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The States: Doing Their Own Thing...

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I never had any major issues with Pawlenty. I didn’t always agree with him, but I never found him to be a knuckle dragger.
 
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It didn’t help that he was governor during the Great Recession.

I’m not saying he was good. He was just a garden variety blue state Republican governor. Nothing like Walker.

Walker is dangerous.
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
It didn’t help that he was governor during the Great Recession.

I’m not saying he was good. He was just a garden variety blue state Republican governor. Nothing like Walker.

Walker is dangerous.
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Our deficit wasnt because of the Recession, it was because he cut taxes for no reason and had no way to offset the loss in revenue. He was also a Dubya lapdog so please dont tell me he wasnt dangerous.

Dont get me wrong, I think overall he was a nice guy but as a politician his actions bankrupted a state that had no business being in trouble by doing the exact same thing is neo-conartist masters did on the Federal Level.
 
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The economic upshot of the Pawlenty administration:

Pawlenty has been criticized by some for providing a short-term budget solution but coming up short in his long-term strategy as governor. Former Minnesota Governor Arne Carlson, a Republican, criticized Pawlenty's budget strategy: he borrowed more than $1 billion from the tobacco settlement (money set aside for health care), borrowed more than $1.4 billion from K-12 education funding, borrowed more than $400 [million] from the Health Care Access Fund for low-income families, among other short-term shifts in accounting. The result was a $5-billion deficit, the seventh largest in the United States. While Pawlenty said he was "confident" in his right to use unallotment, the Minnesota Supreme Court ultimately decided against him. Minnesota property taxes rose $2.5 billion, more than the previous 16 years combined, and Moody's lowered the state's bond rating. Carlson told Time, "I don't think any governor has left behind a worse financial mess than he [Pawlenty] has."

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Dayton turned what turned out to be a $6B deficit into a $1.65B surplus and put $2B in reserve in case of a serious downturn. Between 2015 and 2017, MN was called the best state in the country for business, the second best run state, and the best state for job creation.

And now...http://www.timpawlenty.com/
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
It didn’t help that he was governor during the Great Recession.

I’m not saying he was good. He was just a garden variety blue state Republican governor. Nothing like Walker.

Walker is dangerous.
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They're the same thing. They follow the same thinking. Their goals are exactly the same. The Republican playbook is pretty simple to follow and pretty easy to figure out. Pawlenty was extremely dangerous.
 
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Slap Shot said:
Who is/was slimier: Scott Walker or Tim Pawlenty?
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I've never been harmed by Pawlenty, but I have by Walker. Whatever Pawlenty did, he would have to be nasty bad to win that draw.

But hey, we've been making a little progress lately. Little steps count if they are in the right direction.
 
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Handyman said:
I dont see that working out well for him in any way. Minneapolis and St. Paul (not to mention Rochester and Duluth) like money too much.
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How do the state houses look right now in terms of party holding the majority? It could happen.

Then again, how did they look when he was leaving office? It probably won't work.
 
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St. Clown said:
How do the state houses look right now in terms of party holding the majority? It could happen.

Then again, how did they look when he was leaving office? It probably won't work.
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Problem was he turned off even some GOPers by raising "fees" to try and get money back for his stupid tax cut. He needs every voter right of center on his side or he goes down easy.
 
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Handyman said:
Problem was he turned off even some GOPers by raising "fees" to try and get money back for his stupid tax cut. He needs every voter right of center on his side or he goes down easy.
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How'd he win in the first place?
 
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Kepler said:
How'd he win in the first place?
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We're closer to purple then many people admit.

Also we had a good run of really good Republican Governors that were not part of the pyscho Reagan revolution. People got sucked in Pawlenty's nice guy image and thought he was one of those (like Arne Carlson). Whooops.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
We're closer to purple then many people admit.

Also we had a good run of really good Republican Governors that were not part of the pyscho Reagan revolution. People got sucked in Pawlenty's nice guy image and thought he was one of those (like Arne Carlson). Whooops.
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Yeah and the DFL had almost no one of value to run against him at the time. He isnt a bad guy he is pretty likeable actually (and people who spend time with him agree) but his policies are the worst of the worst.

The DFL now is different than the DFL then and we arent as close to purple (in the population areas) as Scooby pretends we are. If this election was two years ago with Clinton on the ticket I would worry but in a possible wave Midterm on the backs of a GOP Leg that ruined what was a booming Minnesota economy against a candidate in Walz people outstate and in the Cities seem to like? I doubt anyone has much chance let lone the poster child for everything that is killing the state right now.
 
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Handyman said:
Yeah and the DFL had almost no one of value to run against him at the time. He isnt a bad guy he is pretty likeable actually (and people who spend time with him agree) but his policies are the worst of the worst.

The DFL now is different than the DFL then and we arent as close to purple (in the population areas) as Scooby pretends we are. If this election was two years ago with Clinton on the ticket I would worry but in a possible wave Midterm on the backs of a GOP Leg that ruined what was a booming Minnesota economy against a candidate in Walz people outstate and in the Cities seem to like? I doubt anyone has much chance let lone the poster child for everything that is killing the state right now.
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I hope if Pawlenty is the guy that Walz runs against that Walz runs him into the ground with everything that he did and tried to do to destroy the State.
 
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Handyman said:
Problem was he turned off even some GOPers by raising "fees" to try and get money back for his stupid tax cut. He needs every voter right of center on his side or he goes down easy.
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Yeah. As I remember, he took office and the GOP had one or both chambers, and the governor. When he left office, both of the houses were blue.
 
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