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Tournament Speculation Thread

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DIIIFan said:
The ECAC West really shouldn't get any team into the NCAA's. The conference can't get enough teams to qualify for an AC. The number of teams that they get in every year 2-3 and look how many NCAA championships the conference has after RIT left 1. That one was to a hot team who should have it's championship stripped. The track record after RIT isn't very impressive. Does the committee look at a conference to see how they do in past tourneyments? There are much more deserving teams that should get in. Give the West another seed this year and make it a 7-5 tourney this year just to upset the Eastern bias.
Oswego '89
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Really? Much more deserving teams? How do you figure? Utica, Neumann, Manhattanville and Elmira can beat any team in the country on any given night yet NONE of them are deserving to get in?

11 of the last 17 national championships have been won by 2 teams. There isn't much room for anyone else in there and the ECAC West has one of them. Not terrible. If you take out Middlebury and Norwich, the following conferences don't have a national champion in the past 17 years (ECAC East, MASCAC, MCHA, MIAC, NESCAC, ECAC NE.)

Just because there are two power teams that have dominated the landscape of D-III hockey for nearly the past two decades doesn't mean the ECAC West sucks and all of sudden those two conferences that Midd and Norwich are from are great. Take them out of that league and they are very medicore at best.

I know this isn't helping my argument. However, you talk up RIT about how great they were and the ECAC West had nothing after they left...well hate to break it to you, even though RIT did win it once, their track record outside of that championship year in '86 isn't very good in the NCAA's.

Neumann and Utica have already beaten Oswego this year and Utica beat Amherst as well.
 
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PrezdeJohnson09 said:
Really? Much more deserving teams? How do you figure? Utica, Neumann, Manhattanville and Elmira can beat any team in the country on any given night yet NONE of them are deserving to get in?

11 of the last 17 national championships have been won by 2 teams. There isn't much room for anyone else in there and the ECAC West has one of them. Not terrible. If you take out Middlebury and Norwich, the following conferences don't have a national champion in the past 17 years (ECAC East, MASCAC, MCHA, MIAC, NESCAC, ECAC NE.)

Just because there are two power teams that have dominated the landscape of D-III hockey for nearly the past two decades doesn't mean the ECAC West sucks and all of sudden those two conferences that Midd and Norwich are from are great. Take them out of that league and they are very medicore at best.

I know this isn't helping my argument. However, you talk up RIT about how great they were and the ECAC West had nothing after they left...well hate to break it to you, even though RIT did win it once, their track record outside of that championship year in '86 isn't very good in the NCAA's.

Neumann and Utica have already beaten Oswego this year and Utica beat Amherst as well.
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And if you don't count Neumann, no current ecac-w has won it all in the last... well never.
 
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DIIIFan said:
The ECAC West really shouldn't get any team into the NCAA's. The conference can't get enough teams to qualify for an AC. The number of teams that they get in every year 2-3 and look how many NCAA championships the conference has after RIT left 1. That one was to a hot team who should have it's championship stripped. The track record after RIT isn't very impressive. Does the committee look at a conference to see how they do in past tourneyments? There are much more deserving teams that should get in. Give the West another seed this year and make it a 7-5 tourney this year just to upset the Eastern bias.
Oswego '89
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well if you want an unbiased view of things just take a look at some computer rankings, Both KRACH and the D3Hockey.com computer rankings use statistics to measure the performance of teams. They aren't tweaking what numbers are used to skew the results from week to week, its set formula's used from start to finish that are transparent, so theirs no bias in the computer rankings.

D3hockey.com computer rankings have 4/5 ECAC-W teams in the top10 with Hobart at #18

KRACH also has the same 4/5 ECAC-W schools in the top 10 with Hobart coming in at #16.

Teams change from year to year and only their record and performance for the current year of play should be used. It doesn't matter what happened 5 years ago or even last year. Should we give Middlebury an automatic slot into the Frozen four just because they've won it so many times? Should these Student-Athletes be penalized and left out of the NCAA's just because nobody in their conference won the NCAA's 5 years ago? If that's the case than there are alot of conferences worse off than the ECAC-West.
 
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The Real Georgia Peach said:
I'm still trying to figure out why the ECAC-W would get a slot.....They don't seem to be that competitive outside of their conference.
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DIIIFan said:
The ECAC West really shouldn't get any team into the NCAA's. The conference can't get enough teams to qualify for an AC.
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Steve Day said:
I kind of agree and on on OTHER SITE talking 2 TEAMS ECAC WEST with 8-3 split
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Holy crap! What are you guys smoking? So we should use anecdotal innuendo, hockey board intuition and previous years' success to determine the tourney participants!? Let's see what the outcry is if we choose teams based on how they "seem" to be playing!? At least the other board has some semblance of intelligent conversation regarding this.
 
