Re: The WJC Thread. USA! USA! USA!
At $90 a pop plus outrageous parking fees, it's no wonder!
At $90 a pop plus outrageous parking fees, it's no wonder!
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PrezdeJohnson09
Proud supporter of Osmirwich hockey
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I bought tickets on stubhub two days before the game....$50 for 10 rows up on the blueline in the lower level.
I also parked for free on the street right next to Pearl Street Grill
I bought tickets on stubhub two days before the game....$50 for 10 rows up on the blueline in the lower level.
I also parked for free on the street right next to Pearl Street Grill
Shirtless Guy
Old Dirty Basterd
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I do think 1982 is a little different than the present.
Puck Swami
New member
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True. That said, junior hockey does not fuel the American hockey fan, nor the American sports fan. Anywhere we could hold this event in the United States, we'd be still outnumbered by Canadians, who have a national passion for hockey, just as the US Olympic team was outnumbered by Canadians at the Gold Medal Game in Salt Lake City in 2002 or the way the US Soccer team still endures many game in the USA where Team USA fans are outnumbered by immigrant communities of fans supporting the visiting team.
Frankly, outside of the Olympics, Americans really don't support most of our national teams very well, even in sports where we dominate. Does anyone care about the Dream Team in hoops world championships? Or Team USA at the World Baseball Classic? Americans are far more passionate about domestic league play than they are about international play, unless you put the Olympic Rings on it....
True. That said, junior hockey does not fuel the American hockey fan, nor the American sports fan. Anywhere we could hold this event in the United States, we'd be still outnumbered by Canadians, who have a national passion for hockey, just as the US Olympic team was outnumbered by Canadians at the Gold Medal Game in Salt Lake City in 2002 or the way the US Soccer team still endures many game in the USA where Team USA fans are outnumbered by immigrant communities of fans supporting the visiting team.
Frankly, outside of the Olympics, Americans really don't support most of our national teams very well, even in sports where we dominate. Does anyone care about the Dream Team in hoops world championships? Or Team USA at the World Baseball Classic? Americans are far more passionate about domestic league play than they are about international play, unless you put the Olympic Rings on it....
Shirtless Guy
Old Dirty Basterd
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I can't argue with that...there isn't another country that cares a tenth as much about this tournament as the Canadians do, thats just a fact.
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Gurtholfin
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I don't know if I'd go that far as none of our team looked all that passionate, regardless of where they grew up.
I thought it was telling when in the pre-game someone commented that the U.S. team was all smiles and didn't appear nervous. I would have liked to hear that the U.S. team appeared to be in a barely controlled rage.
My guess is that the Canadian team was 5 minutes late getting onto the ice coz they were biting the heads off rats or American babies. This is yet another example of the U.S. wanting to win and the Canadians HAVING to win.
It's not as simple as just passion, it goes much, much deeper than passion.
By the second period, you could see our kids reverting to individual play and that some had become completely intimidated by the checking. Nobody had anyone else's back and they looked like a collection of talented players rather than a team.
Last year's team was special beyond just winning and you could see how together they were.
I don't know if I'd go that far as none of our team looked all that passionate, regardless of where they grew up.
I thought it was telling when in the pre-game someone commented that the U.S. team was all smiles and didn't appear nervous. I would have liked to hear that the U.S. team appeared to be in a barely controlled rage.
My guess is that the Canadian team was 5 minutes late getting onto the ice coz they were biting the heads off rats or American babies. This is yet another example of the U.S. wanting to win and the Canadians HAVING to win.
It's not as simple as just passion, it goes much, much deeper than passion.
By the second period, you could see our kids reverting to individual play and that some had become completely intimidated by the checking. Nobody had anyone else's back and they looked like a collection of talented players rather than a team.
Last year's team was special beyond just winning and you could see how together they were.
