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TV 19 - Simpsons Did It
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It gave me so much anxiety
Kepler
Cornell Big Red
Yeah, the show is not good for my mental health, but I love it and I marvel at the acting.
Proud2baLaker
Master of Science
Music is top notch too.
I may be biased because my favorite band, Wilco, has several songs featured.
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dxmnkd316
Lucia Apologist
Camus?
Deutsche Gopher Fan
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Harlan Coben. Read it on vacation one year
Proud2baLaker
Master of Science
That was nuts. The music in the background, Spiders (Kidsmoke) by Wilco really added to the the chaos of it all.
unofan
Well-known member
The Sandman on Netflix is pretty good, at least 2 episodes in. Wife & I started watching it while Alchemy of Souls is on a one-week hiatus (which itself has finally started picking up - there were a couple of filler episodes early on but the plot is really moving now).
Spartanforlife4
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Better Call Saul finale was fitting. Didn't come close to Breaking Bad for me, but it worked.
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Disappointed that some of the earlier hints they dropped at him escaping, like the extra license plate and diamonds, didn't end up contributing to anything. Marion got his plate so he didn't have time to change it out before they got to his place and he had no time to sell off the diamonds for cash. Usually when this writing team makes a point to show things like that, they play a role later on. I wonder if the ending, or at least the episodes leading to the ending, was going to be different before the actor for the Disappearer died.
I think the bus chant scene may be the worst scene in the BB universe. I get the message it was pushing, but man, we're five minutes from the series ending and this is how we're going to show he's permanently stuck as Saul to the public? It was so out of the norm that when they cut to the bread mixing I legitimately thought they were going to go with a daydream sequence and he was back at Cinnabon.
I think it would've been interesting to end the series with the seven year plea. Show that he wasn't going to change. But that would've left Kim hanging, so I get why they went the direction they did.
Still wondering what the "never before seen" ending was supposed to be. Now that the series finished, I'm guessing that there was an epilogue. But, I could see it being that they actually made two finales. Like I posted earlier about the "Saul doesn't know the show's over" theory, I think Nippy makes a compelling case for an alternate series finale. He runs one last scheme, retires the Saul and Slippin' Jimmy personas, and goes on as Gene at Cinnabon. Albeit a fairly lonely life unless he goes on to be actual friends with Jeff and Marion, but still, that ending showed change.
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Disappointed that some of the earlier hints they dropped at him escaping, like the extra license plate and diamonds, didn't end up contributing to anything. Marion got his plate so he didn't have time to change it out before they got to his place and he had no time to sell off the diamonds for cash. Usually when this writing team makes a point to show things like that, they play a role later on. I wonder if the ending, or at least the episodes leading to the ending, was going to be different before the actor for the Disappearer died.
I think the bus chant scene may be the worst scene in the BB universe. I get the message it was pushing, but man, we're five minutes from the series ending and this is how we're going to show he's permanently stuck as Saul to the public? It was so out of the norm that when they cut to the bread mixing I legitimately thought they were going to go with a daydream sequence and he was back at Cinnabon.
I think it would've been interesting to end the series with the seven year plea. Show that he wasn't going to change. But that would've left Kim hanging, so I get why they went the direction they did.
Still wondering what the "never before seen" ending was supposed to be. Now that the series finished, I'm guessing that there was an epilogue. But, I could see it being that they actually made two finales. Like I posted earlier about the "Saul doesn't know the show's over" theory, I think Nippy makes a compelling case for an alternate series finale. He runs one last scheme, retires the Saul and Slippin' Jimmy personas, and goes on as Gene at Cinnabon. Albeit a fairly lonely life unless he goes on to be actual friends with Jeff and Marion, but still, that ending showed change.
Handyman
Hug someone you care about...
I actually disagree with everything you posted...the finale saved what was a pretty boring last few episodes. And it was not nearly the fan faction that a lot of the fans were hoping for (and got with BB in some respects) which in my mind made it even better.
