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Re: Too early for the PWR? Princeton and Brown say no!
21 NCAA titles in the Manchester bracket
21 NCAA titles in the Manchester bracket
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SteveF
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Re: Too early for the PWR? Princeton and Brown say no!
and if you take out unh, its still 21!! is that magic????
21 NCAA titles in the Manchester bracket
and if you take out unh, its still 21!! is that magic????
Re: Too early for the PWR? Princeton and Brown say no!
Confused about something from the latest Bracketology...
"We break ties in the PWR by looking at the individual comparisons among the tied teams"
Yet, UND wins the individual comparison over Denver...but he ranked Denver ahead of UND in his ranking of the teams
Confused about something from the latest Bracketology...
"We break ties in the PWR by looking at the individual comparisons among the tied teams"
Yet, UND wins the individual comparison over Denver...but he ranked Denver ahead of UND in his ranking of the teams
bigblue_dl
Armed
Re: Too early for the PWR? Princeton and Brown say no!
Remember, a flight is a flight. For Denver it doesn't matter where they're going, they're flying.
Re: Too early for the PWR? Princeton and Brown say no!
Oh I understand that part of it, just didn't make sense in the context of his explanation.
Oh I understand that part of it, just didn't make sense in the context of his explanation.
Fighting Sioux 23
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Re: Too early for the PWR? Princeton and Brown say no!
People talk a lot about KRACH, so I thought I would post what I would have as my KRACH bracket, and we can discuss how it compares to the PWR brackets...
Green Bay:
#1 Duluth vs #16 AH Champ
#6 Wisconsin vs #10 Notre Dame
St. Louis:
#2 North Dakota vs #15 Miami
#7 Michigan vs #12 BU
Bridgeport:
#3 Yale vs #14 Western Michigan
#5 Boston College vs #11 Union
Manchester:
#4 Denver vs #13 Merrimack
#8 New Hampshire vs #9 RPI
People talk a lot about KRACH, so I thought I would post what I would have as my KRACH bracket, and we can discuss how it compares to the PWR brackets...
Green Bay:
#1 Duluth vs #16 AH Champ
#6 Wisconsin vs #10 Notre Dame
St. Louis:
#2 North Dakota vs #15 Miami
#7 Michigan vs #12 BU
Bridgeport:
#3 Yale vs #14 Western Michigan
#5 Boston College vs #11 Union
Manchester:
#4 Denver vs #13 Merrimack
#8 New Hampshire vs #9 RPI
SteveF
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Re: Too early for the PWR? Princeton and Brown say no!
i think it means you would use the 4 individual comparison criteria as potential tiebreakers 1-4. that said, since denver wins rpi - they win the tiebreaker with nodak. your point about st louis is a good one. i have no idea what they consider there... assuming the flight is a flight scenario, UMD is almost a lock to go GB.
i think it means you would use the 4 individual comparison criteria as potential tiebreakers 1-4. that said, since denver wins rpi - they win the tiebreaker with nodak. your point about st louis is a good one. i have no idea what they consider there... assuming the flight is a flight scenario, UMD is almost a lock to go GB.
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Re: Too early for the PWR? Princeton and Brown say no!
Only once have we had a situation where two teams tied and the team with the higher RPI lost the overall comparison with a team. In that situation North Dakota and New Hampshire tied for #7 overall, with NoDak winning the comparison but UNH having a higher RPI. The brackets that year were messed up because #4 overall Minnesota hosted a regional, the NCAA wanted Michigan in Grand Rapids and the committee had to avoid intra-conference pairings. NoDak played #12 BU, paired with #1 Boston College; UNH played #9 Harvard, paired with #3 Denver. So we never found out whether the committee uses RPI or comparison to break that tie.
If three or more teams are tied, RPI is the tiebreaker, not comparisons (we know that from the 2007 tournament). Tiebreakers with two teams has never been an issue, so we don't know how they'll be broken. I have always assumed that the phrase "We break ties in the PWR by looking at the individual comparisons among the tied teams" means they break the ties by who wins the comparison, but that is open for interpretation.
