Re: UAH Hockey 2011-12: Will Someone Break the Conference Logjam? Thanks.
Yes there is, for Hawaii too
Yes there is, for Hawaii too
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UAH Hockey 2011-12: Will Someone Break the Conference Logjam? Thanks.
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FlagDUDE08
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OK, your argument is better understood.
Were there similar issues in Tech's trips to Colorado?
OK, your argument is better understood.
Were there similar issues in Tech's trips to Colorado?
Re: UAH Hockey 2011-12: Will Someone Break the Conference Logjam? Thanks.
Tech flies to CC and Denver.
Tech flies to CC and Denver.
Flashy Man
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Every team should have one of these.
http://www.powerhousecoach.com/coch24int.html
Every team should have one of these.
http://www.powerhousecoach.com/coch24int.html
FlagDUDE08
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Re: UAH Hockey 2011-12: Will Someone Break the Conference Logjam? Thanks.
My question was related to budget concerns, as is your original question.
My question was related to budget concerns, as is your original question.
Re: UAH Hockey 2011-12: Will Someone Break the Conference Logjam? Thanks.
Sorry, it seemed your question was related to the 48 hour rule. Budgetarily for Tech it would be pretty much a wash, replacing Denver and CC with Fairbanks and Huntsville. Of course they will also lose their WCHA Final Five revenue, and that will be significant., as will it be for Mankato and Anchorage.
My question was related to budget concerns, as is your original question.
Sorry, it seemed your question was related to the 48 hour rule. Budgetarily for Tech it would be pretty much a wash, replacing Denver and CC with Fairbanks and Huntsville. Of course they will also lose their WCHA Final Five revenue, and that will be significant., as will it be for Mankato and Anchorage.
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Re: UAH Hockey 2011-12: Will Someone Break the Conference Logjam? Thanks.
Those are great. We had similar, though not quite as elaborate, busses with a couple of the minor pro teams I worked with. The models show there are gonna run you some serious cash! Like a half mil or more.
Those are great. We had similar, though not quite as elaborate, busses with a couple of the minor pro teams I worked with. The models show there are gonna run you some serious cash! Like a half mil or more.
Shirtless Guy
Old Dirty Basterd
Re: UAH Hockey 2011-12: Will Someone Break the Conference Logjam? Thanks.
A 10-team WCHA could be broken up into these designated rivals:
UAA-UAF
BSU-MSU
MTU-NMU
LSSU-FSU
BGSU-UAH
Over a 4-year rotation (example MTU) you'd travel to 2 of UAA, UAF, UAH 3 of 4 years and travel to all 3 once in 4 years...
Year 1:
Home - UAA, UAF, BSU, NMU, LSSU, FSU, BGSU
Away - UAA, BSU, MSU, NMU, LSSU, BGSU, UAH
Year 2:
Home - UAF, BSU, MSU, NMU, FSU, BGSU, UAH
Away - UAA, UAF, MSU, NMU, LSSU, FSU, UAH
Year 3:
Home - UAA, BSU, MSU, NMU, LSSU, BGSU, UAH
Away - UAA, UAF, BSU, NMU, LSSU, FSU, BGSU
Year 4:
Home - UAA, UAF, MSU, NMU, LSSU, FSU, UAH
Away - UAF, BSU, MSU, NMU, FSU, BGSU, UAH
BGSU would end up make the 3 trips more often...twice in 4 years.
A 10-team WCHA could be broken up into these designated rivals:
UAA-UAF
BSU-MSU
MTU-NMU
LSSU-FSU
BGSU-UAH
Over a 4-year rotation (example MTU) you'd travel to 2 of UAA, UAF, UAH 3 of 4 years and travel to all 3 once in 4 years...
