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The "There's no Special Prosecutor thread?" thread
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Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: The "There's no Special Prosecutor thread?" thread
One reason I post here and why I wish there were more conservatives here.
One reason I post here and why I wish there were more conservatives here.
The Sicatoka
Kicizapi Cetan
Re: The "There's no Special Prosecutor thread?" thread
It bore repeating, and certain parts emphasis.
It bore repeating, and certain parts emphasis.
The Sicatoka
Kicizapi Cetan
Re: The "There's no Special Prosecutor thread?" thread
The Federal Bureau of Investigation's Inspector General had to point out problems with personnel and how they were behaving to Special Prosecutor Mueller. Mr. Mueller had to relieve some of these personnel of their responsibilities to him and his investigation.
There is proof found by the FBI's IG that a sworn agent was setting up an "insurance policy" against a particular candidate. I won't go as far as Andrew C. McCarthy when he wrote in The Post that it “crosses the line between political banter and tainted law enforcement.” Heck, I won't go as far as Ari Fleischer and accuse the mainstream media of ignoring it — apparently because Mueller's investigation shan't be criticized.
"We" can't take that risk? Since when does the FBI decide the outcome of elections?
That is unacceptable behavior from law enforcement personnel. Period. It harms the agent, the Bureau, the investigation, and our democracy.
And before you all rip on me, imagine this: It is 2001, and the remnants of the Bush FBI had exchanged similar texts about "insurance policies" if Mr. Obama wins, and were hiring foreign agents to create dossiers, about Mr. Obama while investigating reports of his purported prior illegal activities. That, as well, would be unacceptable behavior from law enforcement.
The cops don't get to pick sides. If they do, they're called Gestapo.
The Federal Bureau of Investigation's Inspector General had to point out problems with personnel and how they were behaving to Special Prosecutor Mueller. Mr. Mueller had to relieve some of these personnel of their responsibilities to him and his investigation.
There is proof found by the FBI's IG that a sworn agent was setting up an "insurance policy" against a particular candidate. I won't go as far as Andrew C. McCarthy when he wrote in The Post that it “crosses the line between political banter and tainted law enforcement.” Heck, I won't go as far as Ari Fleischer and accuse the mainstream media of ignoring it — apparently because Mueller's investigation shan't be criticized.
"We" can't take that risk? Since when does the FBI decide the outcome of elections?
That is unacceptable behavior from law enforcement personnel. Period. It harms the agent, the Bureau, the investigation, and our democracy.
And before you all rip on me, imagine this: It is 2001, and the remnants of the Bush FBI had exchanged similar texts about "insurance policies" if Mr. Obama wins, and were hiring foreign agents to create dossiers, about Mr. Obama while investigating reports of his purported prior illegal activities. That, as well, would be unacceptable behavior from law enforcement.
The cops don't get to pick sides. If they do, they're called Gestapo.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: The "There's no Special Prosecutor thread?" thread
I quite agree with all of this in principle. But given the last 37 years of the GOP's relentless assault on democratic institutions, you'll have to excuse my eye roll. We're talking about a party which has transformed in my lifetime from a legitimate albeit misguided political organization to a domestic terror cell. What they are attempting to accuse the FBI of via a risible overreach is something that would count as a relatively benign day in their life.
I'm sure to a hardened criminal the justice system must feel like it's riddled with corruption.
I quite agree with all of this in principle. But given the last 37 years of the GOP's relentless assault on democratic institutions, you'll have to excuse my eye roll. We're talking about a party which has transformed in my lifetime from a legitimate albeit misguided political organization to a domestic terror cell. What they are attempting to accuse the FBI of via a risible overreach is something that would count as a relatively benign day in their life.
I'm sure to a hardened criminal the justice system must feel like it's riddled with corruption.
GoldyDad2B
New member
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Trump is desperately trying to discredit the investigation because he is afraid. He has been financed by "overseas" banks for years. Deutchebank lent him money and backed collecting off a $50M default and then lent him more money. Why? This is the bank that was fined last year for Russian money laundering. Trump named Wilbur Ross to a top position, a man who was the only board member from the US at Bank of Cyprus. That is reported to be is one of the most infamous money laundering banks in the world. Trump would love to purge the FBI of anyone who would not bow and pander to him and look the other way. Those encouraging that and justifying it are a hell of a lot less patriotic than a football player taking a knee at a football game.. If you get your news from Fox you need to stop checking your brain at the door if you actually care about living in a democracy. Purging the EPA of scientists and using very lame excuses to try to purge the FBI-- the selective outrage of those making excuses for Trump is disgusting and stupid. Trump should not be above the law, no matter your politics. Those who forged the Republican Party in the past are groaning from their graves at the pathetic shell that is left of ethics and patriotism in the GOP this year.
