U-M / MSU - The R-rated series

[alfablue]

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Trust me, I am not defending his competency, I'm just saying that this instance, it's not a matter of competency.

If you want to complain about competency and judgment, then talk about the disallowed goal against State. My understanding is that when there is a penalty, an arm is supposed to go up. Four officials out there didn't call a penalty. Suddenly, after discussing it, they decide there was a penalty? If someone has an explanation for that that might help me better understand the game, by all means do share. Explain to me why it "doesn't matter that they didn't call it right away." With a checking from behind call... what is it they need to discuss to determine if a penalty was committed?

(side question- was this the 5 min penalty that I was kind of surprised in seeing in the 3rd period?? I was flipping channels- being a bad, bad fan... but the conference you speak of could have been the officials deciding on the severity of the penalty as opposed to the timing... Again, I didn't see it, and am only suggesting a possibility)

 

[Gomer]

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(side question- was this the 5 min penalty that I was kind of surprised in seeing in the 3rd period?? I was flipping channels- being a bad, bad fan... but the conference you speak of could have been the officials deciding on the severity of the penalty as opposed to the timing... Again, I didn't see it, and am only suggesting a possibility)

Negative.

This was a goal we scored late in the 3rd that would have made it 4-2. The puck popped up in the air above the crease. Summers (I think) skated in and went to bat it out of the air. Rowe charged in behind him, cleared him out as he went to get it, collected the puck and shoved it in. Shegos standing 5 feet away signals goal, and we go up 4-2. The linesmen have their hands in their pockets. There was never any indication of any penalty.

Summers and the rest of the scUM crew start crying, the officials skate over to converse, there's no review of the goal or anything. Next thing you know, Rowe is getting yanked off the bench and sent to the box. Two minutes - hitting from behind.

The 5 minuter was a gift you guys received following a dustup in the corner. Granted, I think the 5er was justified, but that everything else was offsetting surprised me. Especially considering we already had a guy going to the box for a minor that happened away from and not related to the fight. Expecially considering that Kampfer came off the bench to join in and had to be told twice be Wilkins to go back to the bench. That was the 5 on 3 that led to your first goal.

 

[alfablue]

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Thanks.

 

[STATEdude3]

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here is why the call against MSU is a good call...

Rowe shoved the player from behind. He was then the next Spartan to touch the puck, knocking it across the line. Therefore the play being dead at the point he touched the puck. The penalty was being called by a linesman, not a referree. The referee behind the net called the goal, but then after meeting with the linesman who called the penalty the correct call was made.

here is why the call against UM is a reasonable call...

The whistle was quick, that cannot be debated. However the intent was there to blow the play dead, therefore it is dead. The call was made right away, not after a long consultation. Whether the call goes for or against your team is irrelevant, it was called within the rules and that is most important.

This should be the end of the story.

Move on to tonight...

 

[Gomer]

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here is why the call against MSU is a good call...

Rowe shoved the player from behind. He was then the next Spartan to touch the puck, knocking it across the line. Therefore the play being dead at the point he touched the puck. The penalty was being called by a linesman, not a referree. The referee behind the net called the goal, but then after meeting with the linesman who called the penalty the correct call was made.

What I disagree with, is that the linesman made the call. He (they) did nothing of the sort. If they make a call, their arm goes up. Right?

 

[STATEdude3]

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What I disagree with, is that the linesman made the call. He (they) did nothing of the sort. If they make a call, their arm goes up. Right?

The penalty occurred just a half second before the goal was scored...how fast can he raise his arms in the chaos of everything going on in front of the net? They have to watch 12 players on the ice and that is why the assistants are allowed to call penalties with discretion.

 

[Gomer]

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The penalty occurred just a half second before the goal was scored...how fast can he raise his arms in the chaos of everything going on in front of the net? They have to watch 12 players on the ice and that is why the assistants are allowed to call penalties with discretion.

I've seen them raise them pretty quickly. Fact of the matter is that they never raised them though. It was almost a full two seconds between Rowe's hit and the puck going in. And it took them 2 minutes to waive the goal off and send Rowe into the box.

 

[kdilks]

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I've seen them raise them pretty quickly. Fact of the matter is that they never raised them though. It was almost a full two seconds between Rowe's hit and the puck going in. And it took them 2 minutes to waive the goal off and send Rowe into the box.