Year 1:
Home - UAA, UAF, BSU, NMU, LSSU, FSU, BGSU
Away - UAA, BSU, MSU, NMU, LSSU, BGSU, UAH
Year 2:
Home - UAF, BSU, MSU, NMU, FSU, BGSU, UAH
Away - UAA, UAF, MSU, NMU, LSSU, FSU, UAH
Year 3:
Home - UAA, BSU, MSU, NMU, LSSU, BGSU, UAH
Away - UAA, UAF, BSU, NMU, LSSU, FSU, BGSU
Year 4:
Home - UAA, UAF, MSU, NMU, LSSU, FSU, UAH
Away - UAF, BSU, MSU, NMU, FSU, BGSU, UAH
BGSU would end up make the 3 trips more often...twice in 4 years.
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moose97
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I guess then, the question is, does NMU actually want to be D-I in hockey?
As I look at NMU's schedule *, there were no flights this season, correct? Last year, there was one (Alaska); they year before one (Alaska); none in '08-'09; and one (Alaska again) the year prior. Compare that to, say, Bemidji State. This year, it's 3 flights (DU, CC and UAA); last year (the first in the WCHA) it was 1 (DU). That was a massive improvement over the CHA days, when BSU had this: '09-'10 - 4 flights (UAH, Niagara, RMU and UAH); '08-'09 was 5 flights (UAH, Niagara, RMU, RMU (no, not double counting, it was RMU twice on the road in three weeks), and Niagara - yep, again). Not only that, but that was the Frozen 4 year...; '07-'08 was 5 (UAH, Wayne State, Niagara, UAH, RMU).
So, to sum up, NMU has had an average of 0.6 flights a year for the last 5, and BSU has had an average of 3.6.
Again - does NMU want to play D-I hockey or pinch pennies and drop the sport? I understand that college budgets have taken a massive hit over the last few years, but the reality of playing D-I athletics demands that the money to play at a realistic level is maintained. What does that mean in this argument? NMU (and Tech and FSU) will have to fly to Alaska, UAA and likely UAH if they are added to the conference. As Shirtless points out, there is a way to "only" double NMU's flight travel budget most years (in conference anyway) and occasionally triple it **. Is it impossible to make up that difference - especially if UAH does kick in a travel subsidy *** ? There is your question. If the answer is "no," than maybe NMU should look at joining whatever conference Finlandia is in and bus to every game.
* - I decided to go conference games only
** - and it should be pointed out that while there are extra flights, there are fewer bus trips. In other-words, let's say that a bus trip costs "X" and a flight "Y," the added cost isn't Y, it's Y-X
*** - what about UAA and UAF's subsidy?
I guess then, the question is, does NMU actually want to be D-I in hockey?
As I look at NMU's schedule *, there were no flights this season, correct? Last year, there was one (Alaska); they year before one (Alaska); none in '08-'09; and one (Alaska again) the year prior. Compare that to, say, Bemidji State. This year, it's 3 flights (DU, CC and UAA); last year (the first in the WCHA) it was 1 (DU). That was a massive improvement over the CHA days, when BSU had this: '09-'10 - 4 flights (UAH, Niagara, RMU and UAH); '08-'09 was 5 flights (UAH, Niagara, RMU, RMU (no, not double counting, it was RMU twice on the road in three weeks), and Niagara - yep, again). Not only that, but that was the Frozen 4 year...; '07-'08 was 5 (UAH, Wayne State, Niagara, UAH, RMU).
So, to sum up, NMU has had an average of 0.6 flights a year for the last 5, and BSU has had an average of 3.6.
Again - does NMU want to play D-I hockey or pinch pennies and drop the sport? I understand that college budgets have taken a massive hit over the last few years, but the reality of playing D-I athletics demands that the money to play at a realistic level is maintained. What does that mean in this argument? NMU (and Tech and FSU) will have to fly to Alaska, UAA and likely UAH if they are added to the conference. As Shirtless points out, there is a way to "only" double NMU's flight travel budget most years (in conference anyway) and occasionally triple it **. Is it impossible to make up that difference - especially if UAH does kick in a travel subsidy *** ? There is your question. If the answer is "no," than maybe NMU should look at joining whatever conference Finlandia is in and bus to every game.
* - I decided to go conference games only
** - and it should be pointed out that while there are extra flights, there are fewer bus trips. In other-words, let's say that a bus trip costs "X" and a flight "Y," the added cost isn't Y, it's Y-X
*** - what about UAA and UAF's subsidy?
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manurespreader
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Re: UAH Hockey 2011-12: Will Someone Break the Conference Logjam? Thanks.
