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Trump First Term I: I for One Welcome Our New Trumpy Overlord

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Kepler said:
It is starting to look like Trump is not going to do anything except cut his personal taxes and zero out the estate tax.

OTOH, the Republicans will do plenty. Guess who that will hurt the most? Here's a hint.

Suckers.
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Is orange (lol) a density of people who voted for Trump and Obama?
 
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I think everyone should find Jon Stewart's interview with Charlie Rose from CBS This Morning...he really nails it in my humble opinion.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
Sure. I can hardly wait for the, "that isn't what I voted for" whining to commence.
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In a way, it's funny. Liberals will be, for the most part, OK. Highly educated, smaller families, higher savings and more savvy about personal finance in general, we'll be hurt by systemic problems the GOP may cause (runaway inflation and interests rates, turmoil in the bond market, perhaps global thermonuclear depression) but generally speaking we're careful and smart and we'll be OK.

People of color will be treated like sh-t, but they're basically treated like sh-t now anyway. The same slack-jawed dullards are harassing them, only now they will be not just local cops but also federal.

And as Joe Six Pack sees his safety net destroyed he's going to get terrified. And no matter how many Mexicans and Muslims get beaten up or arrested or deported, his life is only going to suck worse and worse.

The True Believers won't waiver. It'll be the n-ggers' fault no matter what for them. But guys with blue collar jobs who weren't racist but just didn't believe racism was real anymore -- those guys are the ones who are going to be butthurt.
 
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Handyman said:
I think everyone should find Jon Stewart's interview with Charlie Rose from CBS This Morning...he really nails it in my humble opinion.
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I saw it. I vehemently disagree with him on the election.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
I saw it. I vehemently disagree with him on the election.
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Really? What's to disagree about? From that clip at least I think what he said was non-controversial to the point of being almost empty.

This election was a middle finger to, in order:

1) Hillary
2) Washington (both parties)
3) The media
4) "That guy who thinks he's better'n me!"

One of the mechanisms of real democracy is the vote allows the people to replace their representatives if they don't like them. That's what this election did. In that regard, for those people, it's a success. It may have disastrous consequences because the guy who now gets that power is a narcissist with the mind and impulse control of a four-year old, and the party which gains by this is a cynical parasite that doesn't care if it destroys its host. But the election itself was exactly what the Founders designed: revolution without a drop of blood spilled.

Look around the world and that's still kinda a miracle.
 
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Kepler said:
Really? What's to disagree about? From that clip at least I think what he said was non-controversial to the point of being almost empty.

This election was a middle finger to, in order:

1) Hillary
2) Washington (both parties)
3) The media
4) "That guy who thinks he's better'n me!"

One of the mechanisms of real democracy is the vote allows the people to replace their representatives if they don't like them. That's what this election did. In that regard, for those people, it's a success. It may have disastrous consequences because the guy who now gets that power is a narcissist with the mind and impulse control of a four-year old, and the party which gains by this is a cynical parasite that doesn't care if it destroys its host. But the election itself was exactly what the Founders designed: revolution without a drop of blood spilled.

Look around the world and that's still kinda a miracle.
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I disagree with it because he/it implies that people don't know what they're voting for when they vote. They do know. If they didn't know they wouldn't have been afraid to tell the pollsters the truth and we would have had accurate polling.
 
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Kepler said:
I'm shocked by MD. That's something I can help with.
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I'm curious. Is there a good reason to not have protections that I'm not thinking about? Because I don't want to be blinded by horrific crimes and not see something that is also important.

Take the sexual predators that have been held unconstitutionally in Minnesota for years. These are the worst of the worst but they were having their rights violated. Rapists, pedophiles, and sexual predators still have rights and I want to make sure these kinds of laws don't trample them.
 
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Kepler said:
Really? What's to disagree about? From that clip at least I think what he said was non-controversial to the point of being almost empty.

This election was a middle finger to, in order:

1) Hillary
2) Washington (both parties)
3) The media
4) "That guy who thinks he's better'n me!"

One of the mechanisms of real democracy is the vote allows the people to replace their representatives if they don't like them. That's what this election did. In that regard, for those people, it's a success. It may have disastrous consequences because the guy who now gets that power is a narcissist with the mind and impulse control of a four-year old, and the party which gains by this is a cynical parasite that doesn't care if it destroys its host. But the election itself was exactly what the Founders designed: revolution without a drop of blood spilled.

Look around the world and that's still kinda a miracle.
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+1
 
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Kepler said:
Really? What's to disagree about? From that clip at least I think what he said was non-controversial to the point of being almost empty.

