schools have a very simple calculation to make. Is the benefit of a 10th team to the conference and the expansion south to have a team in Alabama worth enough (including goodwill to save a program) to justify the extra cost? If the WCHA doesn't accept UAH (although I think it would be great if it worked out), that doesn't make them anymore culpable than for not kicking in enough extra cash to make a UM-Morehead team feasible. If a team wants to join a conference, make a case for why it benefits (or at least is neutral to) member institutions. If UAH wants to play the "good of hockey" card, then show where the benefit of having UAH in D1 hockey is (and I think there may very well be benefit), who gets the benefit (WCHA or otherwise), and then show how that benefit can help offset the extra cost to WCHA institutions.

I think what he's trying to get at is if the only major drawback of adding UAH is the travel to Huntsville, and if UAH agrees to subsidize that travel to some extent, than NMU has no excuse not to vote for UAH's admission to the WCHA. The WCHA is not a cost containment league like Atlantic Hockey so to hold on to the argument of travel expenses because NMU wants to avoid a flight at all costs seems a little absurd, especially now when you consider that NMU can play non-conference games with WMU, Wisconsin, SCSU, UMD without having to fly at all. Michigan Tech has never been afraid to fly for non-conference games and has flown more than NMU and they don't seem to have a problem with it.

 

[aparch]

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The WCHA is not a cost containment league

Umm, New WCHA or Old WCHA? You're telling me that MTU is saddened that they won't have to pay for a flight or two to Colorado every year? One of those flights now goes to UAF (depending on who pays the bill, UAF may pick up part of it), and the other now can be put towards recruiting or other hockey operations funding.

LSSU, BGSU, FSU, and NMU are all "bus" schools, who fly ONLY to Alaska. In fact, none of those teams ever flew to Omaha. (there's YouTube video of BGSU getting stuck in Iowa during a snowstorm during the playoffs)

So, those four schools should "suck it up" and fly as often as MTU does?

so to hold on to the argument of travel expenses because NMU wants to avoid a flight at all costs seems a little absurd, especially now when you consider that NMU can play non-conference games with WMU, Wisconsin, SCSU, UMD without having to fly at all. Michigan Tech has never been afraid to fly for non-conference games and has flown more than NMU and they don't seem to have a problem with it.

Of the four teams you listed, three are already non-conference foes, and all four are within bus distance. Nothing changes with those four after the conference switch, other than the fact that NMU doesn't need to leave on a Thursday at 7 am for Kalamazoo via bus once per season anymore.

 

[aparch]

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Michigan Tech has never been afraid to fly for non-conference games and has flown more than NMU and they don't seem to have a problem with it.

Really? When's the last time MTU flew for a non-conference matchup?
November 25 & 26 2011 to St. Lawrence?
January 4 & 5 2008 to Mercyhurst? (well within bus distance)

So once in the last decade?

 

[giwan]

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I think it really comes down to how much is UAH really committed to hockey? Will they subsidize?

 

[Flashy Man]

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Really? When's the last time MTU flew for a non-conference matchup?
November 25 & 26 2011 to St. Lawrence?
January 4 & 5 2008 to Mercyhurst? (well within bus distance)

So once in the last decade?

Vermont 2006

 

[oldish husky]

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Umm, New WCHA or Old WCHA?

A valid point. I think that much of the appeal of the new league is the new geography. Only time will tell how much the teams fly from here on out. Some of that will be dictated by who is willing to schedule new WCHA teams for home and homes.

 

[UAHStatman]

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I think it really comes down to how much is UAH really committed to hockey? Will they subsidize?

I understand that to be the plan. I don't know any particulars. We did offer to subsidize travel when we applied for the CCHA in 2009.

 

[gfmorris]

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We did offer to subsidize travel when we applied for the CCHA in 2009.

I've been told by enough people and enough times to clearly state that it was $70k/yr, payable to the CCHA office. I am sure that, if this is a concern from WCHA member schools, a discussion will be had. This would presumably be one of the many things we are fundraising to support. That said, I do not know for a fact whether we would offer a subsidy or how much it would be. I haven't asked, and I haven't been told. If I do ask, I probably can't tell.

GFM <-- was hoping to swing by the hockey office today before the storms spun up ... damage is in the north half of the county, and we're in the south half. Have friends with damage.

 

[davyd83]

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I've been told by enough people and enough times to clearly state that it was $70k/yr, payable to the CCHA office. I am sure that, if this is a concern from WCHA member schools, a discussion will be had. This would presumably be one of the many things we are fundraising to support. That said, I do not know for a fact whether we would offer a subsidy or how much it would be. I haven't asked, and I haven't been told. If I do ask, I probably can't tell.

GFM <-- was hoping to swing by the hockey office today before the storms spun up ... damage is in the north half of the county, and we're in the south half. Have friends with damage.

Hope things are OK for the UAH fans with the storms. A buddy of mine near Birmingham, in the Trussville area, had his home destroyed by the storms that went through there last month. Thoughts and prayers go out for those affected.

 

[gfmorris]

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Three commits for the defense, which brings them to eight. I expect Gavin has his limit there. I know that they've been working on forwards like crazy. Still need five guys: four forwards and a goalie.

On an alumni note, Scott Munroe and Cam Talbot faced off in the AHL on Friday night. Cam came in relief and the pair combined to stop all 50 pucks thrown on net. I'm pretty sure that this is their first meeting.

GFM

 

[gfmorris]

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Also: UAHStatman pointed out to me that UAH will be playing at UMD again next year, this time March 1-2. The last time UAH played in March was in the 2-1 loss to Miami in 2009-10, thanks to the Pagan Independent Scheduling Gods. [Jerks.]

GFM

 

[UAHStatman]

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Three commits for the defense, which brings them to eight. I expect Gavin has his limit there. I know that they've been working on forwards like crazy. Still need five guys: four forwards and a goalie.

On an alumni note, Scott Munroe and Cam Talbot faced off in the AHL on Friday night. Cam came in relief and the pair combined to stop all 50 pucks thrown on net. I'm pretty sure that this is their first meeting.

GFM

I'm pretty sure it was the first meeting of two former Charger goaltenders at any pro level ever. Huzzah!

 

[lmg6841]

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So... we hear you need a conference.