I've done a lot of research on the transportation issues. A few facts. most schools do not own the busses, they charter them. the average cost per mile is over 3 dollars nationally. Anything over 8 hours requires a relief driver, Add dollars per mile. Flying is quite expensive and you can't get discounted tickets, but is generally worth it from a team rest point of view.
When St Lawrence came to Tech last year, it was a 17 hour bus ride each way.
I'd love to have UAH in the WCHA, and I think it can be done. A subsidy would really help. Huntsville does have a nice airport. Keep at it UAH fans.
I've done a lot of research on the transportation issues. A few facts. most schools do not own the busses, they charter them. the average cost per mile is over 3 dollars nationally. Anything over 8 hours requires a relief driver, Add dollars per mile. Flying is quite expensive and you can't get discounted tickets, but is generally worth it from a team rest point of view.
When St Lawrence came to Tech last year, it was a 17 hour bus ride each way.
I'd love to have UAH in the WCHA, and I think it can be done. A subsidy would really help. Huntsville does have a nice airport. Keep at it UAH fans.
gfmorris
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Go ask Jim Roque how they did it in the Soo if you won't believe me that we do it all the time.
GFM
Go ask Jim Roque how they did it in the Soo if you won't believe me that we do it all the time.
GFM
gfmorris
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Re: UAH Hockey 2011-12: Will Someone Break the Conference Logjam? Thanks.
Those were the days, weren't they? Y'all flew more than everyone else in the league because you can bus WSU-NU-RMU easily and UAH fairly easily. The Beavs flew all the time, as did the Zoomies [before they left and rang the death knell of the CHA]. We were all trying to get into better leagues [some more effectively than others] not just for recruiting, but because the travel would have been easier for each team. UAH would have come out better on CCHA travel even going to the UP and Alaska.
So if there has to be a travel subsidy, do we offer it to the league? I don't know that BG needs one---the drive is doable single-driver in a day. We H&H with Ferris last year, which may explain why there wasn't a game guarantee. I think those are the clear bus trips for even davyd83. The flights are the Alaska schools and the Minnesota schools. The question mark is the UP travel.
GFM
Those were the days, weren't they? Y'all flew more than everyone else in the league because you can bus WSU-NU-RMU easily and UAH fairly easily. The Beavs flew all the time, as did the Zoomies [before they left and rang the death knell of the CHA]. We were all trying to get into better leagues [some more effectively than others] not just for recruiting, but because the travel would have been easier for each team. UAH would have come out better on CCHA travel even going to the UP and Alaska.
So if there has to be a travel subsidy, do we offer it to the league? I don't know that BG needs one---the drive is doable single-driver in a day. We H&H with Ferris last year, which may explain why there wasn't a game guarantee. I think those are the clear bus trips for even davyd83. The flights are the Alaska schools and the Minnesota schools. The question mark is the UP travel.
GFM
Shirtless Guy
Old Dirty Basterd
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Actually Mankato is closer to Huntsville than Marquette and Houghton.
UAHStatman
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Is Atlantic not an option? (I know I already asked you this. I just wish I asked the powers that be when I was in town.)
Side question, not really related: How is the 2012-13 schedule rebuild going?
Is Atlantic not an option? (I know I already asked you this. I just wish I asked the powers that be when I was in town.)
Side question, not really related: How is the 2012-13 schedule rebuild going?
gfmorris
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Re: UAH Hockey 2011-12: Will Someone Break the Conference Logjam? Thanks.
If I had to guess, it's an option that they don't think will come to fruition, so they'd rather expend the resources on where they are best spent. I also think that getting eastern teams from a cost-containment conference to commit to bringing in UAH, travel subsidy or no, is a likely non-starter. We checked for interest as the CHA fell apart and, as I understand it, got a very cold response. I rather doubt that has changed, especially as college hockey increasingly moves towards have and have-nots. The good teams in Atlantic Hockey probably want out.
