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The Top 25 College Hockey Teams of the NCAA Era

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Ralph Baer said:
I didn't realize that Mo Mansi and John Tiano were so important. :p

Seriously, that's by position. Maine could win on gap measured in points.
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Apparently they were :p:D:D

And yes, Maine's gap is by about 137 points, while RPI's gap is by about 82 points.

Also, I had mistyped Maine's actual point value. Their number was slightly less, as they were at 313.0949.
 
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Fighting Sioux 23 said:
It really has to do with the extra games Maine played. If you look at the formula from a points/game viewpoint, the two are significantly closer (essentially tied). Had Cornell played 45 games, they would likely have been significantly closer (if not ahead). That being said, it was definitely interesting seeing such a large separation when the rest of the teams are so tightly bunched (for the most part).
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That make sense. That gap just seemed huge to me, like the kind where Maine would be expected to win 7-8 out of 10 games if they played.
 
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If either Union or Boston College wins this year's tournament, any chance either one of them could crack the top 25?
 
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FreshFish said:
If either Union or Boston College wins this year's tournament, any chance either one of them could crack the top 25?
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If not top 25, then we're at least top 26. :)

I had to beat everyone to the punch because that was too easy.
 
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FreshFish said:
If either Union or Boston College wins this year's tournament, any chance either one of them could crack the top 25?
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Boston College has an outside chance to do so. Union won't crack the top 25. If they win it all, they likely break the top 100, perhaps reaching as high as maybe 75 or so...obviously it will depend on what happens in Tampa. If Minnesota wins they probably come very close to cracking the top 100, and if Ferris State takes the title, they probably wind up at about 150ish.

To me, the more interesting opportunities for changes are in the Greatest Programs formula. Minnesota likely moves up to #2 with a title. BC can jump as high as #4. Union or Ferris State will make a meteoric rise by winning the title...a lot of opportunity for things to shake up there.
 
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BTW, I have finished putting the data in for every team that ever made the NCAA Tournament (including a couple that didn't). The data is complete for 524 of the 540 teams with just a few things left for the 16 teams from this season. When the season ends, I should be able to put up the entire list within about a week or so after the season. Until then, if you want to know where a specific team is currently ranked, just let me know.
 
Fighting Sioux 23 said:
BTW, I have finished putting the data in for every team that ever made the NCAA Tournament (including a couple that didn't). The data is complete for 524 of the 540 teams with just a few things left for the 16 teams from this season. When the season ends, I should be able to put up the entire list within about a week or so after the season. Until then, if you want to know where a specific team is currently ranked, just let me know.
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02-03 Minnesota State?
 
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Another interesting perspective that I like to look at is the best team within a given year. After putting the data in for all the NCAA Tournament teams, here are the #1 teams from each season (w/national champion in parenthesis)...

2010-2011: North Dakota (Duluth was #6)
2009-2010: Miami (BC was #3)
2008-2009: BU
2007-2008: Michigan (BC was #6
2006-2007: Notre Dame (MSU was #8)
2005-2006: Wisconsin
2004-2005: Denver
2003-2004: North Dakota (DU was #7)
2002-2003: Colorado College (Minnesota was #3)
2001-2002: New Hampshire (Minnesota was #2)
2000-2001: BC
1999-2000: North Dakota
1998-1999: New Hampshire (Maine was #3)
1997-1998: Michigan State (UM was #3)
1996-1997: North Dakota
1995-1996: Michigan
1994-1995: BU
1993-1994: BU (LSSU was #3)
1992-1993: Maine
1991-1992: LSSU
1990-1991: Northern Michigan
1989-1990: Wisconsin
1988-1989: Michigan State (Harvard was #2)
1987-1988: LSSU
1986-1987: North Dakota
1985-1986: Michigan State
1984-1985: RPI
1983-1984: Bowling Green
1982-1983: Wisconsin
1981-1982: Wisconsin (North Dakota was #2)
1980-1981: Minnesota (Wisconsin was #5)
1979-1980: North Dakota
1978-1979: Bowling Green (Minnesota was #2)
1977-1978: BU
1976-1977: Wisconsin
1975-1976: Michigan Tech (Minnesota was #4)
1974-1975: Michigan Tech
1973-1974: Michigan Tech (Minnesota was #4)
1972-1973: Denver (Wisconsin was #2)
1971-1972: BU
1970-1971: BU
1969-1970: Cornell
1968-1969: Cornell (Denver was #2)
1967-1968: Denver
1966-1967: Cornell
1965-1966: Clarkson (Michigan State was #4)
1964-1965: Michigan Tech
1963-1964: Michigan
1962-1963: North Dakota
1961-1962: Michigan Tech
1960-1961: Denver
1959-1960: Denver
1958-1959: Michigan State (North Dakota was #3)
1957-1958: North Dakota (Denver was #2)
1956-1957: Colorado College
1955-1956: Clarkson (UM was #2)
1954-1955: Colorado College (UM was #2)
1953-1954: Minnesota (RPI was #2)
1952-1953: Minnesota (UM was #2)
1951-1952: Michigan
1950-1951: Michigan
1949-1950: Michigan (CC was #3)
1948-1949: BC
1947-1948: Michigan
 