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This game was a reminder that notwithstanding the very solid strides made by USA Hockey, we are still underdogs to the Canadians. It is/was foolishness for fans, USA hockey, media or the blogosphere to suggest in any way that the US team was a "favorite" in this event. Canada will continue to win this event, and the Olympics at a 60-80% clip. Every so often (maybe 5-7 years) the US will put together the right coach, with the right system and right players, and they'll take down the gold.
This game was a reminder that notwithstanding the very solid strides made by USA Hockey, we are still underdogs to the Canadians. It is/was foolishness for fans, USA hockey, media or the blogosphere to suggest in any way that the US team was a "favorite" in this event. Canada will continue to win this event, and the Olympics at a 60-80% clip. Every so often (maybe 5-7 years) the US will put together the right coach, with the right system and right players, and they'll take down the gold.
bronconick
Yep, still here
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The Canadians aren't winning the Olympics at a 60-80% clip. That's an absurd statement. They've got another 11 years minimum before it's on North American soil, and overseas hockey has been kryptonite to both the Canadians and Americans.
The Canadians aren't winning the Olympics at a 60-80% clip. That's an absurd statement. They've got another 11 years minimum before it's on North American soil, and overseas hockey has been kryptonite to both the Canadians and Americans.
Russell Jaslow
Registered User
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BINGO!
While catching up on this thread, this is exactly what was going through my mind.
This is something that fans from other countries, or even diehard American hockey fans who get all wrapped up over the "Miracle on Ice" team, don't understand.
Americans, in general, don't care about national competitions. Odd, considering the sometimes over the top patriotism Americans display, but when it comes to sports, club teams are way more important than national teams. The Olympics, of course, are the exception, and sometimes the World Cup, but even then, it better be a good American team, or the American fan will not pay attention.
In Europe and South America, all sports leagues stop in their tracks for the big national tournaments. Not so here. Just look at the NHL's attitude towards the next Winter Olympics -- if it doesn't help OUR league, we're not going to participate in it. A completely different attitude than in Europe. The World Baseball Classic? Sure, it may have been put on by MLB, but the owners were either against it or extremely lukewarm to it. And any NBA owner will tell you they would rather not have their players participate in the World Championships. And before you say, sure, these owners have a vested interest in their players, again, this attitude would never occur in Europe. And if the European owners did think that privately, they would never dare speak it in public.
BINGO!
While catching up on this thread, this is exactly what was going through my mind.
This is something that fans from other countries, or even diehard American hockey fans who get all wrapped up over the "Miracle on Ice" team, don't understand.
Americans, in general, don't care about national competitions. Odd, considering the sometimes over the top patriotism Americans display, but when it comes to sports, club teams are way more important than national teams. The Olympics, of course, are the exception, and sometimes the World Cup, but even then, it better be a good American team, or the American fan will not pay attention.
In Europe and South America, all sports leagues stop in their tracks for the big national tournaments. Not so here. Just look at the NHL's attitude towards the next Winter Olympics -- if it doesn't help OUR league, we're not going to participate in it. A completely different attitude than in Europe. The World Baseball Classic? Sure, it may have been put on by MLB, but the owners were either against it or extremely lukewarm to it. And any NBA owner will tell you they would rather not have their players participate in the World Championships. And before you say, sure, these owners have a vested interest in their players, again, this attitude would never occur in Europe. And if the European owners did think that privately, they would never dare speak it in public.
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Shirtless Guy
Old Dirty Basterd
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This attitude happens all the time in Soccer, maybe not for the actual 32 team world cup final but there is plenty of tension related to releasing players for friendlies and world cup qualification matches and who pays for injuries, etc.
defkit
Well-known member
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Agreed. USA lost because they had less talented players and coaches. The result - Canada had a great game plan and executed on it flawlessly. Last year was a special year, seems even more so now. The USA was somehow able to crack the mystique for a year (in Canada, no less), this year was back to normal. The U18 wins are nice and I can see those happening more frequently, but U20 and Olympics, less so (despite coming incredibly close in Vancouver).
