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Travel 4: All Around the World Same Song

Interesting board at IST

departure cities scroll through in English/ Turkish/ Arabic / Hindi / Hebrew / Farsi.
no flights up to Far East so can’t verify any of those languages.
 
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There is absolutely no way I could distinguish Farsi from Arabic. Which I know is like saying French from German, or Russian from Serbian, so sue me.
 
Kepler said:
There is absolutely no way I could distinguish Farsi from Arabic. Which I know is like saying French from German, or Russian from Serbian, so sue me.
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Take a picture and use google translate like mookie does :)

add Russian and Korean
 
mookie1995 said:
Interesting board at IST

departure cities scroll through in English/ Turkish/ Arabic / Hindi / Hebrew / Farsi.
no flights up to Far East so can’t verify any of those languages.
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This makes me wonder, what is the most international city? Cities that are entrepots and are membranes between cultures.

First thought nominees:

New York
Istanbul
Hong Kong
Singapore
Paris
Beirut
London maybe?
Shanghai?
Bangkok?
Abu Dhabi?

Am I missing obvious ones? Does Africa have an international city? Cairo? Dar es Salaam?
 
London has people of all different colors.
everywhere and in all roles.
shanghai is Chinese but perhaps due to the sheer number of Chinese.
lack of flights between SA and Asia May hurt those continents.
dubai is less conservative than Abu Dhabi, so that would be one to consider but Islam invites a large (largest?) religion groups yet retards the growth of others.
thai language is a fuck so that hurts global residents but not vacationers
cairo is tough with politics and economic conditions.
HK is so congested and being overrun with Chinese chinaness now. Mookie would not look to move there next due to that. Fuck the Chinese govt.

mookie would go with London.
one can get a direct flight from anywhere to go there.
maybe Brexit turns the screw, but anyone can go there and find a cultural community if they get homesick and still have opportunities to assimilate
 
mookie1995 said:
anyone can go there and find a cultural community if they get homesick and still have opportunities to assimilate
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I think that is closest to what I am looking for when I think of an international city. But for people, not the rich. The rich are internationalized everywhere except for some parochial, xenophobic backwaters (Dallas, Moscow, Beijing, Tokyo, Sydney, Mexico City).
 
Tbilisi and Addis Ababa come up in local alphabets.

mookie wanted to see AA. If for nothing more than a weekend of coffee runs at local cafes.
 
Kepler said:
I think that is closest to what I am looking for when I think of an international city. But for people, not the rich. The rich are internationalized everywhere except for some parochial, xenophobic backwaters (Dallas, Moscow, Beijing, Tokyo, Sydney, Mexico City).
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Definitely London, and I don't even think it's close. We've been running the world for 80 years, so our big cities are pretty multicultural. England OWNED the world for 300 years, and they basically had only one city at the time.
 
LynahFan said:
Definitely London, and I don't even think it's close. We've been running the world for 80 years, so our big cities are pretty multicultural. England OWNED the world for 300 years, and they basically had only one city at the time.
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Maybe Amsterdam then too.

The thing is, DC has run the world for 80 years, and take it from me, it is NOT an international city. There is a difference between power and culture. San Francisco and New Orleans, with absolutely no global power or influence, are the only other cosmopolitan cities in the US.

But I'll agree London was permeated by all the culture it swiped.

I have no idea about: Berlin, Vienna, Madrid.

Maybe Montreal. Isfahan? Baghdad? Alexandria?
 
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Vienna no, it didn’t feel very international to me at all.

Berlin yes, from its history and then large immigrant population.

Amsterdam is, just nowhere near London.

To me, Barcelona felt more international than Madrid
 
Berlin is very international, to the point that you're actually better off eating non-German food there (I know Kep will say you're better off doing that everywhere, but he's allowed to be wrong :p). Amsterdam is also quite international. Montreal is lovely - a great food & culture city, a little piece of Europe in North America - but has just enough of a 'tude about speaking languages other than French to not qualify as international in my book. Quelle surprise, immigrants and their ethnic restaurants are better about being welcoming to non/bad French speakers, but that's the same in every region with a dominant language.

