Too early for the PWR? Princeton and Brown say no!

[Patman]

Re: Too early for the PWR? Princeton and Brown say no!

Not anymore. The Bentley incident closed that little hole.

In 2006-07, Holy Cross drew Bentley for the AHA championship. Holy Cross was in the Top 25, and thus a TUC, but a low-tier team that only barely might have made its way into the tourney on its own did a few games go their way. Obviously, it was a win-and-in situation for them, and in theory, it should have also been a lose-and-go-home.

However, it was discovered that if they lost, Holy Cross be in the field as an at-large. Since the victor Bentley would automatically become a TUC, the fact that Holy Cross swept them in the regular season in a four-game series meant that Holy Cross would add a 4-1 record against TUCs to their portfolio. This fact alone would flip 9 comparisons on its own.

Needless to say, the rule did not last beyond that season, and in any event Holy Cross won the AHA championship rendering the possibility moot.

That makes me wondered when they put in the 10 game minimum for TUC... the Pairwise teases me in the sense that one could write a basic simulator if one could program the tie-breaks... remove some uncertainty from all this.

 

[Craig P.]

Re: Too early for the PWR? Princeton and Brown say no!

Example? The only in-conference first round match-up since the tournament expanded to 16 teams was Denver v Wisconsin in 2008 when the WCHA placed 6 teams in the tournament (including 3 2-seeds and 2 3-seeds). Denver was matched with Wisconsin (hadn't played since January) instead of Minnesota (played in the Final 5 championship game). Not sure what game / match-up you're referring to above.

I'm talking about regional finals. I'm fairly certain there have been multiple instances where the committee set up a potential late-season rematch (without requiring an upset) in the regional finals, but my memory could be faulty on that point.

 

[Onion Man]

Re: Too early for the PWR? Princeton and Brown say no!

Then schools won't bid to host. And Hockey East will only land three teams in the NCAA, you propose making two of them square off in the first round?

Why' can't the conferences themselves host? All you need to do is guarantee one conference team plays in that bracket. Seems easy enough to me.

 

[goblue78]

Re: Too early for the PWR? Princeton and Brown say no!

Excellent TV Guide, Priceless, except for one thing. I don't think the ECAC conslation game is being televised on 613.

 

[Priceless]

Re: Too early for the PWR? Princeton and Brown say no!

Excellent TV Guide, Priceless, except for one thing. I don't think the ECAC conslation game is being televised on 613.

Of course...they're showing the second semifinal from last night. That makes perfect sense.

 

[kingdobbs]

Re: Too early for the PWR? Princeton and Brown say no!

NCAA hockey has to do one of two things: Either eliminate the rule that the host schools has to play in that regional or allow interconference first round matchups. The fact the UNH gets to play in Manchester is ridiculous. If there was ever a team that didn't deserve any postseason favors its UNH.

I thought we were only allowed to complain about Michigan being able to host regionals at Yost.

 

[Onion Man]

Re: Too early for the PWR? Princeton and Brown say no!

I thought we were only allowed to complain about Michigan being able to host regionals.

If North Dakota gets sent east and Boston Coll gets sent west because of ridiculous interconference matchup rules, then the system is broken.

 

[WildShawn]

Re: Too early for the PWR? Princeton and Brown say no!

Of course...they're showing the second semifinal from last night. That makes perfect sense.

Are they? I have college hoops stuff listed all day on CBSCS until the championship game at 7:30...

of course at 1PM they had a replay of an ECAC semifinal listed and they aired a K-State hoops behind the scene thing, so.... yeah
no idea

 

[burgie12]

Re: Too early for the PWR? Princeton and Brown say no!

I'm talking about regional finals. I'm fairly certain there have been multiple instances where the committee set up a potential late-season rematch (without requiring an upset) in the regional finals, but my memory could be faulty on that point.

The comment that you were responding to was being made about the regional semifinals. The NCAA has already stated that they don't care about intra-conference match-ups in the regional finals.

