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Re: Too early for the PWR? Princeton and Brown say no!
RPI is the first team out
If Maine had beaten BC today, they'd be in instead of the Eagles.
RPI is the first team out
If Maine had beaten BC today, they'd be in instead of the Eagles.
Ralph Baer
Let's Go 'Tute!
Re: Too early for the PWR? Princeton and Brown say no!
Seriously, it's nice being again in a situation where games between teams that we don't play greatly affect us. That was the case, even at the end of the year, each year around a decade ago. Since then RPI hasn't been close. Now if we can sweep Yale like last season, ...
RPI is the first team out
Seriously, it's nice being again in a situation where games between teams that we don't play greatly affect us. That was the case, even at the end of the year, each year around a decade ago. Since then RPI hasn't been close. Now if we can sweep Yale like last season, ...
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Re: Too early for the PWR? Princeton and Brown say no!
Code:
[B]Bridgeport Manchester St Louis Green Bay[/B]
Yale North Dakota Denver Duluth
UNO UNH BC Notre Dame
Union Miami Dartmouth RPI
AHA Maine BU AlaskaFlagDUDE08
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Re: Too early for the PWR? Princeton and Brown say no!
I'm a little surprised that Dartmouth wasn't placed in the Manchester regional. However, this is a pleasant surprise for the RPI fans.
I'm a little surprised that Dartmouth wasn't placed in the Manchester regional. However, this is a pleasant surprise for the RPI fans.
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Re: Too early for the PWR? Princeton and Brown say no!
Last in: Col Coll
Last out: Alaska
To avoid intra-conference games, the AHA Champ (#16 seed) plays the fourth #1 seed. The overall #1 seed draws #14 Maine.
Last in: Col Coll
Last out: Alaska
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[B]Bridgeport Manchester St Louis Green Bay[/B]
Yale UNH BC Duluth
Union Denver NoDak UNO
Notre Dame Miami Michigan RPI
Maine Col Coll AHA Champ BUTo avoid intra-conference games, the AHA Champ (#16 seed) plays the fourth #1 seed. The overall #1 seed draws #14 Maine.
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Re: Too early for the PWR? Princeton and Brown say no!
BU just beat Vermont to knock Colorado College out. Welcome also to Merrimack, Western Michigan and Union.
A first look at the field:
UNH is a host, so they must be moved to Manchester. This starts the dominoes falling. The first round games for the top seeds stays the same, but all the 2/3 games are changed for attendance/travel purposes.
Conference breakdown:
WCHA - 5
Hockey East - 4
CCHA - 3
ECAC - 3
AHA - 1
BU just beat Vermont to knock Colorado College out. Welcome also to Merrimack, Western Michigan and Union.
A first look at the field:
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[B]Bridgeport Manchester St Louis Green Bay[/B]
Yale BC Minn-Duluth North Dakota
Notre Dame Denver UNH Michigan
Wisconsin Merrimack RPI Neb-Omaha
AHA Champ Western Mich Union BUUNH is a host, so they must be moved to Manchester. This starts the dominoes falling. The first round games for the top seeds stays the same, but all the 2/3 games are changed for attendance/travel purposes.
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[B]Bridgeport Manchester St Louis Green Bay[/B]
Yale BC Minn-Duluth North Dakota
Denver UNH Notre Dame Michigan
Merrimack RPI Neb-Omaha Wisconsin
AHA Champ Western Mich Union BUConference breakdown:
WCHA - 5
Hockey East - 4
CCHA - 3
ECAC - 3
AHA - 1
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Re: Too early for the PWR? Princeton and Brown say no!
That should make those complainers on the "ez" threads happy. After all, Yale did get their only loss from the AHA.
That should make those complainers on the "ez" threads happy. After all, Yale did get their only loss from the AHA.
bigblue_dl
Armed
Re: Too early for the PWR? Princeton and Brown say no!
My college hockey bets hope that this is the final bracket! All 4 teams I bet on are in different regions, 2 are 1 seeds, and Denver (who I got for 20-1) has the easiest cakewalk a #2 seed could hope for!
SteveF
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Re: Too early for the PWR? Princeton and Brown say no!
based on history of being as conservative as possible, i just cant see the NCAA moving that many teams around within the 3 seed band - and specifically moving Wisconsin to the green bay regional like that. above all, that would not be fair to the #1 seed (in this case nodak) to create a basic home game for the badgers. The NCAA does a lot of tinkering for attendance and $$ but they have always seemed to keep 'protecting the 1 seeds' as their primary objective.
of course if you run the bracketology as of 1/14, i have Denver as the #2 seed for GB and thus Wisconsin couldnt be moved there.
based on history of being as conservative as possible, i just cant see the NCAA moving that many teams around within the 3 seed band - and specifically moving Wisconsin to the green bay regional like that. above all, that would not be fair to the #1 seed (in this case nodak) to create a basic home game for the badgers. The NCAA does a lot of tinkering for attendance and $$ but they have always seemed to keep 'protecting the 1 seeds' as their primary objective.
of course if you run the bracketology as of 1/14, i have Denver as the #2 seed for GB and thus Wisconsin couldnt be moved there.