This election was a middle finger to, in order:

1) Hillary
2) Washington (both parties)
3) The media
4) "That guy who thinks he's better'n me!"

One of the mechanisms of real democracy is the vote allows the people to replace their representatives if they don't like them. That's what this election did. In that regard, for those people, it's a success. It may have disastrous consequences because the guy who now gets that power is a narcissist with the mind and impulse control of a four-year old, and the party which gains by this is a cynical parasite that doesn't care if it destroys its host. But the election itself was exactly what the Founders designed: revolution without a drop of blood spilled.

Look around the world and that's still kinda a miracle.
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Except it didn't replace their representatives. It replaced one big one, who was gonna be replaced anyway, and a few little ones. Nothing else changed, and for those in Washington, it's just business as usual, implementing the Repub plan to give millionaires tax cuts, screw everyone else, and destroy the social safety net.
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
I'm curious. Is there a good reason to not have protections that I'm not thinking about? Because I don't want to be blinded by horrific crimes and not see something that is also important.

Take the sexual predators that have been held unconstitutionally in Minnesota for years. These are the worst of the worst but they were having their rights violated. Rapists, pedophiles, and sexual predators still have rights and I want to make sure these kinds of laws don't trample them.
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I really have no idea, but as always am willing to speculate.

It might be a combination of things. First, I think a person's parental rights are protected by the Constitution. Second, what is the standard going to be? Do you have to have a conviction, or is a simple charge of rape enough. I could certainly envision a situation where a woman could use a rape charge if her goal was to keep an old boyfriend out of her new baby's life. Thus, I would assume you'd need some sort of adjudication of rape if you want to start terminating parental rights.

Third, I think normally a termination of parental rights also terminates an obligation to provide child support, so you'd have to have the law address that issue or force the mother to pay the cost of raising the unwanted child alone.

It seems like kind of "no-brainer" rule, but when thinking through the application of it there are probably a lot of moving parts and some of the states have just chosen not to take that step, relying upon a judge to basically keep the rapist out of the kid's life even without a statutory requirement.
 
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SJHovey said:
I really have no idea, but as always am willing to speculate.

It might be a combination of things. First, I think a person's parental rights are protected by the Constitution. Second, what is the standard going to be? Do you have to have a conviction, or is a simple charge of rape enough. I could certainly envision a situation where a woman could use a rape charge if her goal was to keep an old boyfriend out of her new baby's life. Thus, I would assume you'd need some sort of adjudication of rape if you want to start terminating parental rights.

Third, I think normally a termination of parental rights also terminates an obligation to provide child support, so you'd have to have the law address that issue or force the mother to pay the cost of raising the unwanted child alone.

It seems like kind of "no-brainer" rule, but when thinking through the application of it there are probably a lot of moving parts and some of the states have just chosen not to take that step, relying upon a judge to basically keep the rapist out of the kid's life even without a statutory requirement.
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Thank you.

I think this is a very fair assessment. I think the bolded part is what I was worried about as well. It's why I referenced Minnesota's sex offenders' case. The easy answer is to say 'let them rot' or 'chop off their balls.' It's important we always step back and look at both the forest and the trees, especially in cases where it seems so easy to throw them in a pit.
 
RENCEB said:
Let's make sure we are comparing apples to apples here. IIRC, the Obama administration's definition of "deportation" included those turned back within a certain distance from the border, even if still in Mexico. Is/was that the same definition applied to the Bush's? Seems like a pretty "liberal" definition of the term.
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I admit, I have no idea where these numbers came from. It was a stat I read a couple of years ago and thought it was interesting. And I did read the immigration courts are busier. But, I am also aware one can take numbers and stats and twist them any which way to prove their side of the debate.
 
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Reports are Trump has named former DoD Intelligence chief, Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn as his National Security Advisor.
 
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He has waaaay to much of a war-boner for my taste. He seems way too much like Bruce Willis in The Siege.
 
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RENCEB said:
Let's make sure we are comparing apples to apples here. IIRC, the Obama administration's definition of "deportation" included those turned back within a certain distance from the border, even if still in Mexico. Is/was that the same definition applied to the Bush's? Seems like a pretty "liberal" definition of the term.
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ScoobyDoo said:
George W. Bush didn't count money spent on the Iraq war in his budgets. Obama put it all in there. It's called being accountable vs. not being accountable. American's much prefer the latter.
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I probably should have used the term "broad interpretation" rather than trying to make a pun with the term "liberal". I'm a numbers guy, so I like things to be measured on the same basis (and related to the issue of deportation/"exclusion", it is not a straightforward answer):

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...***ed-lies-and-obamas-deportation-statistics/
 
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