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The University of Vermont Official 2010-2011 Season Thread : Part 1

Re: The University of Vermont Official 2010-2011 Season Thread : Part 1

GreenCat said:
Orono, Maine? Durham, NH? UNH and UMaine consistantly are below UVM in Acemdemic rankings and the Vermont campus is fantastic along with the city of Burlington. I am not sure what your point is or here? Timmay is not loved in ME and Umile is not exactly Jerry York or Jack Parker?

Again, yes ME and UNH have a longer history but your average 18 yr old recruit probably doesn't see much beyond the last 5 years and obviously the move to HE and a new emphasis on the program at Vermont along with NCAA appearances should be improving the attactiveness.

We (the posters) are not taking away from UNH and ME simply stating we should be able to recruit as well as them based on being a like them in many criteria (again outside of the 30 year history).

Facilities? Orono is not a great rink but I would say UNH is a step above iwith the Whittamore but it is a bit stale there. I think UVM could use a facility of that size. 8-9K seats would be a bad idea.
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Vermont's man advantage looks like a seizure, if it wasn't for that they would've had a great chance of winning tonight.
 
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Re: The University of Vermont Official 2010-2011 Season Thread : Part 1

Wow, I don't know what to say here other then I disagree with pretty much most of these posts.

UVM has risen in the ranks of the recruiting battles of late, but they are not going to consistantly win a recruiting battle with UNH or ME for that matter. They will win some but they are going to lose some as well. Especially UNH, the team is at the top of the HE standings year in and year out. That success turns a lot of minds.

As for the statement that UVM wasn't a good team in 2009, I disagree there too. They had a good team, Stalberg was hot and the defense were solid. Goaltending mediocre? I won't even respond to that. They did have a horrible series against UML and were on a skid at the end of the year but every team has a downturn at some point in the year. UVM' happened to be at the end of the year before righting the ship for a playoff run.

As for getting good recruits, Sneddon has consistently recruited pretty well, much better then Gilligan who outside of the St. Louis, Thomas, Perrin class didn't do a lot. Sneddon has signed on Mitchell, Fallon, Brickley, Pacan, Mackenzie, Vazzano Jr., Madore, Girgenson, White, Irwin, etc... Not all have worked out and not all have gotten their shots but they were sought after recruits.

This year is dismal and much much worse then anyone expected. Something is going on and the boys can't snap out of it. This is perhaps one of the weakest offensive teams UVM has had and that is costing them BIG. If UVM puts up a single goal per game more their record becomes 5-6-2 without taken into consideration ENG and change of pace in the game. The past two games they have played pretty tight games until penalty trouble has undone them. Last night Yale was up 1-0 after two on a PP goal, scored another PP goal and then ENG. Earlier in the season when UVM was competing and losing close games they weren't taking penalties. Those games were close and with some puck luck actually could have been wins. A lot of penalties being taken as of late, I suspect it has to do with a great deal of frustration. Sneddon needs to make a change, the guys are mentally not with it right now.

I think it's time for Vazzano to get a few starts. Madore is playing well, but sometimes its the change itself that snaps things around.
 
Re: The University of Vermont Official 2010-2011 Season Thread : Part 1

GreenCat said:
We (the posters) are not taking away from UNH and ME simply stating we should be able to recruit as well as them based on being a like them in many criteria (again outside of the 30 year history).
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No, it was clearly said UVM should never lose a recruiting battle to anyone besides BU and BC... That's a different tone, though I still disagree....
 
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jcarter7669 said:
As for getting good recruits, Sneddon has consistently recruited pretty well, much better then Gilligan who outside of the St. Louis, Thomas, Perrin class didn't do a lot.
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This may be before you're time, but Kyle McDonough and Ian Boyce were great players! There were others too--it's been so long, I just can't remember who they were. I would agree though that Sneddon's probably done a better job recruiting overall, but I still think he could do even better.

Also, I agree with Vazzano getting some starts and suggested the same last week.
 
