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Trump First Term I: I for One Welcome Our New Trumpy Overlord
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walrus
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Handyman
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Re: Trump First Term I: I for One Welcome Our New Trumpy Overlord
Rover didnt stay home. I didnt stay home. (I voted early)
If you want to know who stayed home, it was not the people saying it was a lock. It was the people who felt the need to give the finger to the system. (same with those that voted 3rd party) It was the Dems that didnt like Clinton and the undecideds who didnt like either. That is why the margin is as close as it is there may only be 5-10% of people who were on the fence but most of them stayed home and that changed everything.
The rest of the ones who stayed home are the lazy potzkers in places like Washington and Oregon who are now protesting. They didnt count anyways.
33% of the eligible voters stayed home and screwed us all. Part of that though is that we had two candidates no one liked outside of rich bankers and racist/misogynist dickwads.
Rover didnt stay home. I didnt stay home. (I voted early)
If you want to know who stayed home, it was not the people saying it was a lock. It was the people who felt the need to give the finger to the system. (same with those that voted 3rd party) It was the Dems that didnt like Clinton and the undecideds who didnt like either. That is why the margin is as close as it is there may only be 5-10% of people who were on the fence but most of them stayed home and that changed everything.
The rest of the ones who stayed home are the lazy potzkers in places like Washington and Oregon who are now protesting. They didnt count anyways.
33% of the eligible voters stayed home and screwed us all. Part of that though is that we had two candidates no one liked outside of rich bankers and racist/misogynist dickwads.
rufus
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Re: Trump First Term I: I for One Welcome Our New Trumpy Overlord
Except Republicans' idea of working with Democrats is for the Democrats to bend over and give them everything they want, and it's all good.
Except Republicans' idea of working with Democrats is for the Democrats to bend over and give them everything they want, and it's all good.
rufus
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Re: Trump First Term I: I for One Welcome Our New Trumpy Overlord
Well there's your problem, you listen to talk radio.
Well there's your problem, you listen to talk radio.
rufus
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Re: Trump First Term I: I for One Welcome Our New Trumpy Overlord
Well you could just keep the estate tax as is, or maybe back to what it was before Bush. If I'm not mistaken, only .2% of American inheritances fall subject to the estate tax anyway. Even if you jigger that to go up to 1 or 2%, I don't see the issue. But then again, I'm not one of the 1% who rule this country.
Well you could just keep the estate tax as is, or maybe back to what it was before Bush. If I'm not mistaken, only .2% of American inheritances fall subject to the estate tax anyway. Even if you jigger that to go up to 1 or 2%, I don't see the issue. But then again, I'm not one of the 1% who rule this country.
I think both parties are guilty of this. It's why we're so far in debt and our infrastructure is falling apart.
There is a difference between using obstruction as a political tool on occasion and using it as your North Star.
FadeToBlack&Gold
Microlot Marxist
Re: Trump First Term I: I for One Welcome Our New Trumpy Overlord
My problem with vouchers is, even in your income limit scenario, it steals taxpayer money from poor districts and gives it to richer ones (or preps/charters). What competent teacher wants to work in a poor, urban pubbie district where all the talented kids have bolted for schools in wealthier (dare I say, whiter) areas, and the district has lost that money? It just further dooms the poor to staying poor.
So they leave for the preppies and charters, who pay them even less because they don't have to hire union teachers, and can also lead to them getting fired much more easily. Conservatives always argue that this weeds out lazy/incompetent teachers (whom they always think number in the thousands) and rewards the "good" ones, but the reality is that the number of truly incompetent teachers I had in my entire K-12 career, I can count on one hand.
Vouchers are never about the kids. They're all about attacking teachers' unions, and encouraging migration to religiously-affiliated private schools.
My problem with vouchers is, even in your income limit scenario, it steals taxpayer money from poor districts and gives it to richer ones (or preps/charters). What competent teacher wants to work in a poor, urban pubbie district where all the talented kids have bolted for schools in wealthier (dare I say, whiter) areas, and the district has lost that money? It just further dooms the poor to staying poor.
So they leave for the preppies and charters, who pay them even less because they don't have to hire union teachers, and can also lead to them getting fired much more easily. Conservatives always argue that this weeds out lazy/incompetent teachers (whom they always think number in the thousands) and rewards the "good" ones, but the reality is that the number of truly incompetent teachers I had in my entire K-12 career, I can count on one hand.
Vouchers are never about the kids. They're all about attacking teachers' unions, and encouraging migration to religiously-affiliated private schools.
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Re: Trump First Term I: I for One Welcome Our New Trumpy Overlord
That is kind of what happened in Minneapolis. The NAACP fought for open enrollment so underprivileged students could transfer from Minneapolis North to better schools for better opportunities. They did, and so many left that Minneapolis closed North and the NAACP then had to fight to to keep it open. It is doing better now...
That is kind of what happened in Minneapolis. The NAACP fought for open enrollment so underprivileged students could transfer from Minneapolis North to better schools for better opportunities. They did, and so many left that Minneapolis closed North and the NAACP then had to fight to to keep it open. It is doing better now...
unofan
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You may think so, but once again your truthiness is wrong.
dxmnkd316
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Re: Trump First Term I: I for One Welcome Our New Trumpy Overlord
There were three things that have prevented me from voting for Republicans this election:
1. Being the party of antiscience. They don't care about science.
2. Being the party of 'no.'
3. Progressively becoming more and more racist each election.
What started this slide away from conservatism was the realization that they just don't care about the little guy. I'm fairly well off and I will still never benefit from their economic principles. The moment I realized that, it was a hard left turn from being moderately conservative to moderately liberal. I still believe that we should be looking to trim where we can, but I can't vote for another Republican again until the left goes off the deep end.