Trump is desperately trying to discredit the investigation because he is afraid. He has been financed by "overseas" banks for years. Deutchebank lent him money and backed collecting off a $50M default and then lent him more money. Why? This is the bank that was fined last year for Russian money laundering. Trump named Wilbur Ross to a top position, a man who was the only board member from the US at Bank of Cyprus. That is reported to be is one of the most infamous money laundering banks in the world. Trump would love to purge the FBI of anyone who would not bow and pander to him and look the other way. Those encouraging that and justifying it are a hell of a lot less patriotic than a football player taking a knee at a football game.. If you get your news from Fox you need to stop checking your brain at the door if you actually care about living in a democracy. Purging the EPA of scientists and using very lame excuses to try to purge the FBI-- the selective outrage of those making excuses for Trump is disgusting and stupid. Trump should not be above the law, no matter your politics. Those who forged the Republican Party in the past are groaning from their graves at the pathetic shell that is left of ethics and patriotism in the GOP this year.
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The Sicatoka
Kicizapi Cetan
Re: The "There's no Special Prosecutor thread?" thread
Kep, stay on point. This isn't about the Rs; it's about behavior by law enforcement. Once you go "the Rs are bad, hur-hur" you're no better than those you're trying to call out; you're merely playing political games. Or are you trying to distract from the issue.
The FBI, law enforcement, needs to return to being apolitical. Else we will become exactly what we fear most.
The cops putting a thumb on the scale is wrong. Period.
I quite agree with all of this in principle. But given the last 37 years of the GOP's relentless assault on democratic institutions, you'll have to excuse my eye roll. We're talking about a party which has transformed in my lifetime from a legitimate albeit misguided political organization to a domestic terror cell. What they are attempting to accuse the FBI of via a risible overreach is something that would count as a relatively benign day in their life.
I'm sure to a hardened criminal the justice system must feel like it's riddled with corruption.
Kep, stay on point. This isn't about the Rs; it's about behavior by law enforcement. Once you go "the Rs are bad, hur-hur" you're no better than those you're trying to call out; you're merely playing political games. Or are you trying to distract from the issue.
The FBI, law enforcement, needs to return to being apolitical. Else we will become exactly what we fear most.
The cops putting a thumb on the scale is wrong. Period.
Re: The "There's no Special Prosecutor thread?" thread
So you admit they are investigating Trump's illegal activities? If this were a black man gunned down in cold blood your response would be that he shouldn't have committed a crime...
So you admit they are investigating Trump's illegal activities? If this were a black man gunned down in cold blood your response would be that he shouldn't have committed a crime...
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Deutsche Gopher Fan
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Well he has a point. Everyone knows law enforcement at all levels has a huge liberal bias.
Well he has a point. Everyone knows law enforcement at all levels has a huge liberal bias.
What do you lose with this investigation?
It’s not as if they are going to nullify the election, as it has been announced that direct vote interference didn’t happen. Direct vote interference risk has been pointed out, so that should get fixed.
If our president gets caught up in this, it’s 100% his own fault and not a political witch hunt.
The idea that people like you want to stick your head in the sand and overlook other illegal interference blows my mind. What do you have to lose and gain with this? I’d very, very much want to know if someone who I support got illegal support. Did secretary Clinton get illegal support, as has been alleged?
You seem to ignore the Constitutional requirement for our government to be independent from other countries. And that is sad for the rest of us.
dxmnkd316
Lucia Apologist
Re: The "There's no Special Prosecutor thread?" thread
You’ve seriously convinced yourself that law enforcement was plotting a coup against trump.
You’ve seriously convinced yourself that law enforcement was plotting a coup against trump.
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Regarding the "insurance policy" analogy. We have no idea what he is even referring to there. Why aren't you waiting for the "manilla envelope" before going full Fox News shill?
Regarding the "insurance policy" analogy. We have no idea what he is even referring to there. Why aren't you waiting for the "manilla envelope" before going full Fox News shill?
Handyman
Hug someone you care about...