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DIIIFan said:
The ECAC West really shouldn't get any team into the NCAA's. The conference can't get enough teams to qualify for an AC. The number of teams that they get in every year 2-3 and look how many NCAA championships the conference has after RIT left 1. That one was to a hot team who should have it's championship stripped. The track record after RIT isn't very impressive. Does the committee look at a conference to see how they do in past tourneyments? There are much more deserving teams that should get in. Give the West another seed this year and make it a 7-5 tourney this year just to upset the Eastern bias.

Oswego '89
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With this logic, Vermont should get all the Pool C spots because of the past success that teams from Vermont have had in the tournament :D
 
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NUProf said:
With this logic, Vermont should get all the Pool C spots because of the past success that teams from Vermont have had in the tournament :D
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Except for Castleton. :D

2010-11 Lost in league semifinal to Babson
2009-10 Lost at home in league QF to NEC
2008-09 Lost at home in league QF to Babson
2007-08 Lost at home in league QF to Salem State
2006-07 Won on road @ USM in QF, lost in league semifinal to NEC
2005-06 Lost on road in league QF to Babson

Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose.
 
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PrezdeJohnson09 said:
11 of the last 17 national championships have been won by 2 teams. There isn't much room for anyone else in there and the ECAC West has one of them.
Neumann and Utica have already beaten Oswego this year and Utica beat Amherst as well.
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Gee, Derek.....can we keep actual, useful facts out of this discussion? :rolleyes:
 
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joecct said:
Except for Castleton. :D

2010-11 Lost in league semifinal to Babson
2009-10 Lost at home in league QF to NEC
2008-09 Lost at home in league QF to Babson
2007-08 Lost at home in league QF to Salem State
2006-07 Won on road @ USM in QF, lost in league semifinal to NEC
2005-06 Lost on road in league QF to Babson

Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose.
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They are 0-0 in NCAA play, though
 
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Norwich also lost by 1 with their JV team. Looks to me like the whole Castleton team was in the lineup. The saving grace would be Manhatanville beating Utica tonight. The Norwich Castleton game is a MUST win for Castleton now. They probably just hammered 3 of the 4 corners on their coffen tonight. Really besides Norwich, Oswego, and Plattsburgh it's a real toss up for the remaining spots now. No one has really stepped up and made that push. Everytime you think a team is heading in that direction the pull one of these...A La Elmira, Utica, Castleton, Neumann, Amherst, Williams, UWRF, and SNC. You may have to pencil in St.Thomas pretty soon for a Pool C bid as well.
 
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NUProf: Having the Vermont teams get all the C bids wouldn't bother me at all. At least we would see some new teams in the touney.
Oswego '89
 
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LOVINHOCKEY said:
wickfan said:
they lose by 1 goal just as Norwich did ...the teams behind them have losses that should make it as difficult to get into the tourney too
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Margin of victory is meaningless in this context. The problem with Castleton isn't the teams behind them, it's the teams ahead of them, and Manhattanville just took a big jump on them.
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In my little spreadsheet, Manhattanville is up to #5 and Castleton is now @ 11. I have 4 ECAC-W teams in the top 15.
 
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Castleton still has a fair shot at making it... by winning their league. Pool C is over for them after last night.

Utica is out.
 
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joecct said:
In my little spreadsheet, Manhattanville is up to #5 and Castleton is now @ 11. I have 4 ECAC-W teams in the top 15.
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... and KRACH has 4 ECAC-W teams in the top 8. I don't know if the lenses in my glasses are becoming more Purple & Gold / Navy Blue & Burnt Orange / Red & Black, but my gut feeling of an ECAC-W team justifiably earning a Pool C bid is becoming greater these days. But... there is still a lot of conference games to be played.

These games can [and most likely will] alter the statistical landscape. If one team stands-out, I believe they will get that coveted ticket to play more non-conference games this season. A bunch of 'flat' records from here-on-out, and the whole lot may end-up staying home.

Then again, I could be wrong...
 
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Birdwatcher said:
LOVINHOCKEY said:
Its not the teams behind them that is the problem. It is the second place teams with better records and stronger SOS in other conferences that will make it more difficult for Castleton to get a bid!
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I think the ECAC-West gets at least one bid IF Norwich and Amherst get their AQ's, and one of the Big 2 win the SUNYAC.

It's looking more and more like an 8/3 split.
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