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THE University of MICHIGAN 2021-22

"Woke" is such a wonderful term for the right, because they can complain about something that they themselves define. And its a nebulous enough bogeyman to encompass legitimate offensive crap that most people find offensive, and stuff that only 5 people complain about. But for both, the TV watchers being told stories about "woke" being a danger can get outraged without having to address the substance.

How about we find out what happened, before we complain about someone being railroaded.
 
manurespreader said:
You can leave the politics out if you don't mind and using the dog whistle term woke is offensive to me and i'm sure others.
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Apologies for offending your sensibilities; it does seem to hit a defensive nerve with some. It is a cultural, not political statement, and is the reality of the day unfortunately. I will chose openness. But thanks for the advice.
 
model94 said:
Apologies for offending your sensibilities; it does seem to hit a defensive nerve with some. It is a cultural, not political statement, and is the reality of the day unfortunately. I will chose openness. But thanks for the advice.
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ummm, ok but you used it in a pejorative way. It was meant as an insult and taken as such.

Back 5 years ago now there was a young teenage girl in rural Alabama who happened to be gay. A trump rally came to Birmingham and the airwaves were filled with right wing condemnation of gay people. The next morning her farmer father found her hanging in the barn and cut her down. One can only imagine the feeling she had to have prior to taking her own life that way, or the feelings of her father while he cut her down.
I say this because being gay is not a choice. Teachers can't promote gayness because even if they wanted to it wouldn't work. I think what Democrats are trying to say is that wouldn't it be better for society as a whole to find a way to accommodate gay people rather than have things like this happen. Don't Gay people have a right to love whoever they want? Isn't it better to love someone, anyone, rather than go thru life by yourself? And how does that negatively affect you anyway? If that philosophy is being Woke, then i'm guilty.
 
It's May 1, Blashill has been fired.

Yet he's not HC of Michigan Hockey- so much for that prediction.

Oh, and it's May 1, one day after Mel's contract expired- and he was not "let go" for the simplicity of letting the contract run out. So much for that vision..

While it's still possible that he will be let go, the concepts that our fans up in the UP, NoDak, and Boston have kind of fallen on their heads. Thank you all, so much, for your "concerns"- please remember to get something from the M-Den on your way out.
 
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MichVandal said:
It's May 1, Blashill has been fired.

Yet he's not HC of Michigan Hockey- so much for that prediction.

Oh, and it's May 1, one day after Mel's contract expired- and he was not "let go" for the simplicity of letting the contract run out. So much for that vision..

While it's still possible that he will be let go, the concepts that our fans up in the UP, NoDak, and Boston have kind of fallen on their heads. Thank you all, so much, for your "concerns"- please remember to get something from the M-Den on your way out.
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People with no access to the investigation are outraged!
 
DrunkTrainPolka said:
let's just stick with the facts;

it's may 1st and michigan doesn't have a HC.
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What facts do you base that? How do you know there isn't a temporary extension?

The more accurate fact is that Pearson has not been let go, officially. Otherwise, that would have been noted, since there would be a significant job opening.

Either way, the April 30 predictions have not come true- Blashill isn't coach, and Pearson has not been let go for the ease of it.

The other fact is that there has not been an exodus of current and future players. Just one future player, probably because he wanted to play next season.
 
MichVandal said:
What facts do you base that? How do you know there isn't a temporary extension?

The more accurate fact is that Pearson has not been let go, officially. Otherwise, that would have been noted, since there would be a significant job opening.

Either way, the April 30 predictions have not come true- Blashill isn't coach, and Pearson has not been let go for the ease of it.

The other fact is that there has not been an exodus of current and future players. Just one future player, probably because he wanted to play next season.
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I think you are probably right about a temporary extension. I don't know Michigan implied contract law, but in some states if the parties continue to operate as though a contract exists following the expiration of a valid contract, then a new implied contract is formed (and in some states, for the same terms (pay plus length) as the previous contract). If there is not a separate/temporary extension in place, UM could potentially open itself up to a huge can of worms if they ultimately decide to move on from Mel (i.e. pay him for x years). The fact that they are continuing to treat him as their head coach leads me to believe one of three things is at play: (1) there is a temporary extension in place (probably subject to finalizing the terms of a longer term extension); (2) the parties have come to terms on an extension, and the lawyers are just working out the final details; or (3) UM has no clue what they are doing. At this stage, I would lean towards (1) or (2), particularly in light of your last point that there has been very little player movement.
 
MichVandal said:
What facts do you base that? How do you know there isn't a temporary extension?

The more accurate fact is that Pearson has not been let go, officially. Otherwise, that would have been noted, since there would be a significant job opening.

Either way, the April 30 predictions have not come true- Blashill isn't coach, and Pearson has not been let go for the ease of it.