The refs can get their hands up pretty quickly, but you often do see them take a second or two to make a judgment before putting their hand up, and that's not even when they're simultaneously trying to keep track of a goal-mouth scramble. It's not like there's some rule that says if the ref doesn't immediately signal for a penalty after the infraction happens, he can't call it. In all honesty, there's a good chance they let it slide had it not directly resulted in a goal, but they ultimately did the right thing by using the time they available to confer and make the correct call.

 

[Gomer]

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Anyway... We freakin won and at the end of the day, that's all that matters. GO GREEN!

I'm on the road to the Joe right now (via dinner in Greektown). Let's thump the skunkbears again tonight!

 

[wolverine318]

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Go Blue!!!!! Great Win Tonight!!!! I Am Still Slightly Drunk From The Molson Xxx At The Joe!!!

 

[wolverine318]

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Negative.

This was a goal we scored late in the 3rd that would have made it 4-2. The puck popped up in the air above the crease. Summers (I think) skated in and went to bat it out of the air. Rowe charged in behind him, cleared him out as he went to get it, collected the puck and shoved it in. Shegos standing 5 feet away signals goal, and we go up 4-2. The linesmen have their hands in their pockets. There was never any indication of any penalty.

Summers and the rest of the scUM crew start crying, the officials skate over to converse, there's no review of the goal or anything. Next thing you know, Rowe is getting yanked off the bench and sent to the box. Two minutes - hitting from behind.

The 5 minuter was a gift you guys received following a dustup in the corner. Granted, I think the 5er was justified, but that everything else was offsetting surprised me. Especially considering we already had a guy going to the box for a minor that happened away from and not related to the fight. Expecially considering that Kampfer came off the bench to join in and had to be told twice be Wilkins to go back to the bench. That was the 5 on 3 that led to your first goal.

what a load of crap. Typical save-a-lot sparty coming out with the scum references. If you actually watched the game without your green and white glasses you would have seen that Summers was cross-checked from behind into his own goal. Last time I looked at the rule book that was the definition of hitting from behind. CCHA crews will make that call 9 times out of ten.

Michigan didn't get screwed out of friday night. MIchigan lost because they didn't show up for the first two periods. The forechecking effort out of every line was **** poor and led to the majority of sparty's odd man chances.

 

[STATEdude3]

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I have very mixed emotions on tonights game...I'm upset that msu was down 3-0 after the first. I'm happy that msu fought back and took the lead. I'm upset that we lost that lead. And I'm upset that they gave the game away because of lazy, poor execution.

I would like to believe that even though MSU is so young, that they have grown enough this year to finish emotional games that end up with a late lead.

Either way it was a very entertaining weekend of hockey...and yet both teams leave the weekend just as they entered it.

 

[owslachief]

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I believed we witnessed a classic this evening. Not a well-played classic mind you - lots of dirty goals, but one few will forget.

Both teams showed some heart. MSU for showing poise down 3-0 and getting a spark from a shorty, and U-M for having enough at the end.

 

[Arwen22266]

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If you actually watched the game without your green and white glasses you would have seen that Summers was cross-checked from behind into his own goal. Last time I looked at the rule book that was the definition of hitting from behind. CCHA crews will make that call 9 times out of ten.

It took watching the DVR to get it, and then it was pretty clear. Andrew Rowe is a good player, but that was truly not cool. I prefer goals be gotten cleanly.

 

[Gomer]

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what a load of crap. Typical save-a-lot sparty coming out with the scum references. If you actually watched the game without your green and white glasses you would have seen that Summers was cross-checked from behind into his own goal. Last time I looked at the rule book that was the definition of hitting from behind. CCHA crews will make that call 9 times out of ten.

Michigan didn't get screwed out of friday night. MIchigan lost because they didn't show up for the first two periods. The forechecking effort out of every line was **** poor and led to the majority of sparty's odd man chances.

It's academic really. I am not disagreeing that it was a penalty. My disagreement is with how the call was made. It wasn't until UM complained and a 2 minute discussion ensued that a penalty was called. If it was as crystal clear as you suggest, then an arm should have gone up. Somebody from a competent officiating crew would have called it immediately. That was the point I have been trying to make. If you took that paper bag that has become the most fashionable scum athletic accessory these days off your head, maybe you'd see things a little more clearly.

