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The States: Doing Their Own Thing...
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bronconick
Yep, still here
Re: The States: Doing Their Own Thing...
The Dems didn't bother running anyone there from 2012-16. They literally didn't compete at all.
The Dems didn't bother running anyone there from 2012-16. They literally didn't compete at all.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: The States: Doing Their Own Thing...
The only bad thing about early voting is it really screws up exit polling. Otherwise we'd know.
Hitherto I've been thinking the big swings are due to moderate Republicans staying home, all Democrats being more energized, and third party voters switching to the Dems in self-defense to get rid of these vicious cretins.
If I were the GOP (or Russia) I'd astro-turf Green Party candidates in every 2018 and 2020 race.
The only bad thing about early voting is it really screws up exit polling. Otherwise we'd know.
Hitherto I've been thinking the big swings are due to moderate Republicans staying home, all Democrats being more energized, and third party voters switching to the Dems in self-defense to get rid of these vicious cretins.
If I were the GOP (or Russia) I'd astro-turf Green Party candidates in every 2018 and 2020 race.
Handyman
Hug someone you care about...
Re: The States: Doing Their Own Thing...
The Dems knew they couldnt win so they didnt dump a million dollars into tv ads like he GOP did. The GOP was knocking on doors, texting, robocalling to get every voter they could out. The Dems didnt do anything and the independents flocked to them.
The math was never going to work for the Dems, the key was making the GOP overspend to keep the seat. And even with all of the work they did, the fear mongering and the white home advantage they barely did that.
The Dems knew they couldnt win so they didnt dump a million dollars into tv ads like he GOP did. The GOP was knocking on doors, texting, robocalling to get every voter they could out. The Dems didnt do anything and the independents flocked to them.
The math was never going to work for the Dems, the key was making the GOP overspend to keep the seat. And even with all of the work they did, the fear mongering and the white home advantage they barely did that.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: The States: Doing Their Own Thing...
I'm not sure it's possible to make the GOP "overspend" at the moment. Every dollar their donors spend is replenished with $10 (or $100) from The Heist and their other grift. We're in a vicious circle, as with voting, where the Republicans cheat which gives them power which lets them cheat more which gives them more power...
The only good thing about that is when it unwinds it ought to unwind fast. For example, we only need to win a state leg once to scour a decade or more's worth of their voter suppression from state law. And without cheating they are obviously far less likely to regain power and start the process over again.
This works as long as elections are free and fair. The traditional model for overturning a democracy is if the world-be dictator ever gains control of the military it's over. So liberals can't cut military spending back to a reasonable level even if/when we regain control of the government. At least not at first. There's much more damage to repair first and we can't chance an actual rightwing military coup d'etat.
It's horrific that it's come to this, but it has been the inevitable end game of the 1% since 1980.
I'm not sure it's possible to make the GOP "overspend" at the moment. Every dollar their donors spend is replenished with $10 (or $100) from The Heist and their other grift. We're in a vicious circle, as with voting, where the Republicans cheat which gives them power which lets them cheat more which gives them more power...
The only good thing about that is when it unwinds it ought to unwind fast. For example, we only need to win a state leg once to scour a decade or more's worth of their voter suppression from state law. And without cheating they are obviously far less likely to regain power and start the process over again.
This works as long as elections are free and fair. The traditional model for overturning a democracy is if the world-be dictator ever gains control of the military it's over. So liberals can't cut military spending back to a reasonable level even if/when we regain control of the government. At least not at first. There's much more damage to repair first and we can't chance an actual rightwing military coup d'etat.
It's horrific that it's come to this, but it has been the inevitable end game of the 1% since 1980.
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mookie1995
there's a good buck in that racket.
Um, they won, and they will get the money back.
Re: The States: Doing Their Own Thing...
They committed far less money to the candidate than say the PA or GA specials. Also not sure if they brought in the Biden's of the world to help the campaign.
As far as whey they didn't, without passing judgement one way or another I'd speculate that it was an unwinnable race given the demographics, and spending several million only to narrow the gap by a couple of % points wasn't worth giving the GOP a talking point. Instead the story is now unfunded Dem in dark red district improved on both Clinton and Obama #'s by double digits.
They committed far less money to the candidate than say the PA or GA specials. Also not sure if they brought in the Biden's of the world to help the campaign.