SFO has plenty of economic power, just not much political power, and nowhere near as much cultural power as they think they do.
 
London is very cosmopolitan but it's 1a and 1b with New York and Dubai is right there. Don't sleep on Amsterdam, Milan, Brussels, Toronto, Miami and Sydney either. Perhaps LA and SF too? Sadly I've not spent any significant amount of time in either of those.

Bangkok would qualify if you counted tourists, but imho that's not the same thing.
 
Kepler said:
Maybe Amsterdam then too.

The thing is, DC has run the world for 80 years, and take it from me, it is NOT an international city. There is a difference between power and culture. San Francisco and New Orleans, with absolutely no global power or influence, are the only other cosmopolitan cities in the US.

But I'll agree London was permeated by all the culture it swiped.

I have no idea about: Berlin, Vienna, Madrid.

Maybe Montreal. Isfahan? Baghdad? Alexandria?
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Alexandria in Egypt? Absolutely! Gorgeous place with influences from all over. Very secular too. I loved it :^)
 
Seriously, go back and read the first page of the first 10-20 posts from this thread…after the Whioux cap crap, that is. This started in January 2020, and Wuhan came up.
 
Slap Shot said:
London is very cosmopolitan but it's 1a and 1b with New York and Dubai is right there. Don't sleep on Amsterdam, Milan, Brussels, Toronto, Miami and Sydney either. Perhaps LA and SF too? Sadly I've not spent any significant amount of time in either of those.

Bangkok would qualify if you counted tourists, but imho that's not the same thing.
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Nothing personal, but Miami is a fucking dump. A literal smelly dump. LIke, NY and Paris smell like p-ss, but Miami was the only city I visited that smelled like an open landfill. Nothing there was worth going back. I've had better Cuban sandwiches in Prescott, Wisconsin.

Otherwise agree on Amsterdam, Toronto, SF. I think all of them are excellent cities. I'd also put Chicago up there. I know that chaps a lot of people's asses, but I love Chicago.
LA I don't think so. Just the ritziest parts. Most of the city is a shithole and they've got a police force that's a literal gang.

Kepler, I loved Vienna but barely remember Madrid. Berlin was probably great, but because it was a weird stopover in the middle of our trip I didn't get a great chance to really experience it. Not sure I buy New Orleans either. It had its time in the past, but now it's a shell of its former self.

I'd also say the Twin Cities would be up there if you added another 500,000 to 750,000 people (which would ruin the Twin Cities). Major Fortune 500 hub, second in theaters per capita to only NYC, the restaurant scene (was) incredible (before COVID). It doesn't get the highest marks for fashion centers, but whatever, we're trying to survive up here.


Anyways, Tier 1 cities in no particular order:
NYC
Paris
SF
London
Amsterdam

Tier 2
Chicago
Seattle
DC
Boston
Toronto


Tier 3
Twin Cities
Denver
Austin

Perusing this list, I'm confident Berlin, Hong Kong, Sydney, Singapore, Tokyo, Seoul, Dubai would all easily make this list when I have a trip to actually experience them.
 
Slap Shot said:
London is very cosmopolitan but it's 1a and 1b with New York and Dubai is right there. Don't sleep on Amsterdam, Milan, Brussels, Toronto, Miami and Sydney either. Perhaps LA and SF too? Sadly I've not spent any significant amount of time in either of those.

Bangkok would qualify if you counted tourists, but imho that's not the same thing.
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I’ve lived in both nyc and london and they’re so different, it’s hard to put one on top for international.

which one to live in? Not even close for me

and yeah you don’t really eat German food in Berlin lol. I used to eat a brat at the stand in friedrichstrasse station some days on way to class only because I was so poor
 
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