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The States: Mad Scientist Laboratories of Democracy

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Congratulations Kansas.

http://www.upworthy.com/kansas-trie...ic-experiment-and-its-schools-suffered?c=ufb1

It's been four years since Kansas' economic experiment began. The state is financially unrecognizable.

By the end of 2015, Kansas had dropped to 39th in the country for job growth. The state has been downgraded in its credit rating. And researchers currently project budget shortfalls in the state totaling $1.1 billion through June 2019. The tax cuts that were supposed to jumpstart the economy and create jobs have actually done the opposite.

To help close the widening deficit gap, Brownback has dipped into the funding pool of public services and programs. Over and over again.

Health care, Medicaid, infrastructure, mental health services, and welfare have all been severely hit.
And one of the places where you can see the most impact of these funding cuts? In the classroom.

Since 2009, classrooms have gained more than 19,000 students, with 665 fewer teachers. Crowded classrooms mean full-time teachers are no longer able to give as much individual attention to their students, and yet the students keep pouring in.

It's not any better for part-time educators either.

"Because of tight budgets, we hire most of our para-educators for five and three-quarter hours so we don't have to pay them health insurance," says Kim Schneweis, art teacher.

"These are adults working with our most vulnerable students, and they make less than $10,000 a year and aren't provided health insurance," she adds. "This is inhumane to the employees. They work very hard with students who need so much help. This creates a revolving door. Even though we have caring people who love working with these students, they cannot live on that little of pay."
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And this is exactly what the country is headed for under Trump. This ^^ is the economics conservatives believe in.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
And this is exactly what the country is headed for under Trump. This ^^ is the economics conservatives believe in.
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Grover Norquist had a dream: destroy our public institutions and there will be nobody powerful enough to counter corporate feudalism. Never in his wildest dreams did he think he'd get 100% of what he wanted. :(

And millions of Republican voters will go to their graves proud that they helped destroy the one institution powerful enough for them to use to fight a class dedicated to their economic immiseration.

Gotta admit: the 1% are not stupid.
 
Kepler said:
Grover Norquist had a dream: destroy our public institutions and there will be nobody powerful enough to counter corporate feudalism. Never in his wildest dreams did he think he'd get 100% of what he wanted. :(

And millions of Republican voters will go to their graves proud that they helped destroy the one institution powerful enough for them to use to fight a class dedicated to their economic immiseration.

Gotta admit: the 1% are not stupid.
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The eventual civil war and bloodbath we are heading towards would be a fascinating thing to study.
 
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Jimjamesak said:
The eventual civil war and bloodbath we are heading towards would be a fascinating thing to study.
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We got through the Square Deal and the New Deal without much violence, and we can turn the tide on the plutes once again. We have a form of government where the people can recapture government from the wealthy without violence. After all, that is what Trump's voters thought they were doing. They just turned out to have been fooled. And of course that group will likely always be fooled because they have been perfectly penned by 1%'s propaganda and anti-intellectual goadings.

But.

How many of those guys are going to come out and vote for a Republican government that has destroyed the economy just as they rip away the social safety net? They'll never vote for a liberal, that's true. (Although ironically they likely would vote for an unabashed socialist, which is one reason the right's aristocracy is so frightened of them.) But the GOP owns this dumpster fire, now. And as we slide into the catastrophic consequences that always accompany plutocratic governance, liberals will be stronger and conservatives will have nothing to counter with.

Fox can keep ginning up fake news, but the real pain of life that the GOP will inflict on Americans will encourage the people to "throw the bums out." And now the bums are all one party.

Americans are f-cked. But conservatives are f-ckeder and Republicans are f-ckedest.
 
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Kepler said:
We got through the Square Deal and the New Deal without much violence, and we can turn the tide on the plutes once again. We have a form of government where the people can recapture government from the wealthy without violence. After all, that is what Trump's voters thought they were doing. They just turned out to have been fooled. And of course that group will likely always be fooled because they have been perfectly penned by 1%'s propaganda and anti-intellectual goadings.

But.

How many of those guys are going to come out and vote for a Republican government that has destroyed the economy just as they rip away the social safety net? They'll never vote for a liberal, that's true. (Although ironically they likely would vote for an unabashed socialist, which is one reason the right's aristocracy is so frightened of them.) But the GOP owns this dumpster fire, now. And as we slide into the catastrophic consequences that always accompany plutocratic governance, liberals will be stronger and conservatives will have nothing to counter with.

Fox can keep ginning up fake news, but the real pain of life that the GOP will inflict on Americans will encourage the people to "throw the bums out." And now the bums are all one party.

Americans are f-cked. But conservatives are f-ckeder and Republicans are f-ckedest.
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Tell that to all the states that continually elect Republicans despite the GOPers destroying their states. People are dumb and they have no clue what is really going on...
 
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Handyman said:
Tell that to all the states that continually elect Republicans despite the GOPers destroying their states. People are dumb and they have no clue what is really going on...
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A lot of people are dumb, and even among people who are smart many are uninformed or, if they watch Fox, misinformed. That's all true.

But Trump could run against the status quo because he didn't have to defend any sort of record or plan. Likewise the GOP was brilliantly able to turn this election into a run against the twin hobgoblins of Hillary and Obamacare, and then carpetbombed their prisoners with parades of horribles to get their meth mouth breathers to the polls.