Re: The Top 25 College Hockey Teams of the NCAA Era

As predicted, the 2011-2012 Boston College Eagles did indeed break into the Top 25...

http://www.collegehockeyweekly.com/Greatest-Teams.html

The Eagles finished at #24 w/189.4434 points.

Here is where the rest of the 2012 NCAA Tournament Teams finished...
#171 - Union - 110.434 points
#205 - Ferris State - 98.9691 points
#212 - Minnesota - 97.2768 points
#230 - Michigan - 91.8006 points
#286 - Minnesota Duluth - 78.2668 points
#308 - North Dakota - 74.052 points
#324 - Western Michigan - 70.0188 points
#328 - Massachusetts Lowell - 69.5945 points
#337 - Miami - 67.86 points
#375 - Boston University - 61.0419 points
#377 - Denver - 61.0079 points
#390 - Maine - 58.205 points
#425 - Air Force - 49.6376 points
#474 - Cornell - 38.716 points
#487 - Michigan State - 35.8786 points
(# out of 540 teams)

What does that tell us? (according to the formula)
The 4 best teams made it to the Frozen Four.
BC was significantly better than anyone else in college hockey.
Cornell's victory over Michigan was the biggest upset of the tournament.
The only other upset was Ferris State beating Union in the Frozen Four.

I haven't compared this year to other years, but it does seem that this was a down year in general, at least for dominant teams. Looking at it a different way, there was a lot of parity in college hockey this year.
 
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Fighting Sioux 23 said:
What does that tell us? (according to the formula)
The 4 best teams made it to the Frozen Four.
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No, it does not show that. It shows that the four teams that made the FF are considered the best by your formula. Run the formula without considering making the Frozen Four or anything after that. Is Minne still ahead of Mich? Or flip the Union/Ferris QF result - does that flip them in your formula? In other words, which came first: the chicken or the egg? Did the best teams do well? Or are the teams that did well considered the best?
 
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UncleRay said:
No, it does not show that. It shows that the four teams that made the FF are considered the best by your formula. Run the formula without considering making the Frozen Four or anything after that. Is Minne still ahead of Mich? Or flip the Union/Ferris QF result - does that flip them in your formula? In other words, which came first: the chicken or the egg? Did the best teams do well? Or are the teams that did well considered the best?
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That's why I put "according to the formula" right next to the "what does that tell us?" ;)
 
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UncleRay said:
No, it does not show that. It shows that the four teams that made the FF are considered the best by your formula. Run the formula without considering making the Frozen Four or anything after that. Is Minne still ahead of Mich? Or flip the Union/Ferris QF result - does that flip them in your formula? In other words, which came first: the chicken or the egg? Did the best teams do well? Or are the teams that did well considered the best?
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I would assume based on his formula, if you ignore the NCAA tournament, Michigan is Top 4...
 
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Shirtless Guy said:
I would assume based on his formula, if you ignore the NCAA tournament, Michigan is Top 4...
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If I ignored the NCAA Tournament, they probably would not have been because who makes the NCAA Tournament and how teams do against those teams is a significant part of the formula. If it was ignored, you might as well just rank teams by winning percentage. Michigan had the 9th best winning percentage this year.
 
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Fighting Sioux 23 said:
If I ignored the NCAA Tournament, they probably would not have been because who makes the NCAA Tournament and how teams do against those teams is a significant part of the formula. If it was ignored, you might as well just rank teams by winning percentage. Michigan had the 9th best winning percentage this year.
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If you ignore the 15 games of the NCAA tournament but do count record against teams that earned a spot in the Tournament, Michigan is probably top 4, which means the 4 best teams heading in to the tournament did not make the frozen four which is what I think UncleRay is getting at.
 
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Shirtless Guy said:
If you ignore the 15 games of the NCAA tournament but do count record against teams that earned a spot in the Tournament, Michigan is probably top 4, which means the 4 best teams heading in to the tournament did not make the frozen four which is what I think UncleRay is getting at.
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Right, but it makes no sense to ignore those 15 games in determining the best teams in a season.
 
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