The "There's no Special Prosecutor thread?" thread

[SJHovey]

Re: The "There's no Special Prosecutor thread?" thread

Meh, those who want to disavow him, let them. I don't want vengeance, I want a return to sanity and democracy. The ANC was right to let it go after apartheid. Bar the ringleaders from ever holding office again, but let the rank and file melt back into the gen pop. The world needs ditch diggers, and it's a waste to try to hunt them down. Not to mention that while you can't fix stupid, it's not illegal either.

The problem now is that we've gone too far down the "revenge politics" road to come back, at least in my lifetime.

 

[The Sicatoka]

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What real data do you have to question what is being investigated? What does “do it right” really mean?

I've said let Mueller follow the money.

But at least attempt to give the appearance of impartiality and seeking objective truth. Strzok failed that horribly. And it will haunt his former boss and agency.

 

[Kepler]

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The problem now is that we've gone too far down the "revenge politics" road to come back, at least in my lifetime.

Hardly. Clinton could have had Reagan's entire cabinet in prison on Iran-Contra. He let it go. Obama likewise with Cheney's criminal conspirators, profiteers, and war criminals. He let it pass.

But in my mind, those were mistakes. Those officials should have gone to prison. But their followers are just Useful Idiots. Let them, and Dump's, dissolve back into the great fondue pot of American stupidity. At the very least we may need their kids as cannon fodder.

 

[The Sicatoka]

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How is Mueller being biased against Trump? Cite examples or drop this ridiculous charade.

Mueller? No. He's actually done the right thing by kicking Strzok and his mistress to the curb.

Mueller having to do it, because of the findings by the FBI's IG, is what completely disappointing.

 

[The Sicatoka]

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Courtesy the WSJ:

“I want to believe the path you threw out for consideration in Andy’s office—that there’s no way [Trump] gets elected—but I’m afraid we can’t take that risk,” Mr. Strzok wrote Ms. Page in an Aug. 15, 2016 text. He added: “It’s like an insurance policy in the unlikely event you die before you’re 40.”

What “policy” would that be? The “Andy” in question is Andrew McCabe, the deputy FBI director. FBI officials are allowed to have political opinions, but what kind of action were they discussing that would amount to anti-Trump “insurance”?

In another exchange that month, Ms. Page forwarded a Trump-related article and wrote: “Maybe you’re meant to stay where you are because you’re meant to protect the country from that menace.” He thanked her and assured: “Of course I’ll try and approach it that way.” Mr. Strzok, recall, is the man who changed the words “grossly negligent” to “extremely careless” in James Comey’s July 2016 public exoneration of Hillary Clinton’s emails.

What is "like an insurance policy"? Some other path that was thrown out for consideration would be the logical inference. What would that other path be?

Ms. Page sure does seem to know how to stroke a guy's ego when she says, "Maybe you’re meant to stay where you are because you’re meant to protect the country from that menace.” Clearly with "menace" she was speaking of Mr. Putin, and not the subject of an FBI investigation. Or maybe she was speaking of McCabe, or Comey.

 

[GrinCDXX]

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Courtesy the WSJ:



What is "like an insurance policy"? Some other path that was thrown out for consideration would be the logical inference. What would that other path be?

Ms. Page sure does seem to know how to stroke a guy's ego when she says, "Maybe you’re meant to stay where you are because you’re meant to protect the country from that menace.” Clearly with "menace" she was speaking of Mr. Putin, and not the subject of an FBI investigation. Or maybe she was speaking of McCabe, or Comey.

Are you suggesting she isn't allowed to have political opinion of the subject of an FBI investigation?

And again, the answer to all these questions about what was meant by the text exchange is "we don't know". There's not nearly enough context there to know one way or the other whether it was something improper.

 

[GoldyDad2B]

Mueller? No. He's actually done the right thing by kicking Strzok and his mistress to the curb.

Mueller having to do it, because of the findings by the FBI's IG, is what completely disappointing.

Strzok texts included critical remarks of Trump, Clinton and Sanders. The sniveling Trump apologists on the Hill initially selectively leaked ONLY the texts critical of Trump to try to rile up those stuck in their echo chamber. That's the best they could do to try to whip up indignation with, what, their fourth charade each of which gets debunked. Nunez and Gowdy are the worst of what is wrong on the Hill, doing all they can to create fake distractions to the new leader they snivel for, anything to keep the truth that eventually comes out in the investigation out of their echo chamber. If you are still in that echo chamber they are making asses of you. Quit letting them lead you around like sheep.

 

[rufus]

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It can be both.

Do it.
Do it right.

Objective truth must be determined; subjective truth, like someone's opinion of another, can not be allowed to subrogate objective truth.