Only once have we had a situation where two teams tied and the team with the higher RPI lost the overall comparison with a team. In that situation North Dakota and New Hampshire tied for #7 overall, with NoDak winning the comparison but UNH having a higher RPI. The brackets that year were messed up because #4 overall Minnesota hosted a regional, the NCAA wanted Michigan in Grand Rapids and the committee had to avoid intra-conference pairings. NoDak played #12 BU, paired with #1 Boston College; UNH played #9 Harvard, paired with #3 Denver. So we never found out whether the committee uses RPI or comparison to break that tie.
If three or more teams are tied, RPI is the tiebreaker, not comparisons (we know that from the 2007 tournament). Tiebreakers with two teams has never been an issue, so we don't know how they'll be broken. I have always assumed that the phrase "We break ties in the PWR by looking at the individual comparisons among the tied teams" means they break the ties by who wins the comparison, but that is open for interpretation.
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Re: Too early for the PWR? Princeton and Brown say no!
Yeah, I use the slack page. Again, we don't know that ties between two teams are broken by RPI. The phrase we have to work on is "We break ties in the PWR by looking at the individual comparisons among the tied teams" as meaning that when two teams are tied they break ties using the comparison. Only when three or more teams are tied do we know for certain that ties are broken by RPI. The NCAA has never verified the process and we won't know for sure until they need to break a tie between teams that would impact the seeding (as happened in 2007 with SLU, UMass and Maine).
As I always say in these threads, there is no "wrong" answer. We're all speculating.
Yeah, I use the slack page. Again, we don't know that ties between two teams are broken by RPI. The phrase we have to work on is "We break ties in the PWR by looking at the individual comparisons among the tied teams" as meaning that when two teams are tied they break ties using the comparison. Only when three or more teams are tied do we know for certain that ties are broken by RPI. The NCAA has never verified the process and we won't know for sure until they need to break a tie between teams that would impact the seeding (as happened in 2007 with SLU, UMass and Maine).
As I always say in these threads, there is no "wrong" answer. We're all speculating.
SteveF
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Re: Too early for the PWR? Princeton and Brown say no!
ok fair point.. my second gripe is their data was different from uscho (and they must have fixed it since) but when i pulled their data after saturday night.. they had this up until yesterday:
1 Yale**(ec) 32 0.5878
2 North*Dakota**(wc) 30 0.5767
3 Denver*U**(wc) 30 0.5787
4 Minn-Duluth**(wc) 29 0.5825
5 Boston*Coll**(he) 28 0.5766
6 RPI**(ec) 27 0.5557
7 Wisconsin**(wc) 25 0.5566
8 New*Hampshire*(he) 24 0.5559
9 Michigan**(cc) 24 0.5547
10 Merrimack**(he) 23 0.5478
11 Western*Mich**(cc) 22 0.5383
12 Notre Dame**(cc) 21 0.5491
13 Union**(ec) 21 0.5551
14 Dartmouth**(ec) 19 0.5393
15 Boston*Univ**(he) 18 0.5413
16 Princeton**(ec) 16 0.5356
ok fair point.. my second gripe is their data was different from uscho (and they must have fixed it since) but when i pulled their data after saturday night.. they had this up until yesterday:
1 Yale**(ec) 32 0.5878
2 North*Dakota**(wc) 30 0.5767
3 Denver*U**(wc) 30 0.5787
4 Minn-Duluth**(wc) 29 0.5825
5 Boston*Coll**(he) 28 0.5766
6 RPI**(ec) 27 0.5557
7 Wisconsin**(wc) 25 0.5566
8 New*Hampshire*(he) 24 0.5559
9 Michigan**(cc) 24 0.5547
10 Merrimack**(he) 23 0.5478
11 Western*Mich**(cc) 22 0.5383
12 Notre Dame**(cc) 21 0.5491
13 Union**(ec) 21 0.5551
14 Dartmouth**(ec) 19 0.5393
15 Boston*Univ**(he) 18 0.5413
16 Princeton**(ec) 16 0.5356
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Re: Too early for the PWR? Princeton and Brown say no!
