The Top 25 College Hockey Teams of the NCAA Era

[Fighting Sioux 23]

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If only the 70-71 Gophers could have beaten BU in the championship game. They would have ended the year 15-16-2 and been NCAA Champs.

That was the worst Final/Frozen Four team of all-time in the formula, with -8.0661 points. Had they won that game, they would barely have been on the + side of things.

 

[Fighting Sioux 23]

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May I ask where the following LSSU teams rank:

87-88
90-91
91-92
92-93
93-94

1991-1992 LSSU is currently #47 (168.116)
1987-1988 LSSU is currently #48 (167.2944)
1990-1991 LSSU is currently #55 (161.0032)
1993-1994 LSSU is currently #135 (120.7476)
1992-1993 LSSU is currently #136 (120.4959)

 

[Proud2baLaker]

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1991-1992 LSSU is currently #47 (168.116)
1987-1988 LSSU is currently #48 (167.2944)
1990-1991 LSSU is currently #55 (161.0032)
1993-1994 LSSU is currently #135 (120.7476)
1992-1993 LSSU is currently #136 (120.4959)

Thanks. I was hoping one of those teams would have been at least close to cracking the top 25. Oh well.

 

[Shirtless Guy]

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I wouldn't necessarily make that assumption.

hmm, somehow, I was unsubscribed to this thread...Well, considering if I don't make some assumption similar to that, it would have taken me forever to calculate all the possibilities...240 vs the 12 I did calculate...

 

[Fighting Sioux 23]

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Thanks. I was hoping one of those teams would have been at least close to cracking the top 25. Oh well.

They were definitely a dominant program in those years, and having teams in the top 100 is nothing to get too disappointed about...especially when you think that there have been over 3,000 teams to compete for the NCAA Championship.

 

[Fighting Sioux 23]

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hmm, somehow, I was unsubscribed to this thread...Well, considering if I don't make some assumption similar to that, it would have taken me forever to calculate all the possibilities...240 vs the 12 I did calculate...

Understandable. It was a logical assumption to make...especially given how nearly everyone had them #1/#2.

 

[Shirtless Guy]

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Understandable. It was a logical assumption to make...especially given how nearly everyone had them #1/#2.

I must say that its disappointing that I will get 9 of the 10 teams right and have like a 1 in 240 chance of winning it all

 

[Fighting Sioux 23]

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I must say that its disappointing that I will get 9 of the 10 teams right and have like a 1 in 240 chance of winning it all

I think a few people got 9 of 10 correct?

Either way, I'm sure CHW, if it remains online, will have other future contests and such.

Also, I got confirmation that #5 will be released Friday. #4 will be released Saturday. #3 will be released Sunday, followed by an announcement of the next release set (of which I am not a part of), followed by the release of #2 and #1 at the same time.

 

[Shirtless Guy]

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I think a few people got 9 of 10 correct?

Either way, I'm sure CHW, if it remains online, will have other future contests and such.

Also, I got confirmation that #5 will be released Friday. #4 will be released Saturday. #3 will be released Sunday, followed by an announcement of the next release set (of which I am not a part of), followed by the release of #2 and #1 at the same time.

there were 3 of us, myself, my girlfriend (with some help) and bumpreader.

 

[FreshFish]

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That depends on the eye of the beholder, and what "dominant" means. If Team A wins 50 games by 1 goal, and Team B wins 49 of 50, and the 49 wins were each by 10 goals, assuming the two sides never played each other, which side is more dominant? There are good arguments either way, and there is really not a "wrong" answer IMO.

That's a bit extreme of an example, certainly that would describe Maine vs Cornell though, whether a one-loss team is more "dominant" than a zero-loss team. Also, since we are discussing the Top 25 teams of the NCAA era, what is the highest ranked tandem of teams that played in the same season?? We'd have to assume that none of the top 25 teams played each other, right?

...given a less-skewed goal distribution, I think that there are so many different factors that affect goal differential that I myself would only give it a relatively small weighting if I included it at all. I've seen a few 21 - 0 scorelines for example, and in a 42-game season one 21 - 0 scoreline increases average goal differential by 0.5 per game. That's a bit extreme for me. If a team was faced with a situation in which half the roster had the flu, or the coach was strategically resting personnel, etc. etc. etc., there are all sorts of factors that affect goal differential that are not necessarily indictative of "dominance" so that I would not factor in goal differential very much. The '59 - '60 Denver team had a + 5.34 average goal differential per game and they did not make your top 25.

