The PPACA Thread Part IV - Repeal & Replace, or Something...

[jericho]

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Trumpy's done with it. Too lazy to actually buckle down and do the job he was elected to do. Either vote tomorrow, or he's walking away. Can't be hanging around DC when there's golf to be played in Florida.

http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/3/23/1646645/-Trump-sends-message-to-Freedom-Caucus-He-s-done-vote-on-Trumpcare-tomorrow-so-he-can-go-golf

Obama should Tweet: Trump goes to play golf while the American people lose. sad. trumpcare didn't pass so obamacare still here. not sad.

 

[Handyman]

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Obama should Tweet: Trump goes to play golf while the American people lose. sad. trumpcare didn't pass so obamacare still here. not sad.

Oh no he could do better...something like:

TrumpCare goes down in flames and The Donald (wire)tapps out! Sad #whereisthewinning #RKellyaintgotnothingonme

 

[Handyman]

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I wonder if Trump is spending all this time on the golf course cause he is looking for the real killer of Nicole Brown Simpson and Ronald Goldman

 

[dxmnkd316]

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Really handy? You didn't go with Vince Foster instead of those two?

 

[aparch]

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Paul Ryan: [On Trumpcare] "This to us, is something that we're not going to give up on, because we're not going to give up on destroying the health care system for the American people."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LT3Px11xN-0

 

[Handyman]

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Paul Ryan: [On Trumpcare] "This to us, is something that we're not going to give up on, because we're not going to give up on destroying the health care system for the American people."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LT3Px11xN-0

I thought you were editorializing...but you werent! He actually said that...

This clown is amazing...thanks Wisconsin.

 

[Kepler]

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Paul Ryan: [On Trumpcare] "This to us, is something that we're not going to give up on, because we're not going to give up on destroying the health care system for the American people."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LT3Px11xN-0

Frank Luntz begins to leer, looks at the "R" and quickly frowns. (2 beats) Then, slowly, with shifty eyes, he begins to smile again...

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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Paul Ryan: [On Trumpcare] "This to us, is something that we're not going to give up on, because we're not going to give up on destroying the health care system for the American people."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LT3Px11xN-0

So instead, they're going to give the exact same thing and try to pull the wool over our eyes because it doesn't have Obama's name on it.

You were put in power in 2010, 2014, and 2016 for one reason: to REPEAL the PPACA. Nothing more.

 

[walrus]

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So instead, they're going to give the exact same thing and try to pull the wool over our eyes because it doesn't have Obama's name on it.

You were put in power in 2010, 2014, and 2016 for one reason: to REPEAL the PPACA. Nothing more.

They need to be primaried, start running now.

 

[rufus]

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They need to be primaried, start running now.

So, because they won't pass health care legislation that's worse than Obamacare, you want to throw them out of office. You should be applauding them.

Of course, the only reason they won't vote for this bill is because it's not harmful enough to people for them. They want an even worse bill.

 

[Handyman]

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So, because they won't pass health care legislation that's worse than Obamacare, you want to throw them out of office. You should be applauding them.

Of course, the only reason they won't vote for this bill is because it's not harmful enough to people for them. They want an even worse bill.

I think walrus was more going after Frauddy for his whining.

 

[Wisko McBadgerton]

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It's still interesting political theater. How well did the FC'ers sleep last night? Are they worried about getting primaried at all if they vote no?
I'd guess it's not a particularly hard political maneuver to spin that into a vote for Obamacare in their districts which mostly went heavily for Trump. Seems like there's a lot of pressure on those guys either way.

 

[alfablue]

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It's still interesting political theater. How well did the FC'ers sleep last night? Are they worried about getting primaried at all if they vote no?
I'd guess it's not a particularly hard political maneuver to spin that into a vote for Obamacare in their districts which mostly went heavily for Trump. Seems like there's a lot of pressure on those guys either way.

Just as interesting, don is playing this as if he's buying a used car- thinking that he can start walking out of the dealership, and they will come running to get his business.

