The PPACA - Implementation Phase I

[Tiggsy]

Re: The PPACA - Implementation Phase I

At this very moment nothings happened. Policies don't even end till Jan. 1.

And given that the kids till 26 and can't lose insurance for pre-existing is already in place I'd have to say yes, we are better off at this very moment.

Nothing has happened, except knowing all the price increases coming, and of course those who got cancellation notices. I was given a letter that clearly states premiums are going up as a direct result of ACA. So I don't consider that nothing. When will we see the premiums go down like we were all promised?

 

[Old Pio]

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Maybe if the ama encouraged more medical schools rather than shoring up their monopoly, I'd be sympathetic. But since med schools, unlike law schools, are not money makers for colleges, the shortage is not lack of qualified people but lack of placement opportunities. I have no problem with nurse practitioners taking over more duties.

An expert on medical schools, too. Who'd a thunk it? Naturally you want to expand the role of nurse practitioners. More work (and fees) for bottom feeders. Besides, those "medical" schools in the Bahamas churn out lots of "doctors" for you to chose from.

 

[Old Pio]

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Good, catch on all they want. They've already caught on to the alternative (Cruz) and they don't like that either. One thing is for certain in all this mess. Obama would have been better off if he had let the Republicans kill this bill before it ever became law.

Seems Microsoft and Amazon offered to help with the website and the Government turned them down. Whoever made the decisions about who to hire to develop this website might be the most incompetent moron ever to serve in Washington.

That's all it is with you libtards isn't it? Politics. Winning and losing. What's good for the country is a distant second (if considered at all). Fire up the base. Keep the lofos ignorant. Scream racism every chance you get and keep yourself and your pals (including Mooshell's) feeding at the public trough. The real goal here is a single payer system. And almost none of the libtards will admit it. Benny Hill's humor was based significantly on how lousy British socialized medicine is. Pretty soon, if you guys have your way, we'll be laughing at ourselves.

 

[Old Pio]

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Nothing has happened, except knowing all the price increases coming, and of course those who got cancellation notices. I was given a letter that clearly states premiums are going up as a direct result of ACA. So I don't consider that nothing. When will we see the premiums go down like we were all promised?

I wonder if the genius who designed a "health care" plan that relies heavily on younger, healthier people joining up (to keep rates from skyrocketing) but allowed "children" up to age 26 to be enrolled on their parents' plans will step forward to take a bow?

 

[Old Pio]

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Yep, I'm sure one has died under such circumstances. That totally justifies a massive. un-read, poorly thought out, more poorly implemented, partisan overhaul of the entire system

"If even one injun is offended by the term "redskin,". . . . . ."

 

[walrus]

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. The real goal here is a single payer system. And almost none of the libtards will admit it. Benny Hill's humor was based significantly on how lousy British socialized medicine is. Pretty soon, if you guys have your way, we'll be laughing at ourselves.

I think they will all admit it, at least on here, they all want single payer and will tell you so

 

[Old Priocless]

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That's all it is with you neocon-artists isn't it? Politics. Winning and losing. What's good for the country is a distant second (if considered at all). Fire up the base. Keep the lofos ignorant. Scream abortion and t3h gays every chance you get and keep yourself and your pals (including drunken, cokehead Bushkie) soaking up corporate welfare and tax breaks, because eff everyone else, we've got ours. The real goal here is a plutocratic system. And almost none of the neocon-artists in power will admit it. Blah blah blah, old TV show reference no one on the board under the age of 40 gets.

Fixed your post. You and a couple other USCHO conservaginas, most notably our "libertarian" sociopath FlagDUDE, have proven time and time again with your platitudinous codswallop, that you've swallowed the Koch brothers' agenda - hook, line, and sinker. You are the ones obsessed with race (interesting for an ancient white guy such as yourself to be