Agreed. USA lost because they had less talented players and coaches. The result - Canada had a great game plan and executed on it flawlessly. Last year was a special year, seems even more so now. The USA was somehow able to crack the mystique for a year (in Canada, no less), this year was back to normal. The U18 wins are nice and I can see those happening more frequently, but U20 and Olympics, less so (despite coming incredibly close in Vancouver).
Russell Jaslow
Registered User
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Past evidence already shows you are wrong.
When the tournament was held in Fargo, ND, there were more ticket sales to Canadians than to Americans. Now, consider the closest Canadian city to Fargo is FOUR hours away and it's Winnipeg, which is HALF the size of Rochester, NY.
As Jim Connelly said to me while we were surveying the crowd last night, "In America, hockey is the fifth most popular sport. In Canada, it's a religion."
Sure, Western NY is passionate about hockey, but the Buffalo Bills still get way more coverage. Heck, their season wrapup was on the front page of the sports section, after they got hammered by a team playing their back ups! The big WJC showdown got relegated to the inside of the sports section.
The ticket prices were obscene. Canadians were more than willing to pay those prices, but for an American already dishing out a lot of money for the Sabres, why would they spend a whole lot more on a tournament they barely care about (see my previous post)?
A few years ago, I was staying at my friend's house in St. Catharines as we were going to attend the International Bowl in Toronto. The WJC was all over the front page (and I'm not talking just the sports section) of their newspapers. I asked him why is this tournament such a big deal? I understand Canada's passion for hockey, but why this tournament?
He said, "This is our college bowl season. We don't have college sports the way you guys do. This is our big "college" event."
We already have that kind of passion, but it's directed at other sports.
You want passion? Go to Texas or Arkansas or Alabama or Louisiana or parts of the Midwest and Southwest, and take in the college football atmosphere. It makes Canadian hockey passion look tame in comparison. They would willingly spend $150-200 on a ticket to watch their .500 college football team play another .500 college football team in the Podunk Bowl before they would ever pay a quarter of that to watch a national team in any sport.
Nobody in the world cares about the WJC the way Canada does. That's not an excuse. It's just the way it is. And good for Canada for caring about this event and their sport. But, to think it's a joke that Americans don't support this event is totally missing the point. And is flat out misguided.
Outside of our passion, hockey itself isn't even a big deal to most Americans. Never mind the World Junior Championship.
Past evidence already shows you are wrong.
When the tournament was held in Fargo, ND, there were more ticket sales to Canadians than to Americans. Now, consider the closest Canadian city to Fargo is FOUR hours away and it's Winnipeg, which is HALF the size of Rochester, NY.
As Jim Connelly said to me while we were surveying the crowd last night, "In America, hockey is the fifth most popular sport. In Canada, it's a religion."
Sure, Western NY is passionate about hockey, but the Buffalo Bills still get way more coverage. Heck, their season wrapup was on the front page of the sports section, after they got hammered by a team playing their back ups! The big WJC showdown got relegated to the inside of the sports section.
The ticket prices were obscene. Canadians were more than willing to pay those prices, but for an American already dishing out a lot of money for the Sabres, why would they spend a whole lot more on a tournament they barely care about (see my previous post)?
A few years ago, I was staying at my friend's house in St. Catharines as we were going to attend the International Bowl in Toronto. The WJC was all over the front page (and I'm not talking just the sports section) of their newspapers. I asked him why is this tournament such a big deal? I understand Canada's passion for hockey, but why this tournament?
He said, "This is our college bowl season. We don't have college sports the way you guys do. This is our big "college" event."
We already have that kind of passion, but it's directed at other sports.
You want passion? Go to Texas or Arkansas or Alabama or Louisiana or parts of the Midwest and Southwest, and take in the college football atmosphere. It makes Canadian hockey passion look tame in comparison. They would willingly spend $150-200 on a ticket to watch their .500 college football team play another .500 college football team in the Podunk Bowl before they would ever pay a quarter of that to watch a national team in any sport.
