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The States: Doing Their Own Thing...

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joecct said:
Folks in cake eater country - true??

http://www.weeklystandard.com/inside-a-public-school-social-justice-factory/article/2011402#
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I don't live in Edina but I've heard rumblings about it. The problem is society can't seem to get rid of racism without also getting rid of everyone being different. This obsession with test scores is going to destroy education in this country. Both my daughters grew up in it and while the eldest found her way the youngest had a lot of school issues because of it. If blacks have bad test score in Edina schools it is likely just because they have bad test scores. It has nothing to do with the teachers or the teaching. But, that's what the insidious NCLB did to the country. We started grading the teachers performance entirely on students that they don't get to select. That's wrong. It has to be a 50/50 street and the kid has to want to learn but also has to be good at test taking. Some kids are just bad at tests. I know, one of mine was like that.
 
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Funny thing about that Hawaii article is that all the incompetence being rewarded there happens just as much in the private industry, I can tell you that first hand.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
I don't live in Edina but I've heard rumblings about it. The problem is society can't seem to get rid of racism without also getting rid of everyone being different. This obsession with test scores is going to destroy education in this country. Both my daughters grew up in it and while the eldest found her way the youngest had a lot of school issues because of it. If blacks have bad test score in Edina schools it is likely just because they have bad test scores. It has nothing to do with the teachers or the teaching. But, that's what the insidious NCLB did to the country. We started grading the teachers performance entirely on students that they don't get to select. That's wrong. It has to be a 50/50 street and the kid has to want to learn but also has to be good at test taking. Some kids are just bad at tests. I know, one of mine was like that.
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Let me ask this: How else would you measure the quality of the educational process? Would you base it on the specific content committed to memory? Would you measure it on how to apply the concepts you have learned in the real world? Also, where is the "cliff" between "good" educator and "bad" educator? If there's a concept in mind, it has to be executed in order to realize the concept. High educational standards have been a concept for a long time, touted by both Democrats and Republicans. The Bush administration chose to quantify this standard (NCLB), and the Obama administration chose to enact a one-size-fits-all execution plan (Common Core). We could argue about their merits and issues until the cows come home, but the fact of the matter is that a concept was asked to be executed, and it was.

With a public school system with compulsory education, everyone must be educated. And there are some that just won't "get it" using the presently taught means. How do we set them up for success in their community?
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
Let me ask this: How else would you measure the quality of the educational process? Would you base it on the specific content committed to memory? Would you measure it on how to apply the concepts you have learned in the real world? Also, where is the "cliff" between "good" educator and "bad" educator? If there's a concept in mind, it has to be executed in order to realize the concept. High educational standards have been a concept for a long time, touted by both Democrats and Republicans. The Bush administration chose to quantify this standard (NCLB), and the Obama administration chose to enact a one-size-fits-all execution plan (Common Core). We could argue about their merits and issues until the cows come home, but the fact of the matter is that a concept was asked to be executed, and it was.

With a public school system with compulsory education, everyone must be educated. And there are some that just won't "get it" using the presently taught means. How do we set them up for success in their community?
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It's not our responsibility to set them up for success. They are given a free education. Take advantage of it or don't. Instead we've decided to punish those involved in educating our kids. That's wrong.
 
ScoobyDoo said:
It's not our responsibility to set them up for success. They are given a free education. Take advantage of it or don't. Instead we've decided to punish those involved in educating our kids. That's wrong.
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They were good theories and the authors meant well. But they never should have seen the light of day.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
It's not our responsibility to set them up for success. They are given a free education. Take advantage of it or don't. Instead we've decided to punish those involved in educating our kids. That's wrong.
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Then what the heck is the point of education, if it isn't to set up those being educated for success in the community?
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
Then what the heck is the point of education, if it isn't to set up those being educated for success in the community?
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Education is just like everything else. Some are going to thrive, some are not. Some are going to take advantage some are not. The fact that you want to put all of humanity in one bucket and base another human's career on how they navigate that one bucket is extremely telling. It also explains why we have the societal problems that we have. The United States is a failed experiment. We are split 50/50. One 50 percent wants freedom in these areas. The other 50% wants freedom in the complete opposite areas. Never shall the two cross. We had 8 years of Obama and his freedoms. Now we have 8 years of Trump and his freedoms. It's not workable.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
Education is just like everything else. Some are going to thrive, some are not. Some are going to take advantage some are not. The fact that you want to put all of humanity in one bucket and base another human's career on how they navigate that one bucket is extremely telling. It also explains why we have the societal problems that we have. The United States is a failed experiment. We are split 50/50. One 50 percent wants freedom in these areas. The other 50% wants freedom in the complete opposite areas. Never shall the two cross. We had 8 years of Obama and his freedoms. Now we have 8 years of Trump and his freedoms. It's not workable.
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You didn't answer the question. All you mentioned was its existence and some may see benefit from the same. What is its purpose?
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
Then what the heck is the point of education, if it isn't to set up those being educated for success in the community?
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That isn't education, it's training.

The point of vocational training is developing marketable skills. That's what plumbing school and clown college and law school are for. All important and honorable.

All those things are the courses that a ship can take. Education is building the ship.
 
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joecct said:
For college or trades? We've overemphasized the former to the detriment of the latter.
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With trades, it's fairly obvious that the purpose of education is, for a certain craft, the concepts that are available and how to apply them in a real scenario to create a beneficial service or product. Is that what education should be across the board? What specific skills should be taught for different things? Which ones are compulsory? How do you quantify that the person knows the skills and will be able to apply them appropriately?
 
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joecct said:
For college or trades? We've overemphasized the former to the detriment of the latter.
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Yes. This happened because it became conflated with American attitudes towards class.
 
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Suburban Holocaust denier all but certain to win GOP nomination for House seat
Arthur Jones -- an outspoken Holocaust denier, activist anti-Semite and white supremacist -- is poised to become the Republican nominee for an Illinois congressional seat representing parts of Chicago and nearby suburbs.

"Well first of all, I'm running for Congress not the chancellor of Germany. All right. To me the Holocaust is what I said it is: It's an international extortion racket," Jones told the Chicago Sun-Times.
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Ugh. If I lived in that district and had some time I'd register as a Republican just to get on the primary to make sure he loses. I wouldn't even give a sh** about running a campaign. Just enough to make sure people like this keep losing.
 
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...but, of course.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">A remarkable subversion of our democracy continues in Pennsylvania. After losing their fight at the Supreme Court, Republicans are now threatening to impeach members of the state Supreme Court who found the congressional map to be an unconstitutional gerrymander. <a href="https://t.co/SbrnCwU43Q">pic.twitter.com/SbrnCwU43Q</a></p>— Matt McDermott (@mattmfm) <a href="https://twitter.com/mattmfm/status/960667621598416896?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 6, 2018</a></blockquote>
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FadeToBlack&Gold said:
...but, of course.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">A remarkable subversion of our democracy continues in Pennsylvania. After losing their fight at the Supreme Court, Republicans are now threatening to impeach members of the state Supreme Court who found the congressional map to be an unconstitutional gerrymander. <a href="https://t.co/SbrnCwU43Q">pic.twitter.com/SbrnCwU43Q</a></p>— Matt McDermott (@mattmfm) <a href="https://twitter.com/mattmfm/status/960667621598416896?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 6, 2018</a></blockquote>
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Roosevelt at least tried packing the court.

You lost. Grow a set and do better next time.
 
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