Now they are the Establishment. And life won't get any better for their minions, while life will have gotten immeasurably worse for everyone not white, male, old, and rich. (Hey, wait a minute. This is starting to sound pretty good... :p ). So the psi driving the right to the polls -- anger with the status quo -- has nowhere to go. Meanwhile the entire rest of the country, a fraction which is demographically growing every day, will have at least the same incentive to go back to the polls as in 2016. Indeed, probably quite a bit more since they will be responding to pain not in the future and abstract but in the present and concrete.

I have no doubt the 2020 presidency will go to a Democrat if Trump is the nominee. For me the far more interesting question is can we start earlier in the state houses and Congress? The Plan should be to do to the GOP exactly what the GOP did with Obama: (1) turn the demonization up to eleven, and (2) make him the face of the entire party up and down every ballot. Our advantage is Trump will play right into our hands by being genuinely hateful. He cannot stop himself.
 
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Kepler said:
I have no doubt the 2020 presidency will go to a Democrat if Trump is the nominee. For me the far more interesting question is can we start earlier in the state houses and Congress? The Plan should be to do to the GOP exactly what the GOP did with Obama: (1) turn the demonization up to eleven, and (2) make him the face of the entire party up and down every ballot. Our advantage is Trump will play right into our hands by being genuinely hateful. He cannot stop himself.
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I don't agree. After having both houses in Minnesota go Red again this year after what they pulled 4-6 years ago or so I am convinced that they will always hold power in this country. It's in the DNA. It won't change.
 
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People in Flint Michigan werent motivated to vote out Republicans or even vote for President at all despite Republicans poisoning their water...sorry Kepler but you are out to lunch on this one.

You know those articles WaPo likes to print about the Drumpf voters being screwed over by Drumpf...you know what else they all say? They said people dont regret voting for him and my bet is they will do it again. They dont care, they think he is bigly smart!

You are the perfect representative of the disconnect that exists between the Left and the people. You assume that because you are right and smart that they will see it your way. They wont, because they dont have to and they dont want to. They want to believe that Bill Clinton having affairs is worthy of Impeachment but that Donald Grabbing Snatch is aok. they want to believe it was Reagan that ended the Cold War and that Obama is why the country is screwed. They hate everything Socialist but want their Medicare and Social Security. They dont live in a world of research and facts they live in the world 3 feet in front of their face. The Left thinks (often rightly) that they are stupid and so does the GOP the difference is the Left tells them how stupid they are to their face.

The only way the Dems can guarantee a win is by showing up.
 
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The only way the Dems can guarantee a win is by showing up.
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You know what cracks me up? Liberals are now comparing the Women's March to the Tea Party. That comparison does not work unless the liberals vote. So, until that happens the comparison does not work. Yet, they're comparing them already.
 
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You know what cracks me up? Liberals are now comparing the Women's March to the Tea Party. That comparison does not work unless the liberals vote. So, until that happens the comparison does not work. Yet, they're comparing them already.
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Everybody agrees that the work only started with the march. In fact every conversation related to the topic that I heard during the march made that point explicitly.

I know you have your shtick, but whenever it runs into anything I know something about or have had personal experience with, it rings so hollow. You make these broad dramatic clickbait-like statements but there is nothing behind them. You're shrewd enough to know what's happening; are you sedulous enough to help?
 
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Kepler said:
Everybody agrees that the work only started with the march. In fact every conversation related to the topic that I heard during the march made that point explicitly.

I know you have your shtick, but whenever it runs into anything I know something about or have had personal experience with, it rings so hollow. You make these broad dramatic clickbait-like statements but there is nothing behind them. You're shrewd enough to know what's happening; are you sedulous enough to help?
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I go off of my own experience and I've documented that here. I'll say it again and try not to stutter. Republicans are back in power in Minnesota after spending 100% of their time the last time they were in power on gay marriage and voter ID. Both of these things were rejected. The Democrats used that opportunity to gain power back for all of one cycle and now are out of power again.

Which part of massive Republican control don't you understand? After 8 years of George W. Bush that party never should have been in power anywhere. And yet, here we are again. They know how to vote, Democrats do not. Democrats learned nothing from 2000 and my evidence of that is 2016.
 
Kepler said:
Everybody agrees that the work only started with the march. In fact every conversation related to the topic that I heard during the march made that point explicitly.

I know you have your shtick, but whenever it runs into anything I know something about or have had personal experience with, it rings so hollow. You make these broad dramatic clickbait-like statements but there is nothing behind them. You're shrewd enough to know what's happening; are you sedulous enough to help?
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People thought the same thing about the occupy wall street movement. That turned into a shiat show within a couple weeks.

I'll believe this will turn into actual votes or action when I see it. Until then, I'm as skeptical as scooby.
 
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unofan said:
People thought the same thing about the occupy wall street movement. That turned into a shiat show within a couple weeks.

I'll believe this will turn into actual votes or action when I see it. Until then, I'm as skeptical as scooby.
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Great example. I had forgotten all about that movement.
 
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unofan said:
People thought the same thing about the occupy wall street movement. That turned into a shiat show within a couple weeks.

I'll believe this will turn into actual votes or action when I see it. Until then, I'm as skeptical as scooby.
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Count me in too. Had this conversation with a woman at work who went to the march. Its all for sh it if these people don't vote next time, or decide to vote 3rd party.
 
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