U-M / MSU - The R-rated series

[STATEdude3]

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So, who brought Shegos out of witness protection?

Aalen, today was your day to shine and you made the most of it. You had your students into the game from the very start. Congrats on leading the best Munn student section since 2002.

 

[kdilks]

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BOTH GOALS CALLED OFF WAS A GOOD CALL.

Rowe obviously interfered in the crease. The penalty was a good call.

I sit in section 0 not 30 feet from the net when the Michigan goal was called off. It was very clear that Shegos had his whistle on the way up to his mouth when the puck crossed the line. As a good hockey fan knows, the play is not dead when the whistle blows...the play is dead when the referee has intent to blow it dead. THEREFORE according to the rules, the play was already dead.

It was a very emotional game. Munn was as loud as I've heard it in the last 5 years. Tomorrow should be a hell of a game at The Joe.

Just because Michigan's goal being waved off was a correct interpretation of the rules doesn't mean that the referee's decision to blow the whistle that early was a "good call".

 

[Arwen22266]

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Our 3^2 championships, you mean?

You're starting to sound like your friend Mr. UMichHockeyDroolz. I'll repeat it again, since you didn't pay attention the first time: Seven of your school's nine titles were won in 1964 or earlier. Since that time, our school has won three NC's to your two. Now I'm a journalist and no mathematician, but even I know three>two.

 

[STATEdude3]

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Just because Michigan's goal being waved off was a correct interpretation of the rules doesn't mean that the referee's decision to blow the whistle that early was a "good call".

This I agree with. I had a great view of it and I thought the whistle may have been quick, but I'm not sure it was as quick as others we see a million times a game...this one just happened to be at a crucial point with a minute left.

So yes, it may have been a quick whistle but based on the rules it was correctly waived off. Between that and the penalty call on MSU for the crosscheck I felt that Shegos and Wilkins did a reasonable job tonight. This was an extremely emotional game and the players really did everything they could to make things difficult.

As a Spartan I was fired up to see Krug and Palmisano raising their arms to get the students riled up...this team is really connecting with the fans. They are fun to watch and the youthful exhuberance is very starting to get the attention of everyone on campus. There was a buzz this week like we have not seen in quite a while.

 

[Gomer]

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RE: the whistle... I'm rolling through the DVR right now. Haven't got to the play at the end yet, but my recollection is that the whistle blew before the puck crossed the line. That is why it wasn't even discussed. I'll see what, if anything, the replay shows.

Hell... sat here and watched it and never posted this...

The tale of the tape says the whistle blew before the goal judge turns the light on.

So the whistle was blown early. scUM blew all night.

And wrestling, guys? We have a better wrestling team too? The RR cancer has spread pretty deep over there.

 

[Packer487]

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BOTH GOALS CALLED OFF WAS A GOOD CALL.

Rowe obviously interfered in the crease. The penalty was a good call.

I sit in section 0 not 30 feet from the net when the Michigan goal was called off. It was very clear that Shegos had his whistle on the way up to his mouth when the puck crossed the line. As a good hockey fan knows, the play is not dead when the whistle blows...the play is dead when the referee has intent to blow it dead. THEREFORE according to the rules, the play was already dead.

It was a very emotional game. Munn was as loud as I've heard it in the last 5 years. Tomorrow should be a hell of a game at The Joe.

Pretty darn impressive that during live action from 30 feet away, you could watch Shegos and the puck at the same time.....

 

[MaizeRage]

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Facemasking is a ridiculous new rule. They used to just call it roughing. And what is the difference between a major and a minor facemask?

Face-masking has been in the rule book for years, but always as an automatic five-minute major. Two years ago, they amended it to give officials the option of calling it a two-minute minor or five-minute major, and this year they made face-washing a point of emphasis, which is why you see more two-minute minors for facemasks this year.

But when you come up behind someone and twist their head 180 degrees, which is what Grassi,that's most definitely a five-minute major, and could probably be looked at for a possible suspension. It's a pretty dangerous and gutless play. I was surprised Michigan got a 5 on 3 out of that, but since the other extra penalty was an obstruction call, I'm assuming that was called prior to the scrum?

This I agree with. I had a great view of it and I thought the whistle may have been quick, but I'm not sure it was as quick as others we see a million times a game...this one just happened to be at a crucial point with a minute left.

Palmisano never had control and the puck never stopped moving. The only way you could have a quicker whistle is if the ref blew it dead while it was still on the shooter's stick.

The official pretty obviously blew the call, but I don't think he made a poor decision. That's a tough call to make. That's also a perfect example of why "intent to blow the whistle" is a great rule, at least in theory.