Nobody in the world cares about the WJC the way Canada does. That's not an excuse. It's just the way it is. And good for Canada for caring about this event and their sport. But, to think it's a joke that Americans don't support this event is totally missing the point. And is flat out misguided.
Outside of our passion, hockey itself isn't even a big deal to most Americans. Never mind the World Junior Championship.
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Russell Jaslow
Registered User
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Sure for friendlies and some qualifying games, but they also occur a lot during league play. But the actual national tournaments, everything comes to a halt. And nobody dares holds a player back. Much different than the attitude in American sports leagues.
Sure for friendlies and some qualifying games, but they also occur a lot during league play. But the actual national tournaments, everything comes to a halt. And nobody dares holds a player back. Much different than the attitude in American sports leagues.
Shirtless Guy
Old Dirty Basterd
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They are talking about changing the 2022 world cup to be played during an extended winter break because it is going to be in Qatar, people all over soccer are upset with changing their schedules for this. The normal world cup happens during the extended summer break of the worlds 8(?) most popular leagues.
Russell Jaslow
Registered User
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Exactly. League schedules and the World Cup have been set up for decades to support each other. It's a pain to change it. However, it's been set up like that because of the importance of national tournaments. As well as other national tournaments that exist in the off WC years.
Exactly. League schedules and the World Cup have been set up for decades to support each other. It's a pain to change it. However, it's been set up like that because of the importance of national tournaments. As well as other national tournaments that exist in the off WC years.
Shirtless Guy
Old Dirty Basterd
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The Olympics is in the middle of hockey season, that is exactly what soccer is beginning to complain about. Basketball leagues would complain too but they get lucky...their "winter" sport is a summer olympic event.
Russell Jaslow
Registered User
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I understand what you are saying. And don't get me wrong -- the national tournaments are not the ONLY thing in Europe. They certainly have a great passion for their club teams as well.
My point is the WC and league schedules had been specifically set up because of their passion for the national tournaments. Also, look at the attitudes of the European hockey players. To them, playing for the national team is almost more important than for any club team. The Russians have already said they are playing in the next Olympics (granted, they are in Russia) no matter whether the NHL shuts down or not. Ask Hasek whether he considers winning the Olympic gold medal the greatest achievement in his career. I'll bet you he says yes. Heck, he skipped a bunch of NHL games afterward so he could go to Czech Republic to celebrate.
The Europeans have a much greater passion for their national teams and for playing for their national teams than Americans do.
I understand what you are saying. And don't get me wrong -- the national tournaments are not the ONLY thing in Europe. They certainly have a great passion for their club teams as well.
My point is the WC and league schedules had been specifically set up because of their passion for the national tournaments. Also, look at the attitudes of the European hockey players. To them, playing for the national team is almost more important than for any club team. The Russians have already said they are playing in the next Olympics (granted, they are in Russia) no matter whether the NHL shuts down or not. Ask Hasek whether he considers winning the Olympic gold medal the greatest achievement in his career. I'll bet you he says yes. Heck, he skipped a bunch of NHL games afterward so he could go to Czech Republic to celebrate.
The Europeans have a much greater passion for their national teams and for playing for their national teams than Americans do.
unofan
Well-known member
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Of course, the main reason people are upset is that FIFA awarded Qatar the WC under the fairy tale that it would have air conditioned open-air stadiums to handle a summer event, then suddenly announced things might have to change to accomodate Qatar's climate. If only FIFA had some sort of process whereby these issues could've been forseen and taken into account beforehand. Maybe one that allowed for a comparison between various nations...
Of course, the main reason people are upset is that FIFA awarded Qatar the WC under the fairy tale that it would have air conditioned open-air stadiums to handle a summer event, then suddenly announced things might have to change to accomodate Qatar's climate. If only FIFA had some sort of process whereby these issues could've been forseen and taken into account beforehand. Maybe one that allowed for a comparison between various nations...