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TV: The League Of Anarchy Is A Bunch Of Justified Mad Men

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Not to date my mother, but she was 9 months old when the show began its run. It's legitimately classic film at this point.

I dunno about TV/Movies, but aren't cars considered "classics" after 20 years? Or is it 25? Pure definition, only, for license plate purposes. What's the parameters for tv/movies?
 
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I dunno about TV/Movies, but aren't cars considered "classics" after 20 years? Or is it 25? Pure definition, only, for license plate purposes. What's the parameters for tv/movies?

Depends. Long-runners (10+ seasons) pretty much instantly go into the classic category upon cancellation. Beyond that, I would say it depends on the impact a show had both in its day, and in the decades that followed.
 
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Depends. Long-runners (10+ seasons) pretty much instantly go into the classic category upon cancellation. Beyond that, I would say it depends on the impact a show had both in its day, and in the decades that followed.

Gotcha. So it's more cultural impact than age, in general. Obviously, Cheers meets both requirements, whereas something like Breaking Bad (and a slew of other newer series; 6-7 seasons seems to be the norm nowadays, on purpose) meets only one of those.
 
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Gotcha. So it's more cultural impact than age, in general. Obviously, Cheers meets both requirements, whereas something like Breaking Bad (and a slew of other newer series; 6-7 seasons seems to be the norm nowadays, on purpose) meets only one of those.

I think it's for the best. Generally speaking, by the time you get to that 6th or 7th season, most shows have peaked. If continued, many have ended up jumping the proverbial shark around that time.
 
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I think it's for the best. Generally speaking, by the time you get to that 6th or 7th season, most shows have peaked. If continued, many have ended up jumping the proverbial shark around that time.

Agreed. I liked Justified's and SOA's decisions to cut their series a season "short" due to that. SOA bloated their last season's eps, rather than stretch out another full season, while Justified just kept it tight and finished the story in one season (no bloated eps).
 
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Excellent episode of Game of Thrones last night. It's TV at its best. In fact, it's so good and so intelligent that sometimes I have a hard time understanding how it got made. Didn't somebody at some point in the process say, "We have to dumb this down -- we're going to lose 90% of the audience."? Maybe dragons and beheadings make up for it; whatever, I'm grateful.
 
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Agreed. I liked Justified's and SOA's decisions to cut their series a season "short" due to that. SOA bloated their last season's eps, rather than stretch out another full season, while Justified just kept it tight and finished the story in one season (no bloated eps).

IMO, we're seeing that now with Mad Men. It seemed like they were going to give Don some major character development at the end of Season 6/first half of Season 7, and now he's basically back to his old, flawed self having learned nothing from his forced leave.
 
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I think it's for the best. Generally speaking, by the time you get to that 6th or 7th season, most shows have peaked. If continued, many have ended up jumping the proverbial shark around that time.

Typically by the 3rd or 4th season the original writing staff has almost completely rotated out. Sometimes that can be a good thing (Star Trek: TNG, Moonlighting), but usually it means the people who made the show brilliant are now all gone, and the show begins the slow spiral towards suck (Cheers, MASH, MTM).
 
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IMO, we're seeing that now with Mad Men. It seemed like they were going to give Don some major character development at the end of Season 6/first half of Season 7, and now he's basically back to his old, flawed self having learned nothing from his forced leave.

I think that may have been true last season, but the first couple episodes of this season he's been starkly different and if anything they've been too heavy on what he's learned. The show has always turned on the recklessness of Don and Roger, and both are over the hump and into their decline (Don now is essentially Roger when we first met him). The fault of the show (or maybe the intent, but it's making life difficult for them now) is they were never able to develop the younger generation into interesting, fully dimensional, people. Peggy was the obvious choice to become the central young character, but her development has been almost non-existent. Even poor battered Joanie has more depth (no jokes!) than she. And of course Pete has been lost in space for years -- though to be fair building his character into a truly multifaceted, complex person you'd want to explore would have taken the exceptional writing of a playwright or a novelist, not a TV writer.
 
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Love this show. The second season(and so far, the first ep of the third season) falls into the typical long-running sci-fi series problem of falling too far down the mythology rabbit hole at times, but it's so worth watching just for the amazing acting performance(s) by Tatiana Maslany. She should win every award.

Her performance has been so good and very nuanced that I think people really lose the fact while watching the show that it's all the same woman playing these roles. How she plays Alison is so very different from Sarah (obviously), but then when she's playing Sarah trying to pass as Alison it would be so easy to just slip into Alison mode that it would make the scene just go bad. Instead, she's Sarah, doing a great impersonation of Alison yet clearly "uncomfortable in her skin" doing it, with stilted motions and halted speach when talking to people - really good acting.
 
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American Odyssey? Anyone else? They seem to be going for the ultimate conspiracy. Not sure if it's going to make for good TV in the end or not.

The Good Wife has really cranked things up the last couple of weeks. I was getting bored but now it's back to being one of the best. Not sure I like them turning everyone's life into a soap opera but I guess that's what TV is all about. Transitional year with the Kalinda character supposedly leaving I heard. Probably my favorite character on the show. See if it survives that with me like Person of Interest did when they offed Carter.