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As I said before, Kim was the only link to Jimmy and part of him was always going to protect her and I think it was perfect they had it end that way as well. And even though Jimmy did the right thing and Kim ended up better because of it, it doesn't matter Saul ruined everything and he will never be able to fix that. It is the only way it truly can end with him behind bars and her moving on with her life.
The lack of escape was what they were hinting at all along people just weren't paying attention. Every decision he made leading up to it lead there. He knew he was made and didn't leave. He knew he should keep a low profile and he ran tons of scams. He knew he should not risk going back to Cancer Guy's house but did so anyways. He backed himself into a corner and any escape would have been forced and not really believable. Plus it would have tied up no loose ends. He could never admit his regrets until he saw Kim again in court and that was built up all episode.
The bus scene annoyed me, but only until I realized it wasn't going to be either him getting killed or escaping. He was going to be fine because everyone knew who he was and loved him. He finally got what he wanted, to be the cock of the walk. Saul won, and ended up exactly where he was supposed to going back to the beginning. He always found a way to avoid jail, now he was in one of the worst but he was almost like a made man there so it didn't even matter.
I don't think there is an epilogue or any sort of alternate ending that is all meta like some fans are praying for. Gene working at Cinnabon was a prison for Saul and what's worse was he couldn't be himself. Now he is living the same life only he gets to revel in who he truly was...Saul Goodman. He probably feels better in prison than he ever did in Nebraska, and he doesn't have to look over his shoulder anymore and sweat what could be coming. Honestly, I am not sure what they meant by "never seen before" but my guess is it is that there is no real ending. He will die decades from now in federal prison, Kim will likely get out of her crappy life in Florida and life will just move on. He doesn't get whacked, he doesn't escape, there is no tying up the ending in a cute little bow. Jimmy did the right thing and Saul is behind bars. The. End.
If we are going to be honest, I think the final season was 4 episodes too long. I am sure we will hear they had this all planned out for years but I don't think so, I think they lost the script for a bit and floundered trying to get to a conclusion that would not feel like BB did. They stuck the landing but it was a rough ride. There are things I think they could have paced out better, but I prefer where we sit after the finale than I thought I would and it is certainly better than that dreck that was El Camino.
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As I said before, Kim was the only link to Jimmy and part of him was always going to protect her and I think it was perfect they had it end that way as well. And even though Jimmy did the right thing and Kim ended up better because of it, it doesn't matter Saul ruined everything and he will never be able to fix that. It is the only way it truly can end with him behind bars and her moving on with her life.
The lack of escape was what they were hinting at all along people just weren't paying attention. Every decision he made leading up to it lead there. He knew he was made and didn't leave. He knew he should keep a low profile and he ran tons of scams. He knew he should not risk going back to Cancer Guy's house but did so anyways. He backed himself into a corner and any escape would have been forced and not really believable. Plus it would have tied up no loose ends. He could never admit his regrets until he saw Kim again in court and that was built up all episode.
The bus scene annoyed me, but only until I realized it wasn't going to be either him getting killed or escaping. He was going to be fine because everyone knew who he was and loved him. He finally got what he wanted, to be the cock of the walk. Saul won, and ended up exactly where he was supposed to going back to the beginning. He always found a way to avoid jail, now he was in one of the worst but he was almost like a made man there so it didn't even matter.
I don't think there is an epilogue or any sort of alternate ending that is all meta like some fans are praying for. Gene working at Cinnabon was a prison for Saul and what's worse was he couldn't be himself. Now he is living the same life only he gets to revel in who he truly was...Saul Goodman. He probably feels better in prison than he ever did in Nebraska, and he doesn't have to look over his shoulder anymore and sweat what could be coming. Honestly, I am not sure what they meant by "never seen before" but my guess is it is that there is no real ending. He will die decades from now in federal prison, Kim will likely get out of her crappy life in Florida and life will just move on. He doesn't get whacked, he doesn't escape, there is no tying up the ending in a cute little bow. Jimmy did the right thing and Saul is behind bars. The. End.