The other fact is that there has not been an exodus of current and future players. Just one future player, probably because he wanted to play next season.
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per the detroit news article;

"Michigan hockey coach Mel Pearson remains as head coach despite his original five-year contract expiring Saturday without an extension in place."

so... he is the coach and he is not the coach. i guess folks in the uofm english department are having a hands-on in-house example of what an oxymoron is. ...or maybe it's a paradox. but a pandora's box it surely is. good for them.

with an expired contract and an extension not in place... he is "still" the coach. right, right, right... "he will be fine."

the choices (or lack of) being made just go to show how serious the allegations and investigation are. but i will say uofm is playing the cards right by not having him under contract; that way they don't have to release the report if they decide to part ways. this is the best reality tv show i have ever watched...
 
DrunkTrainPolka said:
per the detroit news article;

"Michigan hockey coach Mel Pearson remains as head coach despite his original five-year contract expiring Saturday without an extension in place."

so... he is the coach and he is not the coach. i guess folks in the uofm english department are having a hands-on in-house example of what an oxymoron is. ...or maybe it's a paradox. but a pandora's box it surely is. good for them.

with an expired contract and an extension not in place... he is "still" the coach. right, right, right... "he will be fine."

the choices (or lack of) being made just go to show how serious the allegations and investigation are. but i will say uofm is playing the cards right by not having him under contract; that way they don't have to release the report if they decide to part ways. this is the best reality tv show i have ever watched...
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You are assuming that there's not a temporary extension in place. Having one makes logical sense when you have an investigation to finish before a decision is made.

BTW, in your "evidence" where does it say that Mel's not the coach anymore? My English may be poor, but I read that the contract expired but he's still the HC. Neither of us have any idea what is going on in the background, but given what continues to be the "official" position, sure seems that there's a temporary extension in place.

And I did say that he could still be let go, but all of the easy predictions have not come true- else the announcement that there was a major opening in the Athletic Department would have been made so that it could be filled as quickly as possible. Clearly the "seriousness" of the situation has not warranted 1) and immediate firing, 2) the contract being just let go at the end of term, and 3) an exodus of players from the program.

Not sure why this is so interesting to you- it's pretty freaking boring without any news being said. Literally nothing unusual has happened- the players who went pro were completely expected, having one player de-commit is hardly shocking, and none of the predictions that were supposed to happen by now have happened. Kind of reminds me of a group of people and an election that recently happened.

But if you really enjoy this, Michigan's advertisers very much appreciate your attention.
 
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You are assuming that there's not a temporary extension in place. Having one makes logical sense when you have an investigation to finish before a decision is made.

BTW, in your "evidence" where does it say that Mel's not the coach anymore? My English may be poor, but I read that the contract expired but he's still the HC. Neither of us have any idea what is going on in the background, but given what continues to be the "official" position, sure seems that there's a temporary extension in place.

And I did say that he could still be let go, but all of the easy predictions have not come true- else the announcement that there was a major opening in the Athletic Department would have been made so that it could be filled as quickly as possible. Clearly the "seriousness" of the situation has not warranted 1) and immediate firing, 2) the contract being just let go at the end of term, and 3) an exodus of players from the program.

Not sure why this is so interesting to you- it's pretty freaking boring without any news being said. Literally nothing unusual has happened- the players who went pro were completely expected, having one player de-commit is hardly shocking, and none of the predictions that were supposed to happen by now have happened. Kind of reminds me of a group of people and an election that recently happened.

But if you really enjoy this, Michigan's advertisers very much appreciate your attention.
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if i said i wasn't enjoying all of this mess, it would be a lie...

i can care less what happens as long as it's the right thing; if he was wrong, he better be gone. if he wasn't so be it...

i don't think mel pearson is a good person - his desperation to win both at tech and uofm seemed to have crossed many lines. it was toxic here, and from the looks of it, toxic in ann arbor as well. is that the kind of coach you want? while it took us tech fans a while to come to terms with it, joe shawhan has been a blessing - his integrity is insurmountable...

but when i say i wish you and yours luck, i mean it. because it's looking like you are gonna need it...
 
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Whether Mel Pearson is back or not, Michigan will be fine. He's 63 years old. They will have guys lining up for that job.

So what lines did Pearson cross at Tech considering you were all butthurt when he left?
 
DrunkTrainPolka said:
if i said i wasn't enjoying all of this mess, it would be a lie...

i can care less what happens as long as it's the right thing; if he was wrong, he better be gone. if he wasn't so be it...

i don't think mel pearson is a good person - his desperation to win both at tech and uofm seemed to have crossed many lines. it was toxic here, and from the looks of it, toxic in ann arbor as well. is that the kind of coach you want? while it took us tech fans a while to come to terms with it, joe shawhan has been a blessing - his integrity is insurmountable...

but when i say i wish you and yours luck, i mean it. because it's looking like you are gonna need it...
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Your enjoyment of all of this action explains why there are so many streaming services out there that put out crappy products.

People keep putting up "toxic" without explaining what that means. That's being thrown around here, too- and without examples of what they are talking about. Toxic to who and in what way? If it were toxic to the players, one would expect less of a product on the ice. I am aware of one shift from Red to Mel, but seeing the players coming in and how they are doing- it's not exactly playing out the way I would have expected that change to play out.

And if it really were *that* bad, he would have been let go Saturday, if not fired back in October. There's an incredibly short leash here for certain misconduct.
 
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