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The States: Doing Their Own Thing...

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joecct said:
Roosevelt at least tried packing the court.

You lost. Grow a set and do better next time.
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Winning and losing is not the point here. I know based on past posts that you'd agree that district lines should not be a partisan issue.
 
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Heard the idiots in Minnesota are considering toll roads. Hey, idiots. It's called the gas tax. You haven't raised it in probably 30 years plus. DUH. Raise it and be done with it. Dip****s.
 
ScoobyDoo said:
Heard the idiots in Minnesota are considering toll roads. Hey, idiots. It's called the gas tax. You haven't raised it in probably 30 years plus. DUH. Raise it and be done with it. Dip****s.
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NJ did that under Christie. Very unpopular move. It used to be NJ gas was the cheap place to fill up on the way up to New England. No longer. Now Delaware is cheapest.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
Heard the idiots in Minnesota are considering toll roads. Hey, idiots. It's called the gas tax. You haven't raised it in probably 30 years plus. DUH. Raise it and be done with it. Dip****s.
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ScoobyDoo said:
No, no road tax. Gas tax. Done.
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Road taxes are stupid. Illinois floated the idea but didn't have any substance behind it. They wanted to charge you $450/year unless you could prove that you didn't drive that many miles (1.5 cents per mile / 30k miles estimated). The proposal would allow drivers to opt into having a tattle-tale device log their cars use within the State of Illinois. That idea got shot down pretty da** fast.


At the heart of this issue is this: Toll Highways do not receive a dime from State or Federal taxes, relying solely on their users to fund their maintenance and construction. For the State of Illinois, the Illinois State Toll Highway Authority receives ZERO funding from the State or Federal Government, and in fact a good portion of the ISTHA tollway system loses revenue, being supported by the highly traveled Tri-State Tollway corridor.


The State of Michigan and State of Wisconsin have floated ideas out there as to if they should convert portions of their highways into toll roads, and the results are generally that the charge per mile needed with the low traffic volumes on the highways don't out weigh the State and Federal funding for those highways. ISTHA, thanks to being a public entity, has freely available information regarding the traffic counts and revenues generated by their system on their website: https://www.illinoistollway.com/about/finance#Financial%20and%20Consultant%20Reports.

I'm going to take a shot in the dark, and say that even though traffic in Minneapolis can be awful, the traffic counts don't reach the sustained volume that would offset the federal/state funding needed for the maintenance or the pipe dream of new construction/reconstruction. And if they're thinking of tolling I-90 through the southern portion of the state, I doubt that highway sees half the volume of traffic that I-80 sees through Indiana and Ohio (also toll roads).
 
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joecct said:
NJ did that under Christie. Very unpopular move. It used to be NJ gas was the cheap place to fill up on the way up to New England. No longer. Now Delaware is cheapest.
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Unpopular to whom? Gas Tax makes 100% the most sense for building roads and bridges. Something we are way behind on. And now the idiots in Washington (Republicans) want to do 75-25 private to public financing of our infrastructure. So, ****ing stupid.
 
ScoobyDoo said:
Unpopular to whom? Gas Tax makes 100% the most sense for building roads and bridges. Something we are way behind on. And now the idiots in Washington (Republicans) want to do 75-25 private to public financing of our infrastructure. So, ****ing stupid.
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The NJ voters.
 
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Gas taxes and property taxes are classic examples of long-term social positives that are short-term personal negatives. The whole point of having a social consensus is people are willing to pay the price for collective goods that improve all lives, including their own, in the aggregate.

Unfortunately, one party has been demonizing that whole project for fifty years with the result that everybody is now selfish and short-sighted. Congratulations to the right: they have achieved their Utopian State. And it was so very easy. All they had to do was appeal to people's childish desire for free stuff.

Hope you're proud of yourselves.
 
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Kepler said:
Gas taxes and property taxes are classic examples of long-term social positives that are short-term personal negatives. The whole point of having a social consensus is people are willing to pay the price for collective goods that improve their lives in the aggregate.

Unfortunately, one party has been demonizing that whole project for fifty years wit the result that everybody is now selfish and short-sighted. Congratulations to the right: they have achieved their Utopian State.
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Correct. And it is ****ing ****ing me off more every day.
 
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Too bad appropriation isn't actually enforced, and all transactions involve a "general fund". You want money for something? Don't spend it on something else and then demand more because you have to keep both the roads and the pork. Unlimited wants, limited resources. And printing your way out doesn't work either, otherwise you end up devaluing the currency.
 
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Flag has a bit of truth. How many states have raided the transportation fund to cover shortfalls in the general fund?

Instead of fixing the problem in the GF, they say the TF is bankrupt and goose a tax to replenish the TF.

In my former state, NJ, they goosed the tolls on the Turnpike and Garden State Parkway to fund improvements. It worked. I hope the gas tax will fix the rest of the roads. But I fear Murphy is Corzine redux and no wallet or pocketbook will be safe.
 
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FadeToBlack&Gold said:
...but, of course.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">A remarkable subversion of our democracy continues in Pennsylvania. After losing their fight at the Supreme Court, Republicans are now threatening to impeach members of the state Supreme Court who found the congressional map to be an unconstitutional gerrymander. <a href="https://t.co/SbrnCwU43Q">pic.twitter.com/SbrnCwU43Q</a></p>— Matt McDermott (@mattmfm) <a href="https://twitter.com/mattmfm/status/960667621598416896?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 6, 2018</a></blockquote>
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Zero upside, tremendous downside. Not only would they have to have a reason beyond "we don't like a ruling" by the time all of this got started the ruling on redistricting would already be implemented. Furthermore as the VA state house elections proved, a lot of Goopers who thought they were sitting in safe seats after they redrew the lines found out the hard way that they weren't. PA isn't Texas. Try a ploy like this and they might be the ones out of a job next year.
 
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Rover said:
Zero upside, tremendous downside. Not only would they have to have a reason beyond "we don't like a ruling" by the time all of this got started the ruling on redistricting would already be implemented. Furthermore as the VA state house elections proved, a lot of Goopers who thought they were sitting in safe seats after they redrew the lines found out the hard way that they weren't. PA isn't Texas. Try a ploy like this and they might be the ones out of a job next year.
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More good news. The fake majority is cracking.
 
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Right now the Pennsylvania GOP is threatening to impeach the state supreme court for ordering them to redraw their wildly partisan gerrymandered districts, while Scott Walker in WI refuses to call specials election for open state senate seats because he doesn't want R's to lose.</p>— Chris Hayes (@chrislhayes) <a href="https://twitter.com/chrislhayes/status/960891786909667328?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 6, 2018</a></blockquote>
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Handyman said:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Right now the Pennsylvania GOP is threatening to impeach the state supreme court for ordering them to redraw their wildly partisan gerrymandered districts, while Scott Walker in WI refuses to call specials election for open state senate seats because he doesn't want R's to lose.</p>— Chris Hayes (@chrislhayes) <a href="https://twitter.com/chrislhayes/status/960891786909667328?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 6, 2018</a></blockquote>
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The fake majority is cracking.
 
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joecct said:
The Youth are engaged. I'm impressed.
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I'm curious what makes you think this is anything more than a hundred Trick Flick dipsh-ts vs a hundred Ted Cruz dipsh-ts padding their Georgetown applications and preparing for a life solemnly declaring what the rest of us ought to believe from their $3M Alexandria homes?

Because, I mean, as a first guess...
 
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