The PPACA Thread Part IV - Repeal & Replace, or Something...

[Kepler]

Re: The PPACA Thread Part IV - Repeal & Replace, or Something...

Um, again, the true conservatism you write about has been gone for 40 years. At some point, reached long ago, we need to redefine it by the terms to describe the vast majority of people who consider themselves conservative in the here and now. Arguing that real conservatism means an incremental approach to policy is like arguing that the world is flat. Maybe people believed that a long time ago, but its been long enough now that we should all know better.


Over time a definition can and does change.

There's a big world out there and conservatism in it means incrementalism and reactionariness. The radical right in the US are not in any way "conservative." They hide behind the term like the North Koreans use the term "Democratic" in DPRK. The American radical right is fascist. They captured the GOP. But the vast majority of American conservatives are not fascists. They are at worst lazy and uninformed and willing to follow the GOP.

 

[Handyman]

Re: The PPACA Thread Part IV - Repeal & Replace, or Something...

Um, again, the true conservatism you write about has been gone for 40 years. At some point, reached long ago, we need to redefine it by the terms to describe the vast majority of people who consider themselves conservative in the here and now. Arguing that real conservatism means an incremental approach to policy is like arguing that the world is flat. Maybe people believed that a long time ago, but its been long enough now that we should all know better.


Over time a definition can and does change.

Right but, as per usual, you are arguing two different points to try and show you are right when you arent. Saying Obamacare is conservative is not the same thing as talking about the GOP and whether that is conservative anymore. The plan itself is conservative because it takes small steps. The GOP dont have a political ideology anymore outside of "whatever the Dems say we say the opposite".

I dont know why I even bother...it is obvious you slept your way through Political Philosophy if you ever took it