Battle Creek. I'm still not sold on this one. Anyone sold on this one and can convince me?

Can't wait for The Black List on Thursday.

The Following is better this season than last season. Really enjoying it.

Gotham is my favorite new show this season. Never wavers. Always good.

Person of Interest is always in my top 3.
 
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Excellent episode of Game of Thrones last night. It's TV at its best. In fact, it's so good and so intelligent that sometimes I have a hard time understanding how it got made. Didn't somebody at some point in the process say, "We have to dumb this down -- we're going to lose 90% of the audience."? Maybe dragons and beheadings make up for it; whatever, I'm grateful.

And lots of nekkid.
 
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I think it's for the best. Generally speaking, by the time you get to that 6th or 7th season, most shows have peaked. If continued, many have ended up jumping the proverbial shark around that time.

I was amazed when I found out that Happy Days "jumped the shark" before it technically reached the mid point in the series.
 
American Odyssey? Anyone else? They seem to be going for the ultimate conspiracy. Not sure if it's going to make for good TV in the end or not.

The Good Wife has really cranked things up the last couple of weeks. I was getting bored but now it's back to being one of the best. Not sure I like them turning everyone's life into a soap opera but I guess that's what TV is all about. Transitional year with the Kalinda character supposedly leaving I heard. Probably my favorite character on the show. See if it survives that with me like Person of Interest did when they offed Carter.

Battle Creek. I'm still not sold on this one. Anyone sold on this one and can convince me?

Can't wait for The Black List on Thursday.

The Following is better this season than last season. Really enjoying it.

Gotham is my favorite new show this season. Never wavers. Always good.

Person of Interest is always in my top 3.

Odyssey has potential if it doesn't go all conspiracy cliche.

Mrs. P and I lasted through about 15 minutes of Battle Creek and thought it was pure dreck.

Ditto for PofI. It just keeps getting better.
 
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I think that may have been true last season, but the first couple episodes of this season he's been starkly different and if anything they've been too heavy on what he's learned. The show has always turned on the recklessness of Don and Roger, and both are over the hump and into their decline (Don now is essentially Roger when we first met him). The fault of the show (or maybe the intent, but it's making life difficult for them now) is they were never able to develop the younger generation into interesting, fully dimensional, people. Peggy was the obvious choice to become the central young character, but her development has been almost non-existent. Even poor battered Joanie has more depth (no jokes!) than she. And of course Pete has been lost in space for years -- though to be fair building his character into a truly multifaceted, complex person you'd want to explore would have taken the exceptional writing of a playwright or a novelist, not a TV writer.

Agreed. Basically, Don has almost become a ghost. The JAP died, the waitress finally flat-out said no more, Betty's gone, Megan's gone. He basically has nothing left (including furniture!) because of his actions.

I'm sticking with the theory I had a couple seasons back that the Mad Men intro sequence is the actual ending of the show.
 
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Just saw a trailer for the upcoming season of True Detective. It's going to be tough to live up to that first season but man did it get me excited.
 
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I'm sticking with the theory I had a couple seasons back that the Mad Men intro sequence is the actual ending of the show.

Not gonna lie - if I watched 7 seasons just to see Don jump off the roof of a skyscraper, even if it's merely implied and left ambiguous, I'm going to be pi55ed.
 
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Not gonna lie - if I watched 7 seasons just to see Don jump off the roof of a skyscraper, even if it's merely implied and left ambiguous, I'm going to be pi55ed.

To me, it's sorta brilliant in a way. They gave away the ending from the start. Right now, only if it's a dream sequence or a variation of that, will I be mad.

Newest ep: combo creepy and whoa did stories escalate. And for the love of Parise, NO MORE GLEN/BETTY SCENES. Worst. Acting. Ever. And Joan can't be THAT dumb, can she? Unless I'm totally off on this guy...he's just too slick to be true.
 
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To me, it's sorta brilliant in a way. They gave away the ending from the start. Right now, only if it's a dream sequence or a variation of that, will I be mad.

Newest ep: combo creepy and whoa did stories escalate. And for the love of Parise, NO MORE GLEN/BETTY SCENES. Worst. Acting. Ever. And Joan can't be THAT dumb, can she? Unless I'm totally off on this guy...he's just too slick to be true.

You're right. I haven't watched the last several seasons, but I saw a tweet that said that this ending has already been given away this season, by items in the background in Don's office. They're the exact same as the opening sequence now.
 
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To me, it's sorta brilliant in a way. They gave away the ending from the start. Right now, only if it's a dream sequence or a variation of that, will I be mad.

Newest ep: combo creepy and whoa did stories escalate. And for the love of Parise, NO MORE GLEN/BETTY SCENES. Worst. Acting. Ever. And Joan can't be THAT dumb, can she? Unless I'm totally off on this guy...he's just too slick to be true.

He jumps, dies, then wakes up in a hospital bed in Korea.
 
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