There were three things that have prevented me from voting for Republicans this election:
1. Being the party of antiscience. They don't care about science.
2. Being the party of 'no.'
3. Progressively becoming more and more racist each election.
What started this slide away from conservatism was the realization that they just don't care about the little guy. I'm fairly well off and I will still never benefit from their economic principles. The moment I realized that, it was a hard left turn from being moderately conservative to moderately liberal. I still believe that we should be looking to trim where we can, but I can't vote for another Republican again until the left goes off the deep end.
FadeToBlack&Gold
Microlot Marxist
Re: Trump First Term I: I for One Welcome Our New Trumpy Overlord
This. Sort of.
For me, it started when I came to the conclusion that the Judeo-Christian-Islamic concept of "God" is just an illusion created to scare/control people. That peeled away any reason to continue supporting Republicans on social issues. So I became a libertarian for a few years, until I started realizing that they're both full of sh*t on economics.
I don't care about another ~$1,000 in my bank account when Richard Fromage III down in Bloomfield Hills is getting another $100,000+ in his, thanks to economic conservatives' insistence on failed trickle-down principles.
The argument that the middle class and working class will see any net positive income increases from reduced corporate tax rates is also a crock. It'll just go into higher profits, or hiring more minimum wage workers. It's how the system works.
This. Sort of.
For me, it started when I came to the conclusion that the Judeo-Christian-Islamic concept of "God" is just an illusion created to scare/control people. That peeled away any reason to continue supporting Republicans on social issues. So I became a libertarian for a few years, until I started realizing that they're both full of sh*t on economics.
I don't care about another ~$1,000 in my bank account when Richard Fromage III down in Bloomfield Hills is getting another $100,000+ in his, thanks to economic conservatives' insistence on failed trickle-down principles.
The argument that the middle class and working class will see any net positive income increases from reduced corporate tax rates is also a crock. It'll just go into higher profits, or hiring more minimum wage workers. It's how the system works.
rufus
rock and roller
Re: Trump First Term I: I for One Welcome Our New Trumpy Overlord
And, funnel public(taxpayer) money into the hands of private corporations.
And, funnel public(taxpayer) money into the hands of private corporations.
FadeToBlack&Gold
Microlot Marxist
Re: Trump First Term I: I for One Welcome Our New Trumpy Overlord
Well, in the case of charter schools, yes.
With vouchers, it's like choosing between pancreatic cancer and lung cancer.
EDIT:
OK, that's harsh. I retract that.
If I had to choose, I'd rather see voucher kids attend the private schools, even if they are religiously-affiliated - some of them are excellent schools, despite the indoctrination (I attended one, and I'm hardly a stark raving Opus Dei lunatic
).
Charter schools are just shady as fck - a veiled attempt to get rid of unions, as is the case with Detroit/DPS charter schools. With the religious ones, at least they have principles, even if some of those principles are incorrect.
Well, in the case of charter schools, yes.
With vouchers, it's like choosing between pancreatic cancer and lung cancer.
EDIT:
OK, that's harsh. I retract that.
If I had to choose, I'd rather see voucher kids attend the private schools, even if they are religiously-affiliated - some of them are excellent schools, despite the indoctrination (I attended one, and I'm hardly a stark raving Opus Dei lunatic
). Charter schools are just shady as fck - a veiled attempt to get rid of unions, as is the case with Detroit/DPS charter schools. With the religious ones, at least they have principles, even if some of those principles are incorrect.
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mookie1995
there's a good buck in that racket.
Re: Trump First Term I: I for One Welcome Our New Trumpy Overlord
has to be with the set up. charters are loved here. people are killing themselves to get in there. with the ballot question couple weeks ago it was brought up how everywhere else these are frowned upon.
strange.
has to be with the set up. charters are loved here. people are killing themselves to get in there. with the ballot question couple weeks ago it was brought up how everywhere else these are frowned upon.
strange.
rufus
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Re: Trump First Term I: I for One Welcome Our New Trumpy Overlord
As far as I've seen, most charter schools, maybe not the unaffiliated ones set up here and there, but the ones where they have dozens or even more set up and run by the same organization, are just one big grift.
As far as I've seen, most charter schools, maybe not the unaffiliated ones set up here and there, but the ones where they have dozens or even more set up and run by the same organization, are just one big grift.
FadeToBlack&Gold
Microlot Marxist
Re: Trump First Term I: I for One Welcome Our New Trumpy Overlord
Strange, indeed...
Hipsters move in, spurring growth in a city that isn't cool. City gets cool and hipsters leave, going square and having kids elsewhere (Royal Oak/Plymouth/Farmington/Rochester, or they leave the state altogether). Detroit continues to have issues with a paying tax base and public school funding.
Detroit is not "coming back" for anyone except young d-bags or local yuppies.
Strange, indeed...
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Hipsters move in, spurring growth in a city that isn't cool. City gets cool and hipsters leave, going square and having kids elsewhere (Royal Oak/Plymouth/Farmington/Rochester, or they leave the state altogether). Detroit continues to have issues with a paying tax base and public school funding.
Detroit is not "coming back" for anyone except young d-bags or local yuppies.
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