IrishHockeyFan
Still outranks his daughter
Re: Too early for the PWR? Princeton and Brown say no!
Even though they came out on top last year in Fort Wayne, Miami may beg to differ on whether or not the NCAA keeps protection of the #1 seed a primary objective. The ticket sales were nearly non-existent for the Fort Wayne region until Michigan was placed there, a placement that certainly surprised some.
Even though they came out on top last year in Fort Wayne, Miami may beg to differ on whether or not the NCAA keeps protection of the #1 seed a primary objective. The ticket sales were nearly non-existent for the Fort Wayne region until Michigan was placed there, a placement that certainly surprised some.
BUPhD
Active member
Re: Too early for the PWR? Princeton and Brown say no!
That's my hometown and many people I talked to in that hockey mad town were very interested and supportive that the event was coming. Then they saw the ticket prices and said, well I'm glad they're here and hope they come back, but I can't afford that.
That's my hometown and many people I talked to in that hockey mad town were very interested and supportive that the event was coming. Then they saw the ticket prices and said, well I'm glad they're here and hope they come back, but I can't afford that.
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Re: Too early for the PWR? Princeton and Brown say no!
Talk to the folks at Cornell about protecting a #1 seed.
With the attendance black hole shaping up for St. Louis, I think the committee will look to the other regions to sell tickets - even if that means bracket integrity gets shaken up a bit.
Edit: Speaking of Cornell, we have Yale's Kryptonite right now: 3 WCHA #1 seeds and a WCHA #4 seed. That almost guarantees a Yale-Nebraska-Omaha first round. That's about the only chance Yale has of not playing the AHA Champ in Bridgeport (short of inexplicably losing the #1 overall seed).
Talk to the folks at Cornell about protecting a #1 seed.
With the attendance black hole shaping up for St. Louis, I think the committee will look to the other regions to sell tickets - even if that means bracket integrity gets shaken up a bit.
Edit: Speaking of Cornell, we have Yale's Kryptonite right now: 3 WCHA #1 seeds and a WCHA #4 seed. That almost guarantees a Yale-Nebraska-Omaha first round. That's about the only chance Yale has of not playing the AHA Champ in Bridgeport (short of inexplicably losing the #1 overall seed).
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Happy
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Re: Too early for the PWR? Princeton and Brown say no!
Bull. They have never ever tried to protect Minnesota, or any western team with the number one seed. In fact, the head of the ncaa selection committee once said it was "too delicious" not to make Minnesota play against a more or less home lower seed that should never have been in the bracket. it sells tickets, and all the ncaa really cares about is money.
Bull. They have never ever tried to protect Minnesota, or any western team with the number one seed. In fact, the head of the ncaa selection committee once said it was "too delicious" not to make Minnesota play against a more or less home lower seed that should never have been in the bracket. it sells tickets, and all the ncaa really cares about is money.
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Re: Too early for the PWR? Princeton and Brown say no!
This weekend's PWR:
1 Yale (EC) 24
2 North Dakota (WC) 22
3 Denver U (WC) 22
4 Minn-Duluth (WC) 20
5 Boston Coll (HE) 19
6 Michigan (CC) 18
7 Notre Dame (CC) 17
8 Wisconsin (WC) 17
9 New Hampshire (HE) 16
10 Maine (HE) 14
11 Dartmouth (EC) 14
12 Union (EC) 12
13 Boston Univ (HE) 12
14 Merrimack (HE) 11
15 NE-Omaha (WC) 11
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16 Western Mich (CC) 10
17 RPI (EC) 9
18 Miami (CC) 9
19 AK-Fairbanks (CC) 7
20 Princeton (EC) 5
21 Minnesota (WC) 4
22 Bemidji State (WC) 4
23 CO College (WC) 2
24 MSU-Mankato (WC) 1
25 Ohio State (CC) 0
Last team in: Nebraska-Omaha
Last team out: Western Michigan
A cursory look gives us:
First off, New Hampshire is a host so they must be placed in the Manchester regional. That means Boston College cannot be placed there as a #2 seed. We also have an intra-conference first-round game featuring North Dakota and Nebraska-Omaha. Although both Hockey East and the WCHA have five teams in the field, so the committee could keep them paired, the NCAA is loathe to do so. This causes the brackets to break apart.
The committee makes Green Bay strong for attendance purposes with both NoDak and Wisconsin. Manchester has UNH and BU and Bridgeport has 2 ECAC teams and Boston College. Hopefully a few Michigan fans live in the greater St. Louis area...
The most contentious move would doubtless be the AHA Champion to the Green Bay region, forcing overall #1 Yale to play UNO instead. However, the other 3 #1 seeds are from the WCHA so the committee has to choose between an intra-conference game and protecting the #1 overall seed. History says they will choose to ship the AHA Champ elsewhere.
