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The Top 25 College Hockey Teams of the NCAA Era

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Hmm...am I reading the contest scoring rules right? there is no difference in my score whether I have the # 2 team listed 3rd or listed 9th?

If it is, it is.....

a suggestion that I've seen others use that calculates people's scores based on how close your pick is to the actual pick....you sum up the squares of the difference between predicted place and actual place, and lowest score wins. In this method, if you wanted to give points for every team correctly identified as a top ten team, you'd subtract a fixed number of points for each team rather than add....
 
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FreshFish said:
Hmm...am I reading the contest scoring rules right? there is no difference in my score whether I have the # 2 team listed 3rd or listed 9th?
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If you have the #2 team listed 3rd you get 1/3 of the value of the #2 slot (in this case 20 points (60*1/3) + 3 for a correct top 10 team). If you had the #2 team listed 9th, you would only get three points.

For example, if you have the #2 team listed third, and the #3 team listed second, you would get 1/3 of 45 for the #3 team (15 points), 1/3 of 60 for the #2 team (20 points) plus 6 points for having 2 of the top 10 teams in your top 10 for a total of 41 points for those two picks. If you had them listed 8th and 9th you would only receive 6 points for having 2 of the top 10 teams in your top 10.
 
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Will this be coming out at 11:59PM on Jan 1st? ;)

I do have a question, although it's totally unrelated. Why does the site have a tourney forecast and bracketology section? Aren't they the same thing?
 
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Spartanforlife4 said:
Will this be coming out at 11:59PM on Jan 1st? ;)

I do have a question, although it's totally unrelated. Why does the site have a tourney forecast and bracketology section? Aren't they the same thing?
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#10 will be coming out VERY shortly.

Bracketology is basically how CHW thinks the Tournament would be set up currently.

Tournament Forecast is how CHW thinks the Tournament would be set up at the end of the Regular Season.
 
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Wow, never would have thought of putting them in. If that's the greatest team not to win a title, then that means my LSSU pick is also wrong.
 
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Spartanforlife4 said:
Wow, never would have thought of putting them in. If that's the greatest team not to win a title, then that means my LSSU pick is also wrong.
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It looks like no one got the top ten right (there appears to be an omission from the one list that did pick this MSU team 10th). I wonder if FS23 will let us know the highest number of top ten teams correctly identified without saying who picked them, just to tease out the interest a big more?
 
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FreshFish said:
It looks like no one got the top ten right (there appears to be an omission from the one list that did pick this MSU team 10th). I wonder if FS23 will let us know the highest number of top ten teams correctly identified without saying who picked them, just to tease out the interest a big more?
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The average was around 6 correct, with a few people getting as many as 9 correct.
 
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Fighting Sioux 23 said:
The average was around 6 correct, with a few people getting as many as 9 correct.
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It will be fun to see the list unfold. Since I know very little about the history of college hockey, I tried to work backward by studying your formula first and then trying to find profiles of teams that would fit it. I only looked at the part about the teams' records and not the part tied to the players' achievements.....curious to see how that approach turns out!

Thanks again for doing all the work to get this together. Happy New Year as well.
 
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So there are 19 entries with a reasonable chance to win...of those 19 entries, 6 teams were selected that after the release of #10, we know will not make the top 9:
1977-1978 Boston University (ranked 11th)
1988-1989 Harvard (not in top 25)
1990-1991 Lake Superior State (Didn't win NC)
1996-1997 Michigan (Didn't win NC)
2000-2001 Boston College (Ranked 20th)
2004-2005 Denver (Ranked 13th)

Here are the most picked teams:
1969-1970 Cornell 19
1992-1993 Maine 17
1960-1961 Denver 17
1986-1987 North Dakota 17
1984-1985 Rensselaer 15
2008-2009 Boston University 15
1990-1991 Northern Michigan 14
1948-1949 Boston College 13
1961-1962 Michigan Tech 9
1989-1990 Wisconsin 8
 
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The '01-'02 title winning Gophers had a 77.3 winning precentage, didn't lose a NC game (they did have 1 tie) and reached the WCHA title game. Assuming they don't make this list was it the lack of Broadmoor or McNaughton that made the difference?
 
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Slap Shot said:
The '01-'02 title winning Gophers had a 77.3 winning precentage, didn't lose a NC game (they did have 1 tie) and reached the WCHA title game. Assuming they don't make this list was it the lack of Broadmoor or McNaughton that made the difference?
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Once the list is completely out, I'll gladly answer any and all questions about specific teams, so remind me at that time.
 
