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The PPACA Thread Part V: Doctor! Doctor! Give me the news!

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Kepler said:
For the record, I agree with this completely. Fox is only worse than MSNBC because they've been at it longer so their head has lodged even deeper in their own as-s. But given the same amount of reward and longevity there is nothing to prevent MSNBC from becoming just as nakedly mendacious.

Those are entertainment networks. Their product is fan service: they stroke the prejudices of their viewers and never, ever give them anything dissonant to chew on. They are pablum for authoritarians, which is why the righty versions are so much more lucrative than the lefty versions. The dolts on the right fall into authoritarianism the way the dolts on the left fall into nihilism. Nobody has figured out how to make the latter pay, unless it's the pushers.
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If they do, then it's possible that CNN will be brought back into the middle, as they should be. Fuax has done a number on CNN and the other main stream news labeling them all as "liberal"- to the point that they can now accuse the entire Justice department of being heavily liberal. When the reality is that they just don't want to hear that version of truth, even at the same time, they can not back up their statements with actual facts.

It's gotten very tiresome that Faux presents themselves as a balanced, main stream media- and the only way they can actually do that is there hasn't really been an actual counter balance to them. MSNBC can be that. Somewhat.

(and the problem with MSNBC is that they drag the entire NBC networks into the liberal blaming game, even if they very much are not- again the danger of "Fox" letting them go that long and that far)
 
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SJHovey said:
The point of my post was that had HRC won the election, MSNBC and Maddow would be scuffling along at the bottom of the ratings, wondering if they should bring Keith Olbermann or Ed Schultz back.

Fox News was built on a viewership that hated the Clintons and wanted to watch someone attack them at every turn. The network had a good run, even sustaining it through Bush II when the R's held the White House.

The hatred for all things Trump has now done the same for MSNBC. MSNBC tilts hard left. I'm not sure even they deny that. There is a huge tv viewing market out there right now for that kind of programming.

It's just that when people or organizations see good fortune come their way through circumstances that were beyond their control, it's funny how often those people or organizations conclude their success is due entirely to their own talents.
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That's fair enough.

I never liked Ed Schultz. I thought he was no better than O'Reilly or Hannity. Olbermann is a mixed bag for me. He was a bombast and an unabashed lefty. Sometimes he got things right, sometimes he didn't. He was never above the same kind of lowbrow tactics the FNC primetime players enthusiastically embraced.
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
That's fair enough.

Olbermann is a mixed bag for me. He was a bombast and an unabashed lefty. Sometimes he got things right, sometimes he didn't. He was never above the same kind of lowbrow tactics the FNC primetime players enthusiastically embraced.
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Keith should stick to sports, where he's excellent. On politics whenever he opens his mouth I think "I really wish this ********* was on the other side." He's Smarter Tucker Carlson. I'll pass.
 
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Dick is unimpressed.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">McCain has been a good bait-and-switch artist for years. Look at you rolling over.</p>— Richard M. Nixon (@dick_nixon) <a href="https://twitter.com/dick_nixon/status/889928877929365505">July 25, 2017</a></blockquote>
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and

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Imagine what it must be like to serve 40 years in the United States Senate with the press always prepared to give you a big, fat kiss.</p>— Richard M. Nixon (@dick_nixon) <a href="https://twitter.com/dick_nixon/status/889935711700439040">July 25, 2017</a></blockquote>
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Handyman said:
Yeah and Megyn damaged her career with the Alex Jones stunt...and her ratings are weak if I heard right.
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Well, career-wise she couldn't have damaged herself any worse than those years working for Fox. She's a laughingstock as a journalist, but she could still get a sweet gig like Good Morning White People.

I'm fine with Meg. She's a solid A minus piece of work in a C plus industry, and her look is the Ancient Dare. No come hither BS for that girl, it's perform or GTFO.
 
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joecct said:
Myopic Mitch needs to step aside.
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Did something happen or just a general observation?

Ah, nm.

After a wave of Republican defections Tuesday night tanked the Senate GOP’s main Obamacare replacement plan, the Senate held a vote Wednesday morning on bill to repeal much of the Affordable Care Act but delay its effect until 2020 to allow time to cobble together a replacement.

