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This Week In Hockey East

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Now I'm more confused than ever. Does it have to do with the number of rounds? Both the official box score and HEA standings are now reflecting that PC won the shootout and got 2 points.

Anyone know what would happen if it was still tied after all available shooters went? Do they just go again through the same lineup?
 
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Bergey1 said:
Now I'm more confused than ever. Does it have to do with the number of rounds? Both the official box score and HEA standings are now reflecting that PC won the shootout and got 2 points.

Anyone know what would happen if it was still tied after all available shooters went? Do they just go again through the same lineup?
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Not sure what you don't understand. I guess its best to forget the original boxscore you saw. Essentially they use the NHL rules. You are going to settle the tie with a shootout and you have 3 rounds to accumulate the most goals. Then if tied it is essentially sudden death. You ending sentence is correct add the fact NU got a point for the being tied at the end of regulation.

Our question wasn't about when it would stop but that PC only has 16 skaters to dress. Does NU have to use all 18 of their skaters while PC would cycle back to Cottrell and the top of the order or does NU get to go back to the top of the order again at that point.
 
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I wasn't aware of the sudden death, which is why I didn't understand Hux's caption. I wanted to know how many rounds before they take it to SD.

I am aware of the HEA shootouts for OT ties and points alloted.
 
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Bergey1 said:
I wasn't aware of the sudden death, which is why I didn't understand Hux's caption. I wanted to know how many rounds before they take it to SD.

I am aware of the HEA shootouts for OT ties and points alloted.
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It doesn't go to "sudden death" until after the first 3 shooters. If it's tied after each team's first three shooters have gone, then it goes to sudden death.
 
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scrambledlegs said:
Edit: By the way, why do they even bother doing shootouts if they don't record it on the scoresheet?
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Because it's not a goal scored. It's merely a way of "breaking" the tie in the standings.

I think that the rationale is that at seasons end the standings will tend to separate, necessitating fewer tiebreakers.

Tiebreakers worked for years. Why the sudden need to artificially create separation? If two teams were tied for that last conference tourney spot (or home ice), does anyone actually believe that the team who is better in a penalty shot situation is somehow more deserving than the other? Over, say, head to head or conference record, which actually has some relevance in determining which team's resume warrants the spot?
 
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cavbim said:
Not sure what you don't understand. I guess its best to forget the original boxscore you saw. Essentially they use the NHL rules. You are going to settle the tie with a shootout and you have 3 rounds to accumulate the most goals. Then if tied it is essentially sudden death. You ending sentence is correct add the fact NU got a point for the being tied at the end of regulation.

Our question wasn't about when it would stop but that PC only has 16 skaters to dress. Does NU have to use all 18 of their skaters while PC would cycle back to Cottrell and the top of the order or does NU get to go back to the top of the order again at that point.
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I'll have to ask for the specifics.

I know the IIHF allows the same shooter to take all the shots after the first three have gone. (which is how Canada won the World Juniors two seasons ago using Toews)

freak said:
Tiebreakers worked for years. Why the sudden need to artificially create separation? If two teams were tied for that last conference tourney spot (or home ice), does anyone actually believe that the team who is better in a penalty shot situation is somehow more deserving than the other? Over, say, head to head or conference record, which actually has some relevance in determining which team's resume warrants the spot?
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Well, for one, the final four is hosted at the highest seed. So that separation is probably needed so that it doesn't take a Cray computer to figure out who actually comes out on top when you go through two or more rounds of tiebreakers. Don't forget, there is some planning involved, and little enough notice as is.
 
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Video from the BU-UNH game Saturday night:

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Well, for one, the final four is hosted at the highest seed. So that separation is probably needed so that it doesn't take a Cray computer to figure out who actually comes out on top when you go through two or more rounds of tiebreakers. Don't forget, there is some planning involved, and little enough notice as is.
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Even if HEA is anticipating increased parity, the odds of most tiebreakers going past even the h2h are pretty slim, and even fewer would get beyond the conference wins. Even last year, when we were looking at the possibility of a 3-way tie, it became moot as it almost always will. Things rarely happen in that perfect storm situation.

