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The PPACA Thread Part V: Doctor! Doctor! Give me the news!

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Jimjamesak said:
Haha no, the Alaska GOP is just like every other GOP. Our other Senator from Ohio falls straight in line and Don Young usually does too. At the state level it's standard bread and butter GOP tactics: huge breaks for the rich (i.e. the oil companies), **** the poors, **** women, and lock up the browns (which is Alaska Natives here). Our state is completely ****ed financially because of the GOP.

PS, AK = Alaska, AS = Alaska Airlines, AA = American Airlines or Alcoholics Anonymous depending on your alcohol intake.
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Huh. Disappointing. I think of Alaska as an Andre Marrou Theme Park.
 
Kepler said:
Huh. Disappointing. I think of Alaska as an Andre Marrou Theme Park.
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Lol no, Alaska relies waaaay too much on federal funding for Libertarian ideals to really get going. Sure there's more than a few nutters per capita but it's not Libertarian wonderland.
 
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So, some GOP Senators are saying they'll vote for the skinny repeal as long as it doesn't become law and goes to a House-Senate conference. The House might be sticking around over the weekend to quickly vote on it anyway, however.

Oops.
 
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bronconick said:
So, some GOP Senators are saying they'll vote for the skinny repeal as long as it doesn't become law and goes to a House-Senate conference.
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Do they need to watch Schoolhouse Rock again to get a better ****ing idea of how their job works?
 
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bronconick said:
So, some GOP Senators are saying they'll vote for the skinny repeal as long as it doesn't become law and goes to a House-Senate conference. The House might be sticking around over the weekend to quickly vote on it anyway, however.

Oops.
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Jeebus... It really is the Keystone Cops on Capitol Hill.
 
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Murkowski responds.

The big key in Trumps response, Murkowski is the head of the two committees controlling the Interior Department's funding. Whoops.
 
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Kepler said:
Must I paint you a picture?
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They don't care if you get Health Care or you have insurance. They only care about you reelecting them and their 800 Billion dollars of Medicaid Cuts if they can get them. That's why I hate them. No problem solving whatsoever.

They also seem to be concerned about you being able to "choose" whether or not you buy insurance (They want to repeal the mandates). Like it's a choice? You need Medical Care. It's like Food and Water. I could choose not to buy Food and Water but it wouldn't do me much good, now would it? And, what is Medicare and Social Security after all but insurance? So, what's the big ****ing deal with the mandates? Cause that's what's paying for this crap and if you take them out we're going to just add medical bankruptcies to US Citizen's, which was #1 on the list of things Obamacae was passed to help solve.
 
Re: The PPACA Thread Part V: Doctor! Doctor! Give me the news!

The former (Eric Cantor) GOP leader in the House talked to the Washingtonian’s Elaina Plott and conceded that his Republican Party is in a tough spot – parts of the conservative base expect the party to repeal the ACA, because that’s what they were promised – in part because of promises he and his colleagues made that they never intended to keep.

Asked if he feels partly responsible for their current predicament, Cantor is unequivocal. “Oh,” he says, “100 percent.”

He goes further: “To give the impression that if Republicans were in control of the House and Senate, that we could do that when Obama was still in office….” His voice trails off and he shakes his head. “I never believed it.”

He says he wasn’t the only one aware of the charade: “We sort of all got what was going on, that there was this disconnect in terms of communication, because no one wanted to take the time out in the general public to even think about ‘Wait a minute – that can’t happen.’ ” But, he adds, “if you’ve got that anger working for you, you’re gonna let it be.”
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http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-...believe-his-own-aca-rhetoric?cid=sm_fb_maddow
 
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bronconick said:
So, some GOP Senators are saying they'll vote for the skinny repeal as long as it doesn't become law and goes to a House-Senate conference. The House might be sticking around over the weekend to quickly vote on it anyway, however.

Oops.
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When I heard that on All Things Considered on my way home, I got a chuckle out of it. Pass something that most all of them certainly don't want would be pretty moronic. And some admit that they would have to accept the collapse of the health care system would be their fault.

So if this gets through....
 
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We have a “skinny repeal” bill.

It’s just eight pages. It includes a provision that would prevent Medicaid funding from going to Planned Parenthood for a year, a provision the Senate parliamentarian has advised is outside the bounds of Senate rules. It would effectively end the individual mandate, as well as the employer mandate. It would extend the delay on the medical device tax to 2020 and increase limits on health savings accounts. It also would expand waivers that states could use to get around the regulations on insurance markets imposed by the ACA.

Voting around midnight

“Murray motion to commit” is a motion to send the bill to committee rather than having the Senate vote on it tonight, and “McConnell amendment #667” is “skinny repeal”:
 
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bronconick said:
We have a “skinny repeal” bill.

It’s just eight pages. It includes a provision that would prevent Medicaid funding from going to Planned Parenthood for a year, a provision the Senate parliamentarian has advised is outside the bounds of Senate rules. It would effectively end the individual mandate, as well as the employer mandate. It would extend the delay on the medical device tax to 2020 and increase limits on health savings accounts. It also would expand waivers that states could use to get around the regulations on insurance markets imposed by the ACA.

Voting around midnight

“Murray motion to commit” is a motion to send the bill to committee rather than having the Senate vote on it tonight, and “McConnell amendment #667” is “skinny repeal”:
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Interesting. Collins is a no, Capito is a question mark, McCain who the f-ck knows -- they could block it. That;s not even including Murkowski.

Ryan really threw a wrench in by not guaranteeing the House won't just pass it into law. Nobody in the Senate wants it to become law -- it's complete garbage.
 
ScoobyDoo said:
Cause that's what's paying for this crap and if you take them out we're going to just add medical bankruptcies to US Citizen's, which was #1 on the list of things Obamacae was passed to help solve.
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You mean a lot of people not having money to spend in a consumer based economy is a bad thing? Who would've known!?

In all seriousness you raise a lot of good points and it's amazing that the rest of the world can figure out a reasonable solution to healthcare and the US is in its current situation.
 
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Kepler said:
Interesting. Collins is a no, Capito is a question mark, McCain who the f-ck knows -- they could block it. That;s not even including Murkowski.

Ryan really threw a wrench in by not guaranteeing the House won't just pass it into law. Nobody in the Senate wants it to become law -- it's complete garbage.
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Ryan said he'll let it go to conference. The trick is when the conference fails after so long, he'll just pass it.
 
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bronconick said:
Ryan said he'll let it go to conference. The trick is when the conference fails after so long, he'll just pass it.
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Exactly. Conference will never produce a compromise between the moderates and radicals, and McCain, Johnson, and Graham know this, so they are being incredibly cynical and mendacious in voting for this.

The Republicans hypocrisy train left the station a long time ago, but this is impressive even for them. The CBO says 16M will lose coverage and premiums will go up 20%, yet they are going to vote for it.

Brian Williams just said Americans aren't stupid and there will be consequences for this. If only I could believe him.

Assuming Collins and Murkowski stick, it looks like it all comes down to Capito.

Franken is speaking to protesters live at the Capitol. I wish CNN would just show that and not the eejit pundits.
 
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It's passing. She's not going to be the 1 Republican Senator to "save" Obamacare. Anyone else would have spoken up before now.
 
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bronconick said:
It's passing. She's not going to be the 1 Republican Senator to "save" Obamacare. Anyone else would have spoken up before now.
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Tammy thinks so, too.

A dark day, but hopefully one that will show a few of the less dense Republican voters what's what.
 
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