That vote similarly failed, 45 to 55. Seven Republicans joined with every single Democrat to defeat the bill: Sens. Shelley Moore Capito (R-WV), Susan Collins (R-ME), John McCain (R-AZ), Dean Heller (R-NV), Lisa Murkowski (R-AK), Lamar Alexander (R-TN) and Rob Portman (R-OH) all voted no.
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This was not a surprise, though. The only question is whether "What's Behind Door Number 3?" gets passed and moved to conference committee. If it does, Mitch has actually done something a little clever albeit sleazy -- he wins one news cycle (assuming Trump doesn't blow it) and gives the GOP some elbow room and a nice, opaque chamber to play mad scientists one last time. If the GOP and Trump had self-discipline they could probably ride that to some momentum and then horse trade votes for FreedomCaucusCare (which is where this is headed) for grift tucked into Billionaires' Pay Day (which is all they actually care about).
 
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joecct said:
Senate voted down straight repeal 55-45
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Yup, I got it, see below.

You can't be surprised, though.

The so-called “clean repeal” bill championed by Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY) would have cut more than $800 billion from Medicaid, ended the Medicaid expansion in one fell swoop, scrapped the subsidies that help low-income people buy insurance, and eliminated the individual mandate, sending the market into a death spiral. To the consternation of some hardline conservatives, it would have left many of Obamacare’s regulations in place.

The non-partisan Congressional Budget Office found that the bill would have resulted in 32 million more uninsured people over the course of 10 years, with 17 million losing coverage in the first year of its implementation.
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Here's some salt in the wound.

Democrats could have raised a point of order about language in the bill that defunds Planned Parenthood, a provision the Senate parliamentarian previously said violates the rules of reconciliation—forcing the bill to clear a 60-vote threshold for passage. Instead, they allowed the vote to go forward, perhaps knowing Republicans could not even muster the 50 votes needed to advance the bill.
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joecct said:
Kep

You're talking Myopic Mitch here. He'd run a whorehouse located outside a Marine base into bankruptcy.
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I don't know what he's supposed to do. He's got a party that 60 times made a promise they knew they couldn't keep, just because it played well on the idiot shows, and then the worst possible thing on earth happened: they swept the entire government.

The only way this is doable is if either (1) the moderates shut up and allow 30 million people -- mostly their own base -- to lose their health care, or (2) the radicals shut up and stop pretending that all the redmeat bullsh-t the GOP cynically campaigned on for the last decade is actually something real. Good luck on the first: they're careerists. Good luck on the second: they're too stupid to know.

No SML could have pulled this off without splitting the party in two unless he was willing to walk into the WH on January 21 and say, "Sir -- we will never bring repeal to a vote, it's a trap," and then convince the President he can have nearly everything under the sun but he can't repeal ACA.
 
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Uh oh. Now the insurance industry is spilling the beans that the rate hikes and Obamacare's problems are due to the GOP sabotaging it. It's going to melt the GOP voters' little circuit boards if this ever reaches them. After all, don't we know that Obamacare is doomed, doomed I say, and it's because of REASONS and not because the GOP has spent every waking minute trying to bankrupt it since it passed?

It's a bad day when the corporate creeps that the GOP relies on for their bribery turn against them, presumably believing that they won't be able to deliver goodies and worse that their majority won't be around long enough to even bother bribing anymore.

The Republicans better figure out a way to pay off the rest of their billionaire donor class before they make an Agonizing Reappraisal and start writing checks on behalf of Corey Booker.

Remember, kids: spending is protected speech!
 
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Kepler said:
Uh oh. Now the insurance industry is spilling the beans that the rate hikes and Obamacare's problems are due to the GOP sabotaging it. It's going to melt the GOP voters' little circuit boards if this ever reaches them. After all, don't we know that Obamacare is doomed, doomed I say, and it's because of REASONS and not because the GOP has spent every waking minute trying to bankrupt it since it passed?

It's a bad day when the corporate creeps that the GOP relies on for their bribery turn against them, presumably believing that they won't be able to deliver goodies and worse that their majority won't be around long enough to even bother bribing anymore.

The Republicans better figure out a way to pay off the rest of their billionaire donor class before they make an Agonizing Reappraisal and start writing checks on behalf of Corey Booker.

Remember, kids: spending is protected speech!
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That's an old article...?
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
That's an old article...?
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It should be today's Editorial in WaPo concerning health insurance industry concerns that the GOP and Trump tactics are going to drive costs through the roof. I can't verify that though because I've exceeded my monthly free use. If it's the wrong link I apologize.
 
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