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The PPACA Thread Part IV - Repeal & Replace, or Something...

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Rover said:
Especially with Trump willing to sell them down the river at a moment's notice.
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We can only hope. Imagine for a moment though if this isn't true. I know Trump has never once showed even a smidgen of tactical insight, but let's say he realizes that without a compliant Congress he's headed for a failed presidency if not actual prison. Think of how he changed his tune on Russia after a little conversation regarding his Day Off in Saint Pete.

It is possible that as with any animal threats are the one language he understands.
 
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The odd, odd, odd thing about Trump to me is that he's the least likely GOP pol to sell out the very people who voted for him. Not that he won't on occasion, but a lot less than the Ryan-Itch crowd.

The problem Congress is having is that he seems unwilling to play their shell game of repeal now and replace....whenever. Good for him (gack, did I just write that?). I also think he means it about not dicking his voters over with this "access to healthcare" instead of actually having coverage nonsense. A conventional GOP Prez, be it Jebbers!, Kasich, Cruz, etc would have gone along with the plan. Trump's obsession with his own self interest and disinterest in being a hero at swanky Koch brothers retreats might be the thing that helps people keep their insurance.
 
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GOP puts feet in full bathtub, reaches for ungrounded non-GFCI electrical outlet...

House members coming out of a GOP-caucus meeting Thursday on their health care overhaul plans said that capping the tax exclusion for employer plans -- i.e. imposing a monetary limit at which point health benefits are taxed like other forms of income -- was discussed as a potential revenue booster. The proposal is somewhat like the ACA's Cadillac tax, which was hated by Democrats and Republicans alike, and is often included in GOP replacement plans, including the "Better Way" outline offered by Speaker Paul Ryan last summer. Capping the exclusion could solve the problem for Republicans of how to pay for their replacement, as many of them have said that the ACA's current taxes need to be repealed right away. But since it will affect the types of plans used by a vast plurality of Americans, it won't come without a political fight.
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dxmnkd316 said:
Do they want to kill the party?
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Looks that way. On the other hand, lowering a ceiling on health insurance provided through employers will cause employers to start abandoning the benefit altogether, which will lead to more people going to the exchanges, and in turn likely increase the eventual push for universal care via the government... once the Republicans have finally blown their collective wad and are back to holding the minority seats in Congress.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
Good plan.
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The GOP in three words: Reverse Robin Hood.

Somewhere Ayn Rand burns in hell but still finds time to beat off to a rape fantasy involving Alan Greenspan and debtors' prison.
 
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This is gonna be interesting.

With the healthcare of millions of Californians at stake if Congress repeals the Affordable Care Act, a state senator is introducing legislation Friday to establish a single-payer system.

Under single-payer, the state would negotiate prices for services and prescriptions with providers, pharmaceutical companies and others.

Sen. Ricardo Lara, D-Bell Gardens, said he intends to introduce a bare-bones measure and begin a conversation with stakeholders about the best way to move forward.

“This is an issue that we need to lead on now more than ever given the rhetoric we hear in Washington,” Lara said. “Dismantling the Affordable Care Act has been part of Trump’s agenda all along. As California leaders, we will be responsible for the delivery of healthcare for millions of people.”

Lara envisions a system that would “cut out insurance company waste and duplication that currently exists.”

“There’s no more out-of-control co-pays and high deductibles,” he said.

Last month at Lara’s urging, California withdrew a request to the federal government for permission to allow undocumented people to obtain health insurance from Covered California, the state’s healthcare exchange. Lara, linking the decision to concerns about the incoming Trump administration, called it “the first California casualty of the Trump presidency.”

Lara said Thursday that a single-payer health care system would enable the state to extend coverage to undocumented adults. Meanwhile, the current budget included $45 million to provide full Medi-Cal coverage to 185,000 undocumented children.y
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I'm sure there are tons of things a movement conservative White House could do to sabotage this out of their terror that a working single payer system would completely destroy their defense of "devil take the hindmost" health care. But Trump, for all his faults, aint a movement conservative. And Huey Long-style dictators loves a top-down system -- it appeals to their sense of tyrannical aesthetics.

So if the USG stays out of the way of CA and they enact a single payer system and it succeeds, just as the GOP yanks out Obamacare and kicks 20M Americans off the insurance rolls...
 
Kepler said:
This is gonna be interesting.



I'm sure there are tons of things a movement conservative White House could do to sabotage this out of their terror that a working single payer system would completely destroy their defense of "devil take the hindmost" health care. But Trump, for all his faults, aint a movement conservative. And Huey Long-style dictators loves a top-down system -- it appeals to their sense of tyrannical aesthetics.

So if the USG stays out of the way of CA and they enact a single payer system and it succeeds, just as the GOP yanks out Obamacare and kicks 20M Americans off the insurance rolls...
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Step 1 of Calexit and the Pacific Republic...
 
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Jimjamesak said:
Step 1 of Calexit and the Pacific Republic...
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On the contrary, Step 1 of restoring sanity and prosperity to the country as a whole with the first liberal government since LBJ.
 
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On the contrary, Step 1 of restoring sanity and prosperity to the country as a whole with the first liberal government since LBJ.
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Nope, if California can start figuring out things like health care on their own the more likely they're going to realize they're better off on their own and not be wanting their money propping up poor red states.
 
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