You understand the FBI is right leaning right? This fake fear that the FBI is rigging things against Trump is ludicrous.
Where was all this call to fix the FBI when you were using their investigation (one that found nothing) to disparage Secretary Clinton? I don't remember you ripping them at all in fact you defended them. Now all of a sudden they are biased and political? I wonder why that is...
It isn't the FBI that is the problem here...it is who they investigated. It is also sheep like you that don't seem to care why they are doing this. This isn't even original stuff it is right out of page 1 of the playbook. Hell I called it weeks ago.
The FBI isn't the problem Sica...you are. I get why Cletus in Bumphunk, AL buys this but you have access to facts and knowledge...you have zero excuse.
Put it this way it wasn't just to see Nazis who were bad, it was those that chose willful blindness as well. Your little Faux Libretarian Schtick makes you part of the problem and none of the solution.
If it’s not about party, then you should have no problem with this investigation.
This SHOULD be about country over party. Given where all of the attacks on this investigation is coming from, it’s very much party over country. Which is the opposite of patriotic.
Sad.
Re: The "There's no Special Prosecutor thread?" thread
Selective memory? or just too young to remember the controversy over the well-organized group of Chinese donors to Bill Clinton's re-election campaign?
Selective memory? or just too young to remember the controversy over the well-organized group of Chinese donors to Bill Clinton's re-election campaign?
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: The "There's no Special Prosecutor thread?" thread
My very point is the cops are not putting their thumb on the scale. I oppose that as well for all the excellent reasons you have articulated.
What is happening is X has gotten caught in a very serious crime, and X is trying to elide evidence of their crime by counter-accusing law enforcement of criminal activity. Because that's what criminals do. X could be R or D, that doesn't matter.
The partisanship here is X's followers are lining up to defend X and ignoring -- either cynically for practical political advantage or sincerely due to some psychological effect -- that X is a criminal.
My very point is the cops are not putting their thumb on the scale. I oppose that as well for all the excellent reasons you have articulated.
What is happening is X has gotten caught in a very serious crime, and X is trying to elide evidence of their crime by counter-accusing law enforcement of criminal activity. Because that's what criminals do. X could be R or D, that doesn't matter.
The partisanship here is X's followers are lining up to defend X and ignoring -- either cynically for practical political advantage or sincerely due to some psychological effect -- that X is a criminal.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: The "There's no Special Prosecutor thread?" thread
Hmm...what would you call it IF (hypothetical) it turns out that the FBI used spurious source material to obtain FISA warrants to eavesdrop on Trump campaign operatives?
We don't know whether or not that happened. If it did, then your scenario has some plausibility.
What about the converse though? That the FBI cleared Hilliary before the investigation really got started, and even went so far as deliberately to soften the language in a memo written to clear her? None of that is a plot against Trump, and at the same time it sure did have the appearance of the FBI playing politics on her behalf.
Hmm...what would you call it IF (hypothetical) it turns out that the FBI used spurious source material to obtain FISA warrants to eavesdrop on Trump campaign operatives?
We don't know whether or not that happened. If it did, then your scenario has some plausibility.
What about the converse though? That the FBI cleared Hilliary before the investigation really got started, and even went so far as deliberately to soften the language in a memo written to clear her? None of that is a plot against Trump, and at the same time it sure did have the appearance of the FBI playing politics on her behalf.
Handyman
Hug someone you care about...
Because he was banking that nothing would come if this. His schtick requires it. Two indictments down and more coming proves they don't need the manilla envelope cause these guys have zero loyalty. Just like the Mob sooner or later everyone turns rat.
Funny how though now that the FBI is investigating the The GOP they should be apolitical. Must be tough to be biased against the GOP when most of the leadership and rank and file vote with them.
Dx,
When you sell out you have to go all in. You can't falter or you remember what you really did. You have to accept 100% what is happening and embrace it. That means the FBI is screwing Trump, Mueller is a Dem Spy looking to destroy the GOP and tax cuts will save the Middle Class. Facts and logic no longer exist.
dxmnkd316
Lucia Apologist
Re: The "There's no Special Prosecutor thread?" thread
I’d call it terrifying because the judicial and executive branches of government both agreed there was enough evidence to think Trump’s campaign was colluding with or conspiring with foreign agents.
I’d call it terrifying because the judicial and executive branches of government both agreed there was enough evidence to think Trump’s campaign was colluding with or conspiring with foreign agents.