This weekend's PWR:
1 Yale (EC) 24
2 North Dakota (WC) 22
3 Denver U (WC) 22
4 Minn-Duluth (WC) 20
5 Boston Coll (HE) 19
6 Michigan (CC) 18
7 Notre Dame (CC) 17
8 Wisconsin (WC) 17
9 New Hampshire (HE) 16
10 Maine (HE) 14
11 Dartmouth (EC) 14
12 Union (EC) 12
13 Boston Univ (HE) 12
14 Merrimack (HE) 11
15 NE-Omaha (WC) 11
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16 Western Mich (CC) 10
17 RPI (EC) 9
18 Miami (CC) 9
19 AK-Fairbanks (CC) 7
20 Princeton (EC) 5
21 Minnesota (WC) 4
22 Bemidji State (WC) 4
23 CO College (WC) 2
24 MSU-Mankato (WC) 1
25 Ohio State (CC) 0
Last team in: Nebraska-Omaha
Last team out: Western Michigan
A cursory look gives us:
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[B]Bridgeport Manchester St Louis Green Bay[/B]
Yale Minn-Duluth Denver North Dakota
Wisconsin BC Michigan Notre Dame
UNH Union Dartmouth Maine
AHA Champ BU Merrimack Neb-OmahaFirst off, New Hampshire is a host so they must be placed in the Manchester regional. That means Boston College cannot be placed there as a #2 seed. We also have an intra-conference first-round game featuring North Dakota and Nebraska-Omaha. Although both Hockey East and the WCHA have five teams in the field, so the committee could keep them paired, the NCAA is loathe to do so. This causes the brackets to break apart.
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[B]Bridgeport Manchester St Louis Green Bay[/B]
Yale Minn-Duluth Denver North Dakota
BC Notre Dame Michigan Wisconsin
Union UNH Dartmouth Maine
Neb-Omaha BU Merrimack AHA ChampThe committee makes Green Bay strong for attendance purposes with both NoDak and Wisconsin. Manchester has UNH and BU and Bridgeport has 2 ECAC teams and Boston College. Hopefully a few Michigan fans live in the greater St. Louis area...
The most contentious move would doubtless be the AHA Champion to the Green Bay region, forcing overall #1 Yale to play UNO instead. However, the other 3 #1 seeds are from the WCHA so the committee has to choose between an intra-conference game and protecting the #1 overall seed. History says they will choose to ship the AHA Champ elsewhere.
Farce Poobah
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Re: Too early for the PWR? Princeton and Brown say no!
Thanks for doing.
I would send North Dakota to St Louis, improving attendance and competitive balance. It would improve attendance (no need for more than Wisconsin to fill Green Bay) because UND travels well. It would also improve competitive balance in that a higher seed gets the more favorable draw...
Thanks for doing.
I would send North Dakota to St Louis, improving attendance and competitive balance. It would improve attendance (no need for more than Wisconsin to fill Green Bay) because UND travels well. It would also improve competitive balance in that a higher seed gets the more favorable draw...
SteveF
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Re: Too early for the PWR? Princeton and Brown say no!
well i would have to know what years you are talking about specifically. but a) in my opinion the protecting the top seeds has become more prevalant over the years and b) i dont have much love lost for minnesota ncaa matchups as they generally play their regionals on home ice. you cant get much more favorable than that.
a fair point. i thought that was an odd pairing considering the teams had just played in the ccha tournament and that used to be a consideration as well.
well i would have to know what years you are talking about specifically. but a) in my opinion the protecting the top seeds has become more prevalant over the years and b) i dont have much love lost for minnesota ncaa matchups as they generally play their regionals on home ice. you cant get much more favorable than that.
a fair point. i thought that was an odd pairing considering the teams had just played in the ccha tournament and that used to be a consideration as well.
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Re: Too early for the PWR? Princeton and Brown say no!
The NCAA doesn't consider the "draw" beyond the first round. A couple of upsets and what was considered a favorable draw gets turned on its head. The type of draw is for we the fans to discuss; I don't think the committee looks at it beyond a sometimes laughable attempt at bracket integrity.
The NCAA doesn't consider the "draw" beyond the first round. A couple of upsets and what was considered a favorable draw gets turned on its head. The type of draw is for we the fans to discuss; I don't think the committee looks at it beyond a sometimes laughable attempt at bracket integrity.
WeAreNDHockey
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Re: Too early for the PWR? Princeton and Brown say no!
I have a problem with how the NCAA tries to protect the integrity of the field AND create a more championship like atmosphere at the same time. I'm in the minority probably but I don't think both variables should be considered. Either go with a strict 1-16 seeding (allowing still for movement withing the bands to avoid conference re-matches) and let the chips fall where they may when it comes to atmosphere and ticket sales OR try to create the best environment possible by putting teams as best as the field allows in the regions they are closest to, allowing for easier travel for as many fans as possible. Like I said, I think I share this view with few fans and it will never happen, regions of death and all that.
I have a problem with how the NCAA tries to protect the integrity of the field AND create a more championship like atmosphere at the same time. I'm in the minority probably but I don't think both variables should be considered. Either go with a strict 1-16 seeding (allowing still for movement withing the bands to avoid conference re-matches) and let the chips fall where they may when it comes to atmosphere and ticket sales OR try to create the best environment possible by putting teams as best as the field allows in the regions they are closest to, allowing for easier travel for as many fans as possible. Like I said, I think I share this view with few fans and it will never happen, regions of death and all that.