The whole point of the rule is to keep somebody from whacking away at a puck that the goalie has control of before the official can blow his whistle. Unfortunately, most officials don't take advantage of that, and start anticipating the goalie covering the puck to keep him from getting whacked at. If the ref had let the play go on, he could have gone to the replay, and if Palmisano actually had controlled the puck, he could have said he intended to blow the whistle and not counted the goal, and if he saw Palmisano never had control of the puck, which he didn't, the goal would have stood. Instead he handcuffed himself by blowing the play dead too early. It's something football officials have adjusted to with fumble calls, by erring on the side of caution and utilizing the option to look at things on the replay.

 

[wsummers]

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Having watched the game from Munn and then reviewed the tape later....The game should have been 4-3 in my opinion. I didn't see a hitting from behind...and apparently it was an AR that made the call.

The second waved off goal was an extremely quick whistle...it should have been a goal..

Found it interesting that the refs did it old school...never went to the video reply on either of the goals.

 

[HckyDoc]

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The second waved off goal was an extremely quick whistle...it should have been a goal..

Found it interesting that the refs did it old school...never went to the video reply on either of the goals.

I am new here, but can anyone tell me what the rule is for reviewing a play that involves when the ref's whistle blew or was intended to be as someone said earlier? It seems out of the norm not to review it from the games I have seen this year.

 

[streaker]

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Having watched the game from Munn and then reviewed the tape later....The game should have been 4-3 in my opinion. I didn't see a hitting from behind...and apparently it was an AR that made the call.

The second waved off goal was an extremely quick whistle...it should have been a goal..

Found it interesting that the refs did it old school...never went to the video reply on either of the goals.

Summers was drilled from behind in the crease, before he touched the puck. (Kinda like pass interference, something that Spartan fans don't seem to understand, either- re: Desmond Howard.) It was the proper call, as was the no goal, since the infraction occurred prior to the goal. Doesn't matter that they didn't call it right away, the fact is, they got it correct, whether looking at video or not.

The ruling by Shegos is a judgment call. By rule it was the correct call. From a competency standpoint, it wasn't. Seems to be the status quo in the CCHA.

Just the same, kudos to MSU. They outplayed Michigan for most of the game and Comley was correct in his assertion that, if it wasn't for taking stupid penalties, MSU should have won 3-0.

 

[Gomer]

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The ruling by Shegos is a judgment call. By rule it was the correct call. From a competency standpoint, it wasn't. Seems to be the status quo in the CCHA.

Judgement? Competency? He lost sight of the puck. He is supposed to blow the whistle, right? Call it a vision problem if you want, but that's all it was.

Don't worry... Shegos will balance the books tonight. No doubt.

 

[Gomer]

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And is it just me... or does Shegos remind anyone else of this guy from Ghostbusters II?
Dr. Janosz Poha

 

[STATEdude3]

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lol! So true Gomer!

Just because you guys suck this year and fail to show up until the last 10 minutes of the game, doesn't mean you can throw all the blame at the officials. Or maybe that's just the standards of the Michigan Men.

The truth is you guys entered this season with some of the best talent up front and a reasonably solid blueline. You had the opportunity to make a run and play in a Frozen Four just 30 miles from your campus. The reality is that you guys **** the bed, plain and simple.

Take a look at "little brother" last season...we were not blaming the officials. We didn't need to throw blame anywhere except the 22 players and 4 coaches on the bench. Start doing that and maybe then you will begin to understand the woes of your program.

Fail! to the victors, valiant.

 

[streaker]

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Judgement? Competency? He lost sight of the puck. He is supposed to blow the whistle, right? Call it a vision problem if you want, but that's all it was.

Don't worry... Shegos will balance the books tonight. No doubt.

Yeah, I said judgment, as in, how long I should wait until I intend to blow the whistle. VERY quick whistle. He is suppose to be one of the most experienced officials in the CCHA and he blew it- yeah that's a nice way of putting it- a vision problem because he was directly behind the net and got blocked out of position and reacted a millisecond after the initial shot. More like defending a call that, if the reverse happened, you'd be all over.

As for balancing the books- I doubt it, but then again you are defending his competency on one hand, yet would make a remark about his integrity with the other. I am an equal opportunity critic- all of the CCHA officials suffer the same malady, and I am not talking about poor vision.

Doesn't matter. Michigan can't find their way out of a paper sack right now even with officiating generosity.

 

[STATEdude3]

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Quick whistles because an official loses the puck happens many times in a game. I can think of at least 2 quick whistles near Hogan that I was upset about at the time. But there is nothing that can be done about it...it sucks as a fan, but that is the way the game goes. Don't dig a 3 goal deficit and you wont have to worry about the little intricacies of the game that are standard practice.

 

[streaker]

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lol! So true Gomer!

