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TV 19 - Simpsons Did It

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I actually think it's ridiculous he feels the need to resign over that. Was it a slightly tone deaf comment in 2021? Yes, but losing your job worthy?
 
You don't often keep your job insulting a lot of people who might watch your show in defense of someone who is not worth defending.
 
Slap Shot said:
I actually think it's ridiculous he feels the need to resign over that. Was it a slightly tone deaf comment in 2021? Yes, but losing your job worthy?
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His "job" is being the anodyne hood ornament for a brand. His sole value is as a saccharine persona associated with the show, and he's now a detriment. Of course it's job worthy.
 
Handyman said:
You don't often keep your job insulting a lot of people who might watch your show in defense of someone who is not worth defending.
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I don't believe his comment was so egregious that a simple apology wouldn't suffice:

In the interview, Harrison defended Kirkconnell against what he called the “woke police” on social media. “We all need to have a little grace, a little understanding, a little compassion,” he said in the interview.
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I mean really? Yes he should probably have added context that he didn't agree with what she said or something, but really we're firing people now for that?
 
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I don't believe his comment would insult that many people. Sorry we can agree to disagree but I found it mostly innocuous.
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Condescending dismissal of racial insensitivity, which even the person who did it apologized profusely for, is "mostly innocuous"?

Yeah, we'll disagree.
 
Kepler said:
Condescending dismissal of racial insensitivity, which even the person who did it apologized profusely for, is "mostly innocuous"?

Yeah, we'll disagree.
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Spare me the sanctimony. His comment was clumsy but "condescending dismissal of racial insensitivity"? Whatever.
 
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I mean really? Yes he should probably have added context that he didn't agree with what she said or something, but really we're firing people now for that?
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I think we can all agree the real victims of the history of American racism are contemporary white people.
 
Kepler said:
Why don't you just say I'm "virtue signaling" and get it over with?

We've moved past you. Suck it.
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"We've moved past you". Wait you think I'm a regular defender of racial insensitivity here? And suck it? Really? ffs I don't interpret his comment to be as egregious as you do and that brings out the fangs that easily? jfc
 
Slap Shot said:
"We've moved past you". Wait you think I'm a regular defender of racial insensitivity here? And suck it? Really? ffs I don't interpret his comment to be as egregious as you do and that brings out the fangs that easily? jfc
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I think you are, ON THIS ISSUE, exemplifying the white privileged "I am the objective judge of what constitutes racism and proportionate reprisal" polite middle class liberalism for the last 30 years. The NYT Sunday Supplement reader who decries Jim Crow but goes to the fainting couch over reparations and still has some doubts "about those BLM people."

That's what we've moved past. We no longer are looking to Martha Graham and, well, Joe Biden to tell us what racism is and whether it's significant.

You're too old, it's over, nobody listens to Techno.
Now let's go!
 
Kepler said:
I think you are, ON THIS ISSUE, exemplifying the white privileged "I am the objective judge of what constitutes racism and proportionate reprisal" polite middle class liberalism for the last 30 years. The NYT Sunday Supplement reader who decries Jim Crow but goes to the fainting couch over reparations and still has some doubts "about those BLM people."
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Your problem Kep is you're too quick to pigeonhole people and it's a disservice to the conversation. Perhaps it makes you feel better about yourself, but you come across more a cornered animal than a wise observant. Stick to the actual issue at hand rather than compartmentalizing people. We've never met, likely never will, but let me clear your judgments here (you will likely claim they are merely observations and I assure you they are more) are wrong and off target.
 
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Not trying to come across too harshly, but I'd have thought my commentary here the past 15 years or so acquits me of being considered a closet racist. Peace.
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I'm sorry, I did not mean to suggest you were a racist. My point is that there is a casual white entitlement among very well-meaning liberals that leads us to make judgments about what constitutes racism and what level of severity it is. We don't get to decide that. We get to choose our actions, but if the people on the pain end tell us it hurts then it hurts and its ours to live with.
 
Kepler said:
I'm sorry, I did not mean to suggest you were a racist. My point is that there is a casual white entitlement among very well-meaning liberals that leads us to make judgments about what constitutes racism and what level of severity it is. We don't get to decide that. We get to choose our actions, but if the people on the pain end tell us it hurts then it hurts and its ours to live with.
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I don't disagree with any of that necessarily. He was tone deaf in that moment and spoke without thinking it through first. But I think sometimes it's ok to talk about things first before reflexively demanding blood. Did he exhibit racist tendencies previously? Was there an outcry over his remark from actual minorities rather than 'woke liberals'? Would the black community and/or others have been satisfied with an apology rather than a resignation?

Perhaps he did need to step aside but I think it's an ok conversation to have.
 
Again, my point is that we don't have to be racists to fall into racist actions, because systemic racism is so pervasive. I don't think too many people are left who literally hate black people. But a vast majority of whites operate within stereotypical views of black people that are racist. They view those as empiricism, but they are social messaging that still has the momentum of 300 years of bigotry.

The actual racists like Dump I don't waste my time on. It's the good people who are bigots-by-performance rather than bigots-by-attitude who I want to shake. I'm sure I've done hundreds of racist things in my life out of sheer ignorance and "contact high" bigotry. Just because it doesn't come from inside doesn't mean you're not still doing it -- that's why a racist society is so friggin' awful: it has a life of its own.
 
Final paper: Gonna do it on Dr. Cox around the time Ben died.

But I'll have to watch that episode, and that episode was a gut punch.
 
MissThundercat said:
Final paper: Gonna do it on Dr. Cox around the time Ben died.

But I'll have to watch that episode, and that episode was a gut punch.
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Are you going to watch just that episode or the original Ben episode as well? Are you then going to watch the fallout when he goes off the rails and JD has to save him?

And yeah those are a gut punch. John C. McGinley really crushed it.

Great choice!
 
Handyman said:
Are you going to watch just that episode or the original Ben episode as well? Are you then going to watch the fallout when he goes off the rails and JD has to save him?

And yeah those are a gut punch. John C. McGinley really crushed it.

Great choice!
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My other thought with Cox was when he loses 3 patients in a day along with the episode where they're all wearing "Welcome Back Coxer!" shirts.
 
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