There is a famous story I've heard, not sure if I have every detail right, in which a team which had already clinched its playoff position was playing a season-ending game again
st the team that would be its first-round opponent if that team managed a win or a tie. The coach of the team that was assured of playoff position pulled his goalie with about ten minutes left in the last quarter so that he would wear down the other team's goalie and defensemen by forcing them constantly to defend merely to make it into the playoffs. The tactic worked, the team that had already clinched won their first round playoff fairly easily, coming in rested while the other team was beat (there must be some short time lag between the games for this to work, or I messed up a detail somewhere).

Don't get me wrong, I have a tremendous amount of respect for all the research and thought that have gone into this project. We are discussing minutia here not matters of substance.

 

[Ralph Baer]

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Yeah, that '66 Clarkson squad is currently #92 with 140.301 points.

You must have given them too much credit for beating RPI 16-1.

 

[Fighting Sioux 23]

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That's a bit extreme of an example, certainly that would describe Maine vs Cornell though, whether a one-loss team is more "dominant" than a zero-loss team. Also, since we are discussing the Top 25 teams of the NCAA era, what is the highest ranked tandem of teams that played in the same season?? We'd have to assume that none of the top 25 teams played each other, right?

That would be 2004-2005, where DU finished #13, and CC finished #27.

 

[Fighting Sioux 23]

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You must have given them too much credit for beating RPI 16-1.

FWIW, beating a team by 15 does not help a team out any more than beating them by 6. Now, you get special points if you beat RPI.

 

[burgie12]

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There is a famous story I've heard, not sure if I have every detail right, in which a team which had already clinched its playoff position was playing a season-ending game again
st the team that would be its first-round opponent if that team managed a win or a tie. The coach of the team that was assured of playoff position pulled his goalie with about ten minutes left in the last quarter so that he would wear down the other team's goalie and defensemen by forcing them constantly to defend merely to make it into the playoffs. The tactic worked, the team that had already clinched won their first round playoff fairly easily, coming in rested while the other team was beat (there must be some short time lag between the games for this to work, or I messed up a detail somewhere).

I've heard DocD make references to this back when the ECAC used a "mini-game" to decide playoff series back in the '80s.

RPI beat Colgate in the first game of the 1987 playoffs 9-1 and was losing the second game. Since there would be a mini-game immediately following if RPI lost and the series was split, Addessa pulled the goalie and just peppered Colgate with shots without caring if they scored an empty netter (or 3). RPI ended up losing the game 7-2 and then won the mini-game 2-0 to advance to the semis against Harvard.

 

[Shirtless Guy]

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Ok, I got bored and curious tonight:
of all 120 possibilities left.
29.6% statehockey
11.3% spartanforlife4
10.0% bumpreader
8.3% css228
7.5% dwollstadt
6.7% Moxie Girl
6.7% Shirtless Guy
6.7% vizoroo
5.0% siouxfaninseattle
4.2% Badger Abroad
3.3% fellowes
0.8% MindDoc
My best chance is if UND is 5th on friday, then DU is 4th on saturday.

 

[Bigus Paulus]

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FWIW, beating a team by 15 does not help a team out any more than beating them by 6. Now, you get special points if you beat RPI.

Are you saying that RPI influences the rankings?

 

[FreshFish]

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I must say that its disappointing that I will get 9 of the 10 teams right and have like a 1 in 240 chance of winning it all

Yes, the "system' that CHW used to score the rankings was very disappointing. Unless you were within one place of being correct, you could get 9 of 10 right and only score 27 points, while another person could only get 1 of 10 right and score 53!

 

[FreshFish]

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FWIW, beating a team by 15 does not help a team out any more than beating them by 6.

Hmm... how do you reconcile this quote with the one in which you say that a team that wins 49 of 50 games by 10 goals each is more dominant than a team that wins 50 of 50 games by 2 goals each?

 

[Fighting Sioux 23]

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Hmm... how do you reconcile this quote with the one in which you say that a team that wins 49 of 50 games by 10 goals each is more dominant than a team that wins 50 of 50 games by 2 goals each?

By saying that winning by 10 goals is more dominant than winning by 2 goals. The formula only awards dominance up to a certain point.

EDIT: Also, I never said that the team that won 49 of 50 by 10 was more dominant than the team that won 50 of 50 by 2.

 

[Fighting Sioux 23]

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Well, #5 is set to be released shortly. The plan is to do the first release each day at noon (eastern), then Sunday at 3 they are going to announce their new feature (I still do not know what it is). That will be followed by the unveiling of #2 and #1 at 6.

Of course, I will update when #5 is officially released. I hope everyone has enjoyed the list so far, and hopefully everyone enjoys the next couple of days. Also, if you like what CHW has done, and would like to see them stay around for awhile, donations are always helpful (they have a paypal button on the homepage).