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Shirtless Guy said:
So there are 19 entries with a reasonable chance to win...of those 19 entries, 6 teams were selected that after the release of #10, we know will not make the top 9:
1977-1978 Boston University (ranked 11th)
1988-1989 Harvard (not in top 25)
1990-1991 Lake Superior State (Didn't win NC)
1996-1997 Michigan (Didn't win NC)
2000-2001 Boston College (Ranked 20th)
2004-2005 Denver (Ranked 13th)

Here are the most picked teams:
1969-1970 Cornell 19
1992-1993 Maine 17
1960-1961 Denver 17
1986-1987 North Dakota 17
1984-1985 Rensselaer 15
2008-2009 Boston University 15
1990-1991 Northern Michigan 14
1948-1949 Boston College 13
1961-1962 Michigan Tech 9
1989-1990 Wisconsin 8
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Just out of curiosity, because I think I may be the only one who picked Harvard in the top ten, how are they already eliminated? They did win the NCAA championship in 1989, didn't they?
 
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aygwm2 said:
Just out of curiosity, because I think I may be the only one who picked Harvard in the top ten, how are they already eliminated? They did win the NCAA championship in 1989, didn't they?
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FS23 mentioned a long time ago that they were not in the top 25. Three people actually listed that Harvard team and I probably would have if I did not know they were not in the top 10.
 
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Shirtless Guy said:
FS23 mentioned a long time ago that they were not in the top 25.
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Oh well, wish I'd been paying attention. 31 - 3 and for Harvard to beat Minnesota in the final just seemed pretty good to me.

Thanks for your response.
 
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Shirtless Guy said:
Hey FS23, where is the schedule for release of the top 9?

Thanks
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Here is the scheduled dates of release for the Top 10 teams.

January 1st: #10
January 8th: #9
January 15th: #8
January 22nd: #7
January 29th: #6
February 5th: #5
February 12th: #4
February 19th: #3
February 26th: #2
February 26th: #1
 
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Shirtless Guy said:
Here are the most picked teams:
1969-1970 Cornell 19
1992-1993 Maine 17
1960-1961 Denver 17
1986-1987 North Dakota 17
1984-1985 Rensselaer 15
2008-2009 Boston University 15
1990-1991 Northern Michigan 14
1948-1949 Boston College 13
1961-1962 Michigan Tech 9
1989-1990 Wisconsin 8
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I wonder how many of the 19 entrants actually read the scoring criteria at the start of the thread?? I'd expect a few more teams to have made every ballot if people had!

There is a "player" section for points in FS23's formula, which I ignored because I was not sufficiently motivated to research it (heck if I wanted an RPI jersey that badly I could buy one!), and a "team achievement" section in his formula which is based on conference championships (regular season and tournament), record against tournament teams (both regular season and in tournament), and record in NCAA tournament.

It appears the '97-'98 MSU team racked up points in the "player" section....for the other section, it seems to me that the highest-rated teams would win both the conference regular season and tournament championship, the NCAA championship, and also win some regular-season games against other tournament teams. Then you'd add in the "player" section for an overall score.

In other words, I'd have expected about four or five teams to be on every ballot (and I can see one glaring omission from mine when I look at this list! oh well....:( ).



PS to Shirtless: thanks for compiling this list!
 
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FreshFish said:
I wonder how many of the 19 entrants actually read the scoring criteria at the start of the thread?? I'd expect a few more teams to have made every ballot if people had!

There is a "player" section for points in FS23's formula, which I ignored because I was not sufficiently motivated to research it (heck if I wanted an RPI jersey that badly I could buy one!), and a "team achievement" section in his formula which is based on conference championships (regular season and tournament), record against tournament teams (both regular season and in tournament), and record in NCAA tournament.

It appears the '97-'98 MSU team racked up points in the "player" section....for the other section, it seems to me that the highest-rated teams would win both the conference regular season and tournament championship, the NCAA championship, and also win some regular-season games against other tournament teams. Then you'd add in the "player" section for an overall score.

In other words, I'd have expected about four or five teams to be on every ballot (and I can see one glaring omission from mine when I look at this list! oh well....:( ).



PS to Shirtless: thanks for compiling this list!
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I was a little surprised that a few teams were left off some ballots, but I suppose that was to be expected given the nature of the contest.

Also, I'll add that there is a dominance portion to the formula as well that seemed to be overlooked. Michigan State did well in the "player section", but not over the top fantastic. The Spartans piled up points by beating a lot of NCAA Tournament teams, and beating them convincingly. Also, it helps to win your conference tournament titles. Had that Spartan squad won the NCAA title, they would have probably been in the top 3-5.

FWIW, I was very surprised that this MSU squad did so well when I was crunching numbers and applying the formula, but looking back at that team, they were awesome.
 
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