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UVM Cat in Texas said:
This may be before you're time, but Kyle McDonough and Ian Boyce were great players! There were others too--it's been so long, I just can't remember who they were. I would agree though that Sneddon's probably done a better job recruiting overall, but I still think he could do even better.

Also, I agree with Vazzano getting some starts and suggested the same last week.
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Gilligan recruited SOME good players, 10-12 over the course of 20+ years. I just don't consider that good recruiting.
 
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GreenCat said:
Orono, Maine? Durham, NH?p
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From what I've heard the small town not too far from the big city gig helps UNH with recruiting, not hurts it - specifically with Canadians. Ignoring Portsmouth (pop. 20k) and Dover (pop. 28k) right next door, 1 hour gets you to Boston, 45 minutes to Manchester - where does an hour get you to from Burlington?

GreenCat said:
Timmay is not loved in ME and Umile is not exactly Jerry York or Jack Parker?
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He's also only missed the NCAA's four times in 21 years, that's 1 less miss than Vermont has makes in their history. Further more, you were seeking to compare UNH (and ME) to UVM, not UNH to BU + BC, what does Sneddon's resume look like in comparison? 7 Regular Season Championships, 2 Hockey East Tournament Championships, 16 NCAA appearances, 4 Frozen Fours, 2 National Title games - .649 win % and only 1 season below .500 with a program that was in the doldrums from the mid-80's until he took over in '91 ('85: .384, '86: .176, '87: .250, '88: .283, '89: .353, '90: .500).

Again, yes ME and UNH have a longer history but your average 18 yr old recruit probably doesn't see much beyond the last 5 years and obviously the move to HE and a new emphasis on the program at Vermont along with NCAA appearances should be improving the attractiveness.
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I think you're being a bit simplistic here, though I don't claim to know what recruits look at, but last 5 years:
Maine: Frozen Four '06, '07
UNH: Regular Season Champions '07, '08, '10 National Tournament '06, '07, '08, '09, '10
Vermont: Frozen Four '09, National Tournament '10

We (the posters) are not taking away from UNH and ME simply stating we should be able to recruit as well as them based on being a like them in many criteria (again outside of the 30 year history).
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Which criteria? Edumaction seems to be your only win so far.

Facilities? Orono is not a great rink but I would say UNH is a step above iwith the Whittamore but it is a bit stale there. I think UVM could use a facility of that size. 8-9K seats would be a bad idea.
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I like the Gutt's old time barn feel, but the 15 year old Whitt is miles (not steps) above Gutterson as a facility.
 
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Re: The University of Vermont Official 2010-2011 Season Thread : Part 1

a win against a quality (uscho ranked) opponent! yay!
 
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midge843 said:
a win against a quality (uscho ranked) opponent! yay!
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Interestingly UVM has a better record against ranked opponents then unranked opponents albiet they both suck

2-6-2 against ranked teams and 0-2-2 against unranked teams. That doesn't bode well with SLU, Harvard, and OSU upcoming...:o

Of course the flip side of the coin is that hopefully it becomes a launching off of some type. Vermont played close games against DU, ME, MC, and BC (clearly not the 3rd game), with the upcoming schedule against #49 SLU, #51 Harvard and #32 OSU maybe the Cats can gain a bit of confidence and start a bit of a run heading into HE play. After a solo game against BU, UVM has 2 against NU and 2 against UMA, 2 against MC and 2 against PC. These are all teams UVM has to beat if they want to have any success this season and should beat, with possible a split at MC. That said, they certainly haven't shown they can to date. But again, their schedule is set up for them to be able to have some success through this stretch and hopefully gain some confidence. We know PC won't win a game after Jan and NU and UMA are struggling just as much as UVM. Hope this win sets them up...
 
Re: The University of Vermont Official 2010-2011 Season Thread : Part 1

Pretty quiet thread for a 6 goal outburst by the Cats against a ranked team?
 