Just because you guys suck this year and fail to show up until the last 10 minutes of the game, doesn't mean you can throw all the blame at the officials. Or maybe that's just the standards of the Michigan Men.

The truth is you guys entered this season with some of the best talent up front and a reasonably solid blueline. You had the opportunity to make a run and play in a Frozen Four just 30 miles from your campus. The reality is that you guys **** the bed, plain and simple.

Take a look at "little brother" last season...we were not blaming the officials. We didn't need to throw blame anywhere except the 22 players and 4 coaches on the bench. Start doing that and maybe then you will begin to understand the woes of your program.

Fail! to the victors, valiant.

Where the eff did did you get the idea I was blaming the officials? Didn't you read what I posted?

"They outplayed Michigan for most of the game and Comley was correct in his assertion that, if it wasn't for taking stupid penalties, MSU should have won 3-0."

So much latent anger. Have a green beer.

 

[STATEdude3]

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Where the eff did did you get the idea I was blaming the officials? Didn't you read what I posted?

"They outplayed Michigan for most of the game and Comley was correct in his assertion that, if it wasn't for taking stupid penalties, MSU should have won 3-0."

So much latent anger. Have a green beer.

I read what you posted but in my land-grant-educated opinion I think you are masking your complaint with fake reason. You can look at the multiple off-sides' on odd-man rushes or whiffing on shots in front of the net before getting to a judgment call made by an official. As much I believe Shegos is a lousy ref, all things considered I think the game was called pretty well last night...and my team was the one screwed on a 5-3 late in the game when you guys had a player come off the bench! It goes both ways, but I think you are focusing on the wrong points of the game.

Oh, and up here in Spartyland we have other sports that compete too. I believe I will celebrate a green beer to my top tier basketball program! Thanks for the suggestion!

 

[alfablue]

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You're starting to sound like your friend Mr. UMichHockeyDroolz. I'll repeat it again, since you didn't pay attention the first time: Seven of your school's nine titles were won in 1964 or earlier. Since that time, our school has won three NC's to your two. Now I'm a journalist and no mathematician, but even I know three>two.

Dude, the "insult" was a joke to STATEdude about his Library statement, and I was making fun of him working at the Munn Library. Thankfully, for him, he has actually learned a degree of humor while spending his time at MSU.

First of all, the number of NC's really doesn't matter. Really- neither of us were around for the early ones.

Second- you mention Toolz- which you seem to like to bash, but isn't using your 1965 cut off just a much of a tool? Think about it- the year before- ONE YEAR- you discount that. Somehow 1965 is a magical year where nothing before that counts. And the lame excuses that the entire 1950's don't count? Come on, be serious- they all count. Apparently, you feel that the "little brother" label needs to be undone for whatever reason? What a bunch of UM fans think of you and your team is not important.

But if you have a inferiority complex that somehow needs an arbitrary cut off just to make you feel better, go for it.

 

[alfablue]

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Judgement? Competency? He lost sight of the puck. He is supposed to blow the whistle, right? Call it a vision problem if you want, but that's all it was.

Don't worry... Shegos will balance the books tonight. No doubt.

So when he calls off a goal by you guys when Tropp manages to score UNDER a flopping around Hogan, just because he looses sight, you'll be ok with that? All that happened was the puck landed in front of the goalie, the offensive player took a whack at it, and somehow it managed to get under the goalie who was lying on the ice.

Still, MSU should have won by a higher count than by one. The parts of the game I saw, it was very one sided. If MSU doesn't finish the sweep tonight, I'll be somewhat surprised.

 

[Gomer]

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Yeah, I said judgment, as in, how long I should wait until I intend to blow the whistle. VERY quick whistle. He is suppose to be one of the most experienced officials in the CCHA and he blew it- yeah that's a nice way of putting it- a vision problem because he was directly behind the net and got blocked out of position and reacted a millisecond after the initial shot. More like defending a call that, if the reverse happened, you'd be all over.

As for balancing the books- I doubt it, but then again you are defending his competency on one hand, yet would make a remark about his integrity with the other. I am an equal opportunity critic- all of the CCHA officials suffer the same malady, and I am not talking about poor vision.

Doesn't matter. Michigan can't find their way out of a paper sack right now even with officiating generosity.

Trust me, I am not defending his competency, I'm just saying that this instance, it's not a matter of competency.

If you want to complain about competency and judgment, then talk about the disallowed goal against State. My understanding is that when there is a penalty, an arm is supposed to go up. Four officials out there didn't call a penalty. Suddenly, after discussing it, they decide there was a penalty? If someone has an explanation for that that might help me better understand the game, by all means do share. Explain to me why it "doesn't matter that they didn't call it right away." With a checking from behind call... what is it they need to discuss to determine if a penalty was committed?