In fact, last year the standings would not have changed at all without the shootout. The only real effect the shootout had was to give BU the appearance of solidly being the #3 seed.

As for your first point, that is exactly one of the reasons I dislike the shootout. What happens when a team finishes above another due to those shootout points? Why is their TEAM more deserving of home ice simply because they have a few individuals who are good at penalty shots? ESPECIALLY if the team finishing lower took the season series.

I'd be BS if UNH lost out on home ice because of a skills competition, and it would be no more fair if a team had to travel to the Whitt just because UNH won a shootout.

As much as it's purpose of causing separation in the standings, I think the shootouts are simply a gimmick that HEA thinks the fans love.
 
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Next up is a Wednesday night tilt between the Terriers and Catamounts at Walter Brown. Should be an interesting match-up, and given Vermont's "upsets" so far this season, a tough one to call.

However, I will give the nod to BU 3-2.
 
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freak said:
I'd be BS if UNH lost out on home ice because of a skills competition, and it would be no more fair if a team had to travel to the Whitt just because UNH won a shootout.
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The moral of the story, at least as it relates to the shoot out Saturday, is don't give up a three goal lead:(
 
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DC78-82 said:
The moral of the story, at least as it relates to the shoot out Saturday, is don't give up a three goal lead:(
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But that's a completely different issue other than the fact that shootouts are the system we're playing under this year (and in the future).

I'm talking about the merits of assigning an arbitrary point for an individual skills competition after a team game, especially when those points could significantly change tournament selections. Giving up a 3 goal lead is irrelevant to the issue.

In discussing the ramifications of giving up a 3 goal lead, I'm less concerned with it possibly resulting in a shootout, than I am with what appears to be a trend of backing off once UNH gets a comfortable lead.

You're right....UNH should never have allowed the shootout to occur in the first place. But that's a completely different debate.
 
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freak said:
But that's a completely different issue other than the fact that shootouts are the system we're playing under this year (and in the future).

I'm talking about the merits of assigning an arbitrary point for an individual skills competition after a team game, especially when those points could significantly change tournament selections. Giving up a 3 goal lead is irrelevant to the issue.

In discussing the ramifications of giving up a 3 goal lead, I'm less concerned with it possibly resulting in a shootout, than I am with what appears to be a trend of backing off once UNH gets a comfortable lead.

You're right....UNH should never have allowed the shootout to occur in the first place. But that's a completely different debate.
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I'm with you. I hated shoot outs last year, college or otherwise, and haven't warmed to them yet. I was in LP when the USA beat Canada in the Four Nations Cup on a shootout decision. It just is not the same as, say the Women's Beanpot of a few years back, when the winner was the TEAM that dug deep enough to get the winning goal.
 
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This weekend features two home and home series, and the annual Terrier tilt at super posh and oh so nicely illuminated Agganis Palace.

Saturday:

BC @ UConn 1:00 PM
UNH @ UVM 2:00 PM
Maine @ Northeastern 2:00 PM
Providence @ BU (Agganis) 2:00 PM

Sunday:
UConn @ BC 12:00 Noon
BU @ Providence 2:00 PM
Maine @ Northeastern 2:00 PM
 
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DC78-82 said:
I'm with you. I hated shoot outs last year, college or otherwise, and haven't warmed to them yet. I was in LP when the USA beat Canada in the Four Nations Cup on a shootout decision. It just is not the same as, say the Women's Beanpot of a few years back, when the winner was the TEAM that dug deep enough to get the winning goal.
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I detest shootouts lol
 
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As I posted on the "scores" thread......

The UNH-Vermont game tomorrow (11/14) has been CANCELLED due to a number of UNH players with "flu-like" symptoms. Hopefully noone develops complications......
 
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Livinhocky said:
As I posted on the "scores" thread......

The UNH-Vermont game tomorrow (11/14) has been CANCELLED due to a number of UNH players with "flu-like" symptoms. Hopefully noone develops complications......
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The game was postponed, not canceled.
 
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