If we are going to be honest, I think the final season was 4 episodes too long. I am sure we will hear they had this all planned out for years but I don't think so, I think they lost the script for a bit and floundered trying to get to a conclusion that would not feel like BB did. They stuck the landing but it was a rough ride. There are things I think they could have paced out better, but I prefer where we sit after the finale than I thought I would and it is certainly better than that dreck that was El Camino.
Deutsche Gopher Fan
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I loved it.
the second to last scene in particular was moving.
the second to last scene in particular was moving.
Kepler
Cornell Big Red
Saw the pilot, am willing to give it a chance.
Kepler
Cornell Big Red
That scene kicked my as-s.
I approve of the finale.
And I can think of no better symbol for transcendent goodness than Carol Burnett.
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Deutsche Gopher Fan
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Same I was just worried about saying who was in scene in case anyone here freaked about spoilers
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Kepler
Cornell Big Red
Good point, I have cut it; feel free to cut it from the quote.
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I loved all the flashbacks. The Chuck one is so powerful because (1) the pathos, (2) how painful it is for both of them, (3) how the two of them are the same in so many ways. Jimmy killed Chuck and Chuck deserved it. That they each could inspire some amount of homage is a testament to how we can ignore the fundamental awfulness of people if we like some inhuman quality about them. But fuck that, they were monsters.
"Oh. So you were always like this." sums up Jimmy perfectly. Jimmy always was Saul. There is no difference.
Jimmy belongs in supermax for life, away from people he can hurt. If he can figure out a way to work it in there then great. He is with his own. I appreciate what he did for Kim at the end, but he's still a monumental piece of trash just like Walter White. This universe is over, bury it like Howard's corpse.
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Handyman
Hug someone you care about...
I read an interview with one of the creators and it is blatantly obvious the fan fiction writers thought way too much about where the show was going. He also basically confirmed they had no idea where it was going until late in the process.
A couple good tidbits:
The idea of the flashbacks was similar in idea to Ebenezer Scrooge. Three Ghosts from his past to show who he really is and what he is.
In the script they go out if their way to label him based on what the scene is and who he is supposed to be. His lines are labelled "Gene" until he sees the "My Lawyer will reem your ass" or whatever on the wall and then there is a note how he becomes Saul again. Saul asks for the phone call. Then as he confesses he is credited as Jimmy, before he calls himself that. Each character gets their closure and time to shine.
He kind of implies that if Kim had not repented Saul would have taken the deal. He saw she did the right thing and so Jimmy chose to as well. Now she is back to living a good life and Saul is where he belongs.
A couple good tidbits:
The idea of the flashbacks was similar in idea to Ebenezer Scrooge. Three Ghosts from his past to show who he really is and what he is.
In the script they go out if their way to label him based on what the scene is and who he is supposed to be. His lines are labelled "Gene" until he sees the "My Lawyer will reem your ass" or whatever on the wall and then there is a note how he becomes Saul again. Saul asks for the phone call. Then as he confesses he is credited as Jimmy, before he calls himself that. Each character gets their closure and time to shine.
He kind of implies that if Kim had not repented Saul would have taken the deal. He saw she did the right thing and so Jimmy chose to as well. Now she is back to living a good life and Saul is where he belongs.
Deutsche Gopher Fan
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Watching two episode Netflix show about manti teo. What a story
Jimjamesak
Already insane, UAA making it worse
Kepler
Cornell Big Red
Slick is the opposite of what Wednesday is supposed to be, and the on-beat-perfect-corporate-Disney pacing is a desecration of Charles Addams, but meh, better than another MCU pile. Let us know.
French Rage
NICKERSON HAS [CENSORED]
Man, these streaming services are going to hate hearing how someone they didn't expect to watch their stuff won't in fact watch their stuff. Impotent posturing will surely be their downfall.
ScoobyDoo
NPC
Looks awesome. I will be checking it out.
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