 

[Craig P.]

Re: Too early for the PWR? Princeton and Brown say no!

I wasn't just talking about intraconference match-ups, but rematches of games that had been played a week earlier.

Yeah, interconference is different, but I still don't think it factors into the NCAA's bracketing at all. They have enough on their plate just satisfying other rules and trying to get decent attendance while maintaining at least a semblance of balance between the regions.

 

[Priceless]

Re: Too early for the PWR? Princeton and Brown say no!

If North Dakota gets sent east and Boston Coll gets sent west because of ridiculous interconference matchup rules, then the system is broken.

Were you as upset about UNH being sent to Colorado Springs?

 

[kingdobbs]

Re: Too early for the PWR? Princeton and Brown say no!

If North Dakota gets sent east and Boston Coll gets sent west because of ridiculous interconference matchup rules, then the system is broken.

Cause what we are looking for as college hockey fans is clearly to see the fourth matchup between Boston College and New Hampshire, or the fourth between North Dakota and Colorado College.

People play too much on their own little islands as it is, and you want to see that happen MORE?

 

[unh1982]

Were you as upset about UNH being sent to Colorado Springs?

Ditto couldn't have said it better

 

[Onion Man]

Re: Too early for the PWR? Princeton and Brown say no!

Were you as upset about UNH being sent to Colorado Springs?

I dont remember where UNH was ranked that year, but if they were top 3 and got shipped, yes, that is laughable. I went to the UND game vs Yale* last year and the Sioux had very little fan support (expected since North Dakota is in western Canada) , but you see their home support and see how inane it is to send them far away because of first round matchups.

 

[Priceless]

Re: Too early for the PWR? Princeton and Brown say no!

Michigan wins and the Wolverines maintain a slim hope of sliding into the top seed.
UNH slips perilously close to being a 4 seed. It looks like they need Western to defeat Miami in the CCHA. UNH falling sets off a chain reaction. It'll be interesting to see how the night plays out.

 

[Priceless]

Re: Too early for the PWR? Princeton and Brown say no!

Dartmouth's win wraps things up for CC. It's now down to Cornell and RPI. If Yale wins, the Engineers get in; if Cornell wins they get the autobid and knock RPI out.

 

[Priceless]

Re: Too early for the PWR? Princeton and Brown say no!

I think that no matter what happens tonight:

1 - Yale
8 - Union
9 - Minn-Duluth
10 - Western
11 - Notre Dame
14 - CC
15 - Cornell/RPI
16 - Air Force/RIT

If anyone comes up with something different, post it.

 

[yalehockeyfan]

Re: Too early for the PWR? Princeton and Brown say no!

I think that no matter what happens tonight:

1 - Yale
8 - Union
9 - Minn-Duluth
10 - Western
11 - Notre Dame
14 - CC
15 - Cornell/RPI
16 - Air Force/RIT

If anyone comes up with something different, post it.

Does that mean the East regional is all set with Yale, Union, UMD, and AF/RIT?

 

[Fighting Sioux 23]

Re: Too early for the PWR? Princeton and Brown say no!

Does that mean the East regional is all set with Yale, Union, UMD, and AF/RIT?

No. What is interesting, is that if Western/BC/Denver win, then UNO and CC are #4 seeds, while DU and UND are #1 seeds. What does this mean? Yale will have to play either UNO or CC, while North Dakota most likely gets the Atlantic Hockey winner.

 

[Priceless]

Re: Too early for the PWR? Princeton and Brown say no!

No. What is interesting, is that if Western/BC/Denver win, then UNO and CC are #4 seeds, while DU and UND are #1 seeds. What does this mean? Yale will have to play either UNO or CC, while North Dakota most likely gets the Atlantic Hockey winner.

The WCHA get 5 teams in, so the NCAA *can* decide to force an intraconference game, but history says they won't.

Regardless of what happens, this bracket is going to be a mess.