I have not talked to Lou about scheduling, and I probably would be asked to keep anything I did know quiet. I do know that we had about 3/4 of a 2012-13 schedule in October, but we released those games just as we released our players. I'm trying to think as little as possible about next year, because it will be hard to recruit against our situation given everything that's happened this year, Koshey re-commit or no. A quick yes answer from the WCHA would be a boon, but I don't see it happening until this summer. The kids that would come as July/August commits---guys still looking for a spot, guys who you might pick up not wanting to play another year of junior (usually at age 20)---aren't going to be appreciably different with or without a WCHA spot tied up in May.
All of that said, Gavin Morgan says that there are players to be had, and the Koshey commit is big. They want to bring in 4F 3D 1G to give us depth. We need a center to feed Lysaght the puck so Cseter can work the other scoring line. Hell, we need one scoring line.
Still focused on the conference thing. If I thought anything I could do or drum up would help, I'd do it. The only thing I've got is for WCHA fans to lobby their ADs, but I expect that anyone in a position to do so has already done so.
GFM <-- gets defeatist on Leap Day.
If I had to guess, it's an option that they don't think will come to fruition, so they'd rather expend the resources on where they are best spent. I also think that getting eastern teams from a cost-containment conference to commit to bringing in UAH, travel subsidy or no, is a likely non-starter. We checked for interest as the CHA fell apart and, as I understand it, got a very cold response. I rather doubt that has changed, especially as college hockey increasingly moves towards have and have-nots. The good teams in Atlantic Hockey probably want out.
I have not talked to Lou about scheduling, and I probably would be asked to keep anything I did know quiet. I do know that we had about 3/4 of a 2012-13 schedule in October, but we released those games just as we released our players. I'm trying to think as little as possible about next year, because it will be hard to recruit against our situation given everything that's happened this year, Koshey re-commit or no. A quick yes answer from the WCHA would be a boon, but I don't see it happening until this summer. The kids that would come as July/August commits---guys still looking for a spot, guys who you might pick up not wanting to play another year of junior (usually at age 20)---aren't going to be appreciably different with or without a WCHA spot tied up in May.
All of that said, Gavin Morgan says that there are players to be had, and the Koshey commit is big. They want to bring in 4F 3D 1G to give us depth. We need a center to feed Lysaght the puck so Cseter can work the other scoring line. Hell, we need one scoring line.
Still focused on the conference thing. If I thought anything I could do or drum up would help, I'd do it. The only thing I've got is for WCHA fans to lobby their ADs, but I expect that anyone in a position to do so has already done so.
GFM <-- gets defeatist on Leap Day.
UAHStatman
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Well, that stinks. I think if the WCHA falls through, it wouldn't hurt to ask again. We'll surely have nothing left to lose at that point.
That's OK. I'm not really curious about specific teams or home dates right now. I just wondering how difficult the process has been.
That'd be nice.
Well, that stinks. I think if the WCHA falls through, it wouldn't hurt to ask again. We'll surely have nothing left to lose at that point.
That's OK. I'm not really curious about specific teams or home dates right now. I just wondering how difficult the process has been.
That'd be nice.
Shirtless Guy
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Can you explain to me how this 48 hour rule works? It seems like there must be some flexibility because Michigan Tech plays at 9pm Eastern on Friday in Colorado Springs and yet somehow, the Huskies drove down to Minneapolis, practiced at Mariucci Arena yesterday afternoon and flew from MSP to Denver this afternoon...
FlagDUDE08
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OK, here's the bylaw:
However, there is an exception (j) due to inclement weather, and I know some areas have had that lately (though I doubt it's bad enough to warrant the exception, but who knows):
OK, here's the bylaw:
However, there is an exception (j) due to inclement weather, and I know some areas have had that lately (though I doubt it's bad enough to warrant the exception, but who knows):
Shirtless Guy
Old Dirty Basterd
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ok, I believe MTU actually did you the inclement weather exception yesterday...I mean class was canceled at the school by 3pm yesterday...and snownami Tubby was a big problem throughout Minnesota/Wisconsin/UP on tuesday/wednesday.