So I guess firing people on the investigation who were shown to be sending emails critical of Trump isn't doing it right?

Jesus, the lengths you go to for "both sides are equally bad" is a joke.

 

[The Sicatoka]

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Are you suggesting she isn't allowed to have political opinion of the subject of an FBI investigation?

Overtly? Apparently not. Proof? Mr. Mueller relieved her and Mr. Strzok from his investigative team.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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So I guess firing people on the investigation who were shown to be sending emails critical of Trump isn't doing it right?

Jesus, the lengths you go to for "both sides are equally bad" is a joke.

Pretzel's would be so lucky to be able to twist that much.

 

[The Sicatoka]

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So I guess firing people on the investigation who were shown to be sending emails critical of Trump isn't doing it right?

Mr. Mueller did the right thing in removing Mr. Strzok.
That he had to do it senior FBI investigative staff shows that staff to be, dare I say, extremely careless.

 

[dxmnkd316]

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Outside the last part dx gets it. If a lifelong Republican and a Republican leaning police force can't be trusted by Republicans to investigate Trump than logic dictates the problem is the Republicans themselves.

The last part was half joking to make a point.

 

[rufus]

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In October 2016, the FBI reached an agreement with Steele to pay him to continue his work, according to involved sources reported by The Washington Post.

They didn't buy the original, but tried to buy the sequel.

Ok then. When was this election held, BTW? You think the FBI saw things in that document that they felt worthy of further investigation? And since a guy they knew, worked with and trusted was already there in place, that he might as well keep working on it?

In no way does this resemble at all your paranoid delusional hypothetical of an FBI embarking on opposition research to candidate Obama.

Why don't you just come out and admit that you're simply a card-carrying supporter of right-wing authoritarianism?

 

[rufus]

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Courtesy the WSJ:



What is "like an insurance policy"? Some other path that was thrown out for consideration would be the logical inference. What would that other path be?

Why don't you wait to embark on your delusional conspiracy theories until you know what the answer to this is? It may be nothing at all like the fantasies running around in your head.

 

[The Sicatoka]

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It may be nothing at all ...

It was enough to get two senior FBI officials removed by Mr. Mueller from his investigative team. I'll put that a notch above "nothing" for now.

 

[GoldyDad2B]

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It's possible he's just stuck in the echo chamber. That's what a disinformation campaign seeks to do. Conservatives and liberals alike need to get the heck out of the echo chamber. Its keepers are laughing at us, they think we are too stupid to think for ourselves and call a crook a crook. As the founders opined, a well informed citizenry is critical to maintaining democracy. Fox and Brierbart have been engaging in propaganda and disinformation for a long time to try to "dumb down" America. I give the average Joe more credit, and think we'll come through this era limping, but still walking as a democracy. I'm waiting for more average Joes to bash their way out of the echo chamber...turn that trickle into a river. All it takes evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing.



QUOTE=rufus;6576478]Ok then. When was this election held, BTW? You think the FBI saw things in that document that they felt worthy of further investigation? And since a guy they knew, worked with and trusted was already there in place, that he might as well keep working on it?

In no way does this resemble at all your paranoid delusional hypothetical of an FBI embarking on opposition research to candidate
Obama.

Why don't you just come out and admit that you're simply a card-carrying supporter of right-wing authoritarianism?[/QUOTE]

 

[Kepler]

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The thing about the Echo Chamber is if you're born into it how would you know you're even in it?

Ironically I have more hope for old than young conservatives. Old conservatives remember a time when they still had information that conflicted with their programming. Young conservatives, raised on Fox and home schooled by dolts, have literally spent their lives trapped underground. They have no idea there even is sunshine, let alone what it feels like.

 

[GrinCDXX]

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Overtly? Apparently not. Proof? Mr. Mueller relieved her and Mr. Strzok from his investigative team.

You kind of dodged there. What were you suggesting when you said the menace must have been Putin, or someone other than Trump? I assumed you were being saracastic--as in, calling Trump a menace would have been proof of something sinister.

 

[GrinCDXX]

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Mr. Mueller did the right thing in removing Mr. Strzok.
That he had to do it senior FBI investigative staff shows that staff to be, dare I say, extremely careless.

No, it doesn't show that staff to be careless, it shows those two people were careless. It's pretty obvious what you're trying to do.

 

[GrinCDXX]

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It was enough to get two senior FBI officials removed by Mr. Mueller from his investigative team. I'll put that a notch above "nothing" for now.

But, it could very well be nothing above bad optics in a hyper politicized situation, it's perfectly reasonable to think that would be enough for Mueller to show them the door.