 

[wolverine318]

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An arm would have gone up if likens was not focused on the net and saw the penalty. Instead, the linesman Tocco saw the checking from behind and waited until the play was dead. Since Rowe was the one who hit summers from behind and the first to touch the puck, Likens should have called the play dead.

Paper bag? *** are you smoking? Must be that tear gas coming from Cedarville...I bet you are not even a msu alum. Most MSU alums i know are intelligent. No, I am not a walmart wolverine. I am actually an alum.

 

[STATEdude3]

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An arm would have gone up if likens was not focused on the net and saw the penalty. Instead, the linesman Tocco saw the checking from behind and waited until the play was dead. Since Rowe was the one who hit summers from behind and the first to touch the puck, Likens should have called the play dead.

Paper bag? *** are you smoking? Must be that tear gas coming from Cedarville...I bet you are not even a msu alum. Most MSU alums i know are intelligent. No, I am not a walmart wolverine. I am actually an alum.[/QUOTE]

We need a laughing smilie for gems like this...dude, of all schools to be making this claim from, you are a member of the wrong fanbase. I'm not saying you not an alum, but you represent the strong minority.

Anyway I find it interesting that Rod Tocco officiated this game. For those that dont remember he was kicked off the MSU team back in 05-06 for an alcohol related even (possibly a dui). Ironically it was the week of the Michigan game at The Joe when we were introduced to Jeff Lerg. Oh and Likens is an East Lansing native. I'm shocked we havent heard the "conspiracy theory" mentioned yet...oh wait, calls went both ways!

 

[Gomer]

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An arm would have gone up if likens was not focused on the net and saw the penalty. Instead, the linesman Tocco saw the checking from behind and waited until the play was dead. Since Rowe was the one who hit summers from behind and the first to touch the puck, Likens should have called the play dead.

Paper bag? *** are you smoking? Must be that tear gas coming from Cedarville...I bet you are not even a msu alum. Most MSU alums i know are intelligent. No, I am not a walmart wolverine. I am actually an alum.

Like I said... something is obstructing your vision. Likens was officiating at the game 160 miles to the SW.

If Tocco sees a penalty, his arm is supposed to go up. The play wasn't dead until 2 seconds after the hit.

Even the announcers were in the dark as to what was going on until the call was made 2 minutes later. They thought the officials were discussing a crease violation.

As far as my alma mater goes, I most certainly hold a degree from MSU.

 

[streaker]

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It's academic really. I am not disagreeing that it was a penalty. My disagreement is with how the call was made. It wasn't until UM complained and a 2 minute discussion ensued that a penalty was called. If it was as crystal clear as you suggest, then an arm should have gone up. Somebody from a competent officiating crew would have called it immediately. That was the point I have been trying to make. If you took that paper bag that has become the most fashionable scum athletic accessory these days off your head, maybe you'd see things a little more clearly.

So do we now agree that this crew wasn't competent, or was Shegos really shielded from the net when he blew the third goal off on friday? Sounds to me that you fans are crafting arguments to suit your argument. To say that this call was competent, (although technically within his ruling jurisdiction) but the other wasn't is contradictory and asinine.

BTW- the officials have the ability to make/change calls up until play begins again. Review is discretionary. There is no rule that states otherwise. Just like the loophole rule about blowing the play dead, even if he doesn't use the whistle right away. The same principle applies.

Now, can we move on to our next opponent?

 

[wolverine318]

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We need a laughing smilie for gems like this...dude, of all schools to be making this claim from, you are a member of the wrong fanbase. I'm not saying you not an alum, but you represent the strong minority.

Anyway I find it interesting that Rod Tocco officiated this game. For those that dont remember he was kicked off the MSU team back in 05-06 for an alcohol related even (possibly a dui). Ironically it was the week of the Michigan game at The Joe when we were introduced to Jeff Lerg. Oh and Likens is an East Lansing native. I'm shocked we havent heard the "conspiracy theory" mentioned yet...oh wait, calls went both ways!

I am sorry but the majority of the state dumbasses I have met are usually undergrads and save-a-lot sparties. I would like to point out the drunk dumbass sparty girl that attempted to call me a walmart wolverine after the game, to which I pointed out I am working on my doctorate at Michigan and pulled out my mcard for her. What a freaking moron.