But it's the opposite of that, as it's playing out- the more they try to compromise to make people happen, more cracks start to show up. Make the Freedumb guys happy, and all of a sudden moderates are not voting- noting more and more cracks.

Even more funny- as time is going on, many of the house are seeing Obama care for what it is- Romney Care warmed over- so this is a republican plan, with some tweaks, passed a Democrat who they hated so much that they used this one item as a crutch to be the opposition party. After 8 years of being JUST the opposition party, they can't figure out how to rule. Especially since the PPACA originated from one of them- so the core of it is hard to be opposed to for some.

One thing to take from this- if they can't get something like this, something every Republican has been flying the flag over for 7 years, to be "fixed" it seems unlikely they can get anything done. Which means all of the gloom and doom positions some want to take may not go anywhere. We could get 2 years of gridlock, all due to R's not agreeing with each other. Maybe not likely, but certainly possible.

 

[dxmnkd316]

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The freedom caucus has the benefit of a great abbreviation: FC

Easily reread as ****ing ****suckers.

 

[rufus]

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I think walrus was more going after Frauddy for his whining.

OK, I see that now.

Yeah, Flaggy, take your case to the people. See all the support you'll have, just hidden there, waiting to be unleashed. They're just looking for the right leader, someone who knows the truth and ain't afraid to say it.

 

[Rover]

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This has nothing to do with Obamacare and everything to do about power. Surprisingly there's an article that actually hit on this point:

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/03/trump-freedom-caucus-obamacare-236443

Freedumb caucus was the big dogs on capitol hill. They took down The Boner, and prevented McCarthy from becoming Speaker. Problem is Trump got elected and now they're being marginalized...until this vote. This is their chance to prove they're the craziest bahstids in the room and are willing to sink the whole proposal in order to get their way. Trump has countered by saying he's a bigger nut than they are and is perfectly willing to let this whole effort crash and burn. Hence the demand for a vote today (which Ryan cowered down to).

Given that about a dozen moderates will vote against it, that means Ryan needs all but 10 nutters. You know people like Goehmert aren't voting in favor of it so even if he does get Meadows on board I'm curious if he can bring enough loons along for the ride.

 

[mookie1995]

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He's not just walking away. He's going to go play golf. What a piece of shut.

It's hilarious. He's going to wak away from the presidency eventually. Isn't he?

don't the london bookies have this at even money?

 

[mookie1995]

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This has nothing to do with Obamacare and everything to do about power. Surprisingly there's an article that actually hit on this point:

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/03/trump-freedom-caucus-obamacare-236443

Freedumb caucus was the big dogs on capitol hill. They took down The Boner, and prevented McCarthy from becoming Speaker. Problem is Trump got elected and now they're being marginalized...until this vote. This is their chance to prove they're the craziest bahstids in the room and are willing to sink the whole proposal in order to get their way. Trump has countered by saying he's a bigger nut than they are and is perfectly willing to let this whole effort crash and burn. Hence the demand for a vote today (which Ryan cowered down to).

Given that about a dozen moderates will vote against it, that means Ryan needs all but 10 nutters. You know people like Goehmert aren't voting in favor of it so even if he does get Meadows on board I'm curious if he can bring enough loons along for the ride.

if it fails and tD moves on, that's perfect. what are we worried about then?

 

[rufus]

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Heritage Action, I assume the political arm-twisting wing of the Heritage Foundation, came out today urging members to vote against it. And I don't see why anyone voting against it will be worried, as the Koch brothers have already said they'll have their backs.

I mean really, what's orange Man gonna do except be b*tchy towards them?

 

[Kepler]

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It's still interesting political theater. How well did the FC'ers sleep last night?

Like a baby. They sleep the untroubled sleep of the just, or anyway of the pinwheel-eyed fanatic.

We are so used to Republicans being cynics and liars that it comes as a shock when a few of them (apparently, about 30) are sincere. The virtue those lack is empathy, not honesty.