As far as whey they didn't, without passing judgement one way or another I'd speculate that it was an unwinnable race given the demographics, and spending several million only to narrow the gap by a couple of % points wasn't worth giving the GOP a talking point. Instead the story is now unfunded Dem in dark red district improved on both Clinton and Obama #'s by double digits.
mookie1995
there's a good buck in that racket.
Re: The States: Doing Their Own Thing...
Nah, I went to BU which has already bagged a few titles. I suppose the AL Senate win would be like a national title, while the PA house race equates to a HE title..
you gonna hang a banner like the uhn'ers?
Nah, I went to BU which has already bagged a few titles. I suppose the AL Senate win would be like a national title, while the PA house race equates to a HE title..
trixR4kids
Well-known member
Re: The States: Doing Their Own Thing...
They barely won a +25 district while spending far more. It's not like dems had any real shot at winning it and they need to pick their battles in terms of how/where they spend. The bigger issue is the trend in these elections.
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Completely agree. About the best they were going to do here was a single digit loss. Pump 10M dollars into the race and lose and the optics are terrible and lamestream media would be all over it with those "Republicans on the Upswing" stories that they're dying to run in the name of balance.
Completely agree. About the best they were going to do here was a single digit loss. Pump 10M dollars into the race and lose and the optics are terrible and lamestream media would be all over it with those "Republicans on the Upswing" stories that they're dying to run in the name of balance.
Re: The States: Doing Their Own Thing...
We're all for diversity-except when it affects us...
https://www.theroot.com/watch-room-filled-with-rich-white-nyc-parents-gets-bi-1825600194/amp
We're all for diversity-except when it affects us...
https://www.theroot.com/watch-room-filled-with-rich-white-nyc-parents-gets-bi-1825600194/amp
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
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That's not diversity, it's the Poors.
Nobody wants to be with the Poors. Have you met them?
It would be exactly the same reaction if they were going to teleport in West Virginia whites.
That's not diversity, it's the Poors.
Nobody wants to be with the Poors. Have you met them?
It would be exactly the same reaction if they were going to teleport in West Virginia whites.
trixR4kids
Well-known member
Re: The States: Doing Their Own Thing...
Pretty tough to be a “progressive bastion” when Como is your governor.
Pretty tough to be a “progressive bastion” when Como is your governor.
Re: The States: Doing Their Own Thing...
First it was schools. Now it is a dog park.
https://nypost.com/2018/04/28/snooty-dog-owners-hijacked-nyc-park-for-private-kennel-club/amp/
First it was schools. Now it is a dog park.
https://nypost.com/2018/04/28/snooty-dog-owners-hijacked-nyc-park-for-private-kennel-club/amp/
Spartanforlife4
Generic Catchy Message
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Marijuana legalization now on the ballot for November in Michigan. Eagerly awaiting to see how we drop the ball on this one.
Marijuana legalization now on the ballot for November in Michigan. Eagerly awaiting to see how we drop the ball on this one.
FadeToBlack&Gold
Microlot Marxist
Re: The States: Doing Their Own Thing...
Well, if the Republican state leg were to take it up, they would be required to pass it. There was talk that the Pubbies were worried this will increase Dem turnout in November, so they wanted to pass it and get it off the ballot. It sounds like while the Pubbie pols aren't enthusiastic about leaving it on the ballot, a majority of them are loathe to support it themselves.
So, the voters will more than likely decide, and the polls claim legalization is currently favored somewhere in the mid-to-high 50% of likely voters. The bad news for the pro-pot folks is that it sounds like the main PAC supporting it blew the vast majority of their war chest collecting the signatures, while the anti-pot PAC still has money to burn on ads.
Well, if the Republican state leg were to take it up, they would be required to pass it. There was talk that the Pubbies were worried this will increase Dem turnout in November, so they wanted to pass it and get it off the ballot. It sounds like while the Pubbie pols aren't enthusiastic about leaving it on the ballot, a majority of them are loathe to support it themselves.
So, the voters will more than likely decide, and the polls claim legalization is currently favored somewhere in the mid-to-high 50% of likely voters. The bad news for the pro-pot folks is that it sounds like the main PAC supporting it blew the vast majority of their war chest collecting the signatures, while the anti-pot PAC still has money to burn on ads.
mookie1995
there's a good buck in that racket.
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