The Tech-UAA game will impact the standings only if Tech comes back to win outright.
If UAA wins or ties:
If Tech comes back
I'm going with the interpretation of breaking ties between two teams by using the comparison winner. Three or more teams tie and we break the tie by RPI. That would place Denver as a #1 seed over Duluth in the first scenario.
The Tech-UAA game will impact the standings only if Tech comes back to win outright.
If UAA wins or ties:
Code:
1 Yale (EC) 30 0.5889
2 North Dakota (WC) 29 0.5759
3 Boston Coll (HE) 27 0.5753
4 Denver U (WC) 26 0.5697
5 Minn-Duluth (WC) 26 0.5778
6 New Hampshire (HE) 25 0.5601
7 Union (EC) 22 0.5572
8 Wisconsin (WC) 22 0.5559
9 Michigan (CC) 22 0.5509
10 RPI (EC) 21 0.5538
11 Western Mich (CC) 20 0.5361
12 Notre Dame (CC) 19 0.5483
13 Merrimack (HE) 19 0.5466
14 NE-Omaha (WC) 17 0.5336
15 Boston Univ (HE) 16 0.5438If Tech comes back
Code:
1 Yale (EC) 29 0.5889
2 North Dakota (WC) 28 0.5759
3 Boston Coll (HE) 26 0.5751
4 Minn-Duluth (WC) 24 0.5778
5 Denver U (WC) 24 0.5681
6 New Hampshire (HE) 24 0.5602
7 Michigan (CC) 22 0.5513
8 Wisconsin (WC) 21 0.5558
9 RPI (EC) 20 0.5538
10 Notre Dame (CC) 20 0.5487
11 Western Mich (CC) 19 0.5366
12 Union (EC) 19 0.5568
13 Merrimack (HE) 18 0.5466
14 NE-Omaha (WC) 16 0.5339
15 Boston Univ (HE) 15 0.5439I'm going with the interpretation of breaking ties between two teams by using the comparison winner. Three or more teams tie and we break the tie by RPI. That would place Denver as a #1 seed over Duluth in the first scenario.
Fighting Sioux 23
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Re: Too early for the PWR? Princeton and Brown say no!
I'd put brackets this way if UAA hangs on to at least a draw...and break ties with RPI
Bridgeport:
#1 Yale vs #16 AH Champ
#7 Union vs #9 Michigan
Manchester:
#3 BC vs #14 UNO
#6 UNH vs #10 RPI
Green Bay:
#2 UND vs #15 BU
#8 Wisconsin vs #11 Western Michigan
St. Louis:
#4 UMD vs #13 Merrimack
#5 DU vs #12 Notre Dame
I'd put brackets this way if UAA hangs on to at least a draw...and break ties with RPI
Bridgeport:
#1 Yale vs #16 AH Champ
#7 Union vs #9 Michigan
Manchester:
#3 BC vs #14 UNO
#6 UNH vs #10 RPI
Green Bay:
#2 UND vs #15 BU
#8 Wisconsin vs #11 Western Michigan
St. Louis:
#4 UMD vs #13 Merrimack
#5 DU vs #12 Notre Dame
redwings8831
Registered User
Re: Too early for the PWR? Princeton and Brown say no!