Re: The University of Vermont Official 2010-2011 Season Thread : Part 1

it was a pretty exciting game to watch.. i certainly had no idea who was going to score last. great for dartmouth to come back after being down on the mat 3-0 early on and then again 4-1 early in the 2nd. probably one of those games where they walk away thinking its a tough loss and basically forget them were almost out of the game before it even started.

i'm not too sure there are many positives to take away from the game for vermont as dartmouth was victimized by some pretty horrific goaltending. specifically on both of the marshall goals; though i felt he earned his place on the score sheet as he was skating well and moving around the other team like a hot knife through butter. otherwise, dartmouth looked to be the better team - though slightly overrated in the pwr as of now.

cant figure out madore this year, he doesnt seem the same.. though his defense in front is pretty brutal and the goals rarely seem to be his fault. there was one dartmouth goal scored almost directly off the face off where #20 left his post in the front of the net to chase a guy behind the net who was a) already covered by the other defenseman and b) didnt even have the puck. it basically created a 2 on 0 in front of madore for an easy goal.
 
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SteveF said:
it was a pretty exciting game to watch.. i certainly had no idea who was going to score last. great for dartmouth to come back after being down on the mat 3-0 early on and then again 4-1 early in the 2nd. probably one of those games where they walk away thinking its a tough loss and basically forget them were almost out of the game before it even started.

i'm not too sure there are many positives to take away from the game for vermont as dartmouth was victimized by some pretty horrific goaltending. specifically on both of the marshall goals; though i felt he earned his place on the score sheet as he was skating well and moving around the other team like a hot knife through butter. otherwise, dartmouth looked to be the better team - though slightly overrated in the pwr as of now.

cant figure out madore this year, he doesnt seem the same.. though his defense in front is pretty brutal and the goals rarely seem to be his fault. there was one dartmouth goal scored almost directly off the face off where #20 left his post in the front of the net to chase a guy behind the net who was a) already covered by the other defenseman and b) didnt even have the puck. it basically created a 2 on 0 in front of madore for an easy goal.
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As someone who also watched the game on ESPNU, I completely agree with you. It was a nice win, but some very soft goals early. The second that was scored (stalberg's first of two) was a filthy shot. That's the way to pick a corner up high through traffic. Aside from that, this is clearly a team that is in rebuilding mode. I'm hoping they spend the rest of the year working on the fundamentals, maturation, and playing tighter D. I'm looking forward to what could be a bright couple years to come.
 
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Where does an hour ride get you from Burlington? A nice boat ride around the lake? But seriously I'm looking forward to last weekend of the season in Burlington.
 
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UML said:
Where does an hour ride get you from Burlington? A nice boat ride around the lake? But seriously I'm looking forward to last weekend of the season in Burlington.
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Montreal, Canada home of the winningest NHL franchise in history and the heart of Hockey!!!!;)
 
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SteveF said:
cant figure out madore this year, he doesnt seem the same.. though his defense in front is pretty brutal and the goals rarely seem to be his fault. there was one dartmouth goal scored almost directly off the face off where #20 left his post in the front of the net to chase a guy behind the net who was a) already covered by the other defenseman and b) didnt even have the puck. it basically created a 2 on 0 in front of madore for an easy goal.
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I agree with this. Madore seems to be playing just fine in net but it isn't equaling results. Although he seems to be making the saves he should be it just doesn't seem like he can steal a game. But when you look at the goals scored on him by and large its the D leaving him out to dry. Personally I think its time Madore gets a break. Vazzano Jr, was a highly touted goalie ranking 5th among N. American goalies at one point. I think it's time he gets a chance in net. Not because I'm down on Madore, just that sometimes a team responds to a goalie change and this team needs to respond to something. SLU is a great place to start, Its a weaker team, if Vazzano is a bit shaky replace him with Madore. But something has to give, this team is definitely underachieving. They are a mid pack team playing like they're UML.
 
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Last game before the break. Per the BFP, Medvec and MacKenzie out with upper body injuries and are listed day to day. Brickley also not available due to the World Juniors tryout camp. It will be interesting to see the lines once they are posted, especially the D pairings.

Miller and Lawson could get some serious ice time today. Bruneteau had a rough game vs. Dartmouth with some passes that were intercepted. Hopefully that was just a one game thing. An even bigger question is can Marshall put 2 games in a row together with some scoring touches.
 
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