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The States: Maybe A National Divorce Is A Good Idea After All

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Slap Shot said:
Millions of women inhabited these states before these laws were enacted.
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Kepler said:
I didn't see anyone blame them, I saw people point out that it's not a great idea to live on the side of the volcano that killed your mother and her mother and her mother and...

We ridicule the Right for their magical thinking. We have our own people who close their eyes tightly and pretend Reality is what they wish it was, and who are then shocked when it turns out their wishes don't mean jack against the power of dogs and clubs wielded by thugs.

If you choose to live in New Orleans, you have to expect the flood. I'll help you when it ruins you, but I won't pretend you shouldn't have known better. You have brain cells and opposable thumbs, too.
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And we also have people who speak in the same Draconian tones they do and pretend that because we are "right" that makes their brand of authoritarianism ok.

Pretending life is so easy you can just uproot and move to a better state is ridiculous. First of all where will you live? It isn't exactly easy or cheap to move to a high standard of living state. Where will you work? Many of these women are undereducated.

What some of you are asking is moving from one misery to another. Easy for a bunch of middle or upper middle class men to say. Hell I made a move from one Blue State (MN) to another (Washington...Seattle to be exact) with enough money to get started and I was barely able to survive. I was in transient (i.e. drug dealer) housing having trouble finding work and I had an advanced degree. I was in ideal shape and struggled... what will their situation be like?

But hey screw em right? They choose to suffer because...reasons?

We. Are. Better. Than. This.
 
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Slap Shot said:
Millions of women inhabited these states before these laws were enacted. Again my point (for my last attempt to get through) is that to expect all of them to just move is not only the epitome of lacking empathy, but also sophomorically unrealistic
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It's also mysoginistic and cruel.
 
I don't know how I got roped into the "move" crowd. I'm not asking them to move. I am asking them to be self aware and to try and do what they have to do. A 10 year old managed to get out of state and get the healthcare she needed.
 
Actually, I'd be in favor of a national ban on foreign-owned farms. I know that's extremely protectionist but water is going to be the most strategic resource in my lifetime.

unless the farms are taxed at like 15,000% for resource usage, fuck off
 
dxmnkd316 said:
Actually, I'd be in favor of a national ban on foreign-owned farms. I know that's extremely protectionist but water is going to be the most strategic resource in my lifetime.

unless the farms are taxed at like 15,000% for resource usage, **** off
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Before we sign off on this I'd like to know what % US companies own. I'm sure it is likely more than a couple Latin American countries.
 
Kepler said:
Everyone can leave. Have you seen the Central Americans at the border? The poorest shotgun shack black Alabaman is Elon Musk in comparison.

Do not deny poor black people agency. That's racist.
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Of course they have agency. Moving costs a lot of time and money, and it’s merely stating a fact that black people have less money than white people to move. I’ll speculate it’s not easy at all to move away from family either, just to escape more draconian abortion laws. Black people have been living under the shadow of slavery and Jim Crow for centuries. What’s interesting is more black people are moving back into the South versus moving out. I don’t want to speculate for fear of being called racist by a rich white dude on a message board, but wait, I’ll speculate: job opportunities in more reasonably priced areas, like Dallas and Atlanta, versus say Boston or Chicago?
Comparing what’s happening to Central Americans in their home country that prompts them to move versus Americans wanting to move from their red states to blue states is asinine.

Edit: Black people like holding steady jobs just like us white folk. They’ll give up certain freedoms to obtain said jobs, just like us white folk. One of my black professors in college said she preferred living in the South versus living up North because “At least I can easily recognize the racism down here.” Blue states unequivocally have more civil rights/freedoms than red states, but clearly that’s not the sole reason, or even main reason, that’d make people uproot their families and lives and move.
 
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I'm a small town northerner, and I'm not prejudiced. I knew some people who were black when I was in college.
 
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burd said:
I'm a small town northerner, and I'm not prejudiced. I knew some people who were black when I was in college.
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Can’t tell if this was directed at me, but if it was, yeah, I am absolutely still prejudiced and racist, being from a small white northern town. I have definitely improved in the last 15 years, but I have a ways to go. I do my best to be empathetic and understanding. I still fail on many levels, but I strive to get better.
I love this message board. The differences of opinion among mostly white male liberal INTJs gives me a reason to keep coming back. Never expected USCHO cafe to be liberal when I discovered this section of it four years ago.
 
Every GF I ever had was white. Born in in the early 1960s in a privileged town outside NYC. Everybody I've ever met was racist. It's our birthright citizenship as Americans.

I'm just hoping it halves every generation. We'll never be rid of it, but hopefully it will asymptotically fall into the noise.
 
Kepler said:
Every GF I ever had was white. Born in in the early 1960s in a privileged town outside NYC. Everybody I've ever met was racist. It's our birthright citizenship as Americans.

I'm just hoping it halves every generation. We'll never be rid of it, but hopefully it will asymptotically fall into the noise.
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Agreed on all of that, minus the year born and city of birth.
 
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