So lets assume Tech loses (because they always do):
Bridgeport
1. Yale (EC)
7. Union (EC)
9. Michigan (CC)
16. AH Champ (AH)
St. Louis
2. North Dakota (WC)
8. Wisconsin (WC)
11. Western Mich (CC)
15. Boston Univ (HE)
Manchester
3. Boston Coll (HE)
6. New Hampshire (HE)
10. RPI (EC)
14. NE-Omaha (WC)
Green Bay
4. Denver U (WC)
5. Minn-Duluth (WC)
12. Notre Dame (CC)
13. Merrimack (HE)
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And if Tech wins (lol):
Bridgeport
1. Yale (EC)
8. Wisconsin (WC)
10. Notre Dame (CC)
16. AH Champ (AH)
St. Louis
2. North Dakota (WC)
7. Michigan (CC)
9. RPI (EC)
15. Boston Univ (HE)
Manchester
3. Boston Coll (HE)
6. New Hampshire (HE)
12. Union (EC)
14. NE-Omaha (WC)
Green Bay
4. Minn-Duluth (WC)
5. Denver U (WC)
11. Western Mich (CC)
13. Merrimack (HE)
So lets assume Tech loses (because they always do):
Bridgeport
1. Yale (EC)
7. Union (EC)
9. Michigan (CC)
16. AH Champ (AH)
St. Louis
2. North Dakota (WC)
8. Wisconsin (WC)
11. Western Mich (CC)
15. Boston Univ (HE)
Manchester
3. Boston Coll (HE)
6. New Hampshire (HE)
10. RPI (EC)
14. NE-Omaha (WC)
Green Bay
4. Denver U (WC)
5. Minn-Duluth (WC)
12. Notre Dame (CC)
13. Merrimack (HE)
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And if Tech wins (lol):
Bridgeport
1. Yale (EC)
8. Wisconsin (WC)
10. Notre Dame (CC)
16. AH Champ (AH)
St. Louis
2. North Dakota (WC)
7. Michigan (CC)
9. RPI (EC)
15. Boston Univ (HE)
Manchester
3. Boston Coll (HE)
6. New Hampshire (HE)
12. Union (EC)
14. NE-Omaha (WC)
Green Bay
4. Minn-Duluth (WC)
5. Denver U (WC)
11. Western Mich (CC)
13. Merrimack (HE)
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Re: Too early for the PWR? Princeton and Brown say no!
I came up with:
East:
1. Yale
2. Union
3. Merrimack
4. RIT
Northeast:
1. BC
2. UNH
3. RPI
4. Nebraska-Omaha
Midwest:
1. Denver
2. Wisconsin
3. Western Michigan
4. Boston University
West:
1. North Dakota
2. Minnesota-Duluth
3. Michigan
4. Notre Dame
I came up with:
East:
1. Yale
2. Union
3. Merrimack
4. RIT
Northeast:
1. BC
2. UNH
3. RPI
4. Nebraska-Omaha
Midwest:
1. Denver
2. Wisconsin
3. Western Michigan
4. Boston University
West:
1. North Dakota
2. Minnesota-Duluth
3. Michigan
4. Notre Dame
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Re: Too early for the PWR? Princeton and Brown say no!
The Eastern bracket is cupcake city. Conversely, that western bracket is brutal. Talk about two very different roads to St. Paul.
The Eastern bracket is cupcake city. Conversely, that western bracket is brutal. Talk about two very different roads to St. Paul.
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Re: Too early for the PWR? Princeton and Brown say no!
Code:
[B]Bridgeport Manchester St Louis Green Bay[/B]
Yale BC North Dakota Denver
Union UNH UMD Wisconsin
Merrimack RPI W Michigan Michigan
AHA Champ UNO BU Notre DameRe: Too early for the PWR? Princeton and Brown say no!
But the west is the only bracket without one of last year's frozen four teams in it!
But the west is the only bracket without one of last year's frozen four teams in it!
Fighting Sioux 23
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Re: Too early for the PWR? Princeton and Brown say no!
I guess we'll find out how they break ties between two teams if this holds up.
If that's the case, I would switch the Denver/Notre Dame game with UND/BU. Notre Dame is one of the few schools that can bus to St. Louis, and give it a chance at having a "name" team.
I guess we'll find out how they break ties between two teams if this holds up.
If that's the case, I would switch the Denver/Notre Dame game with UND/BU. Notre Dame is one of the few schools that can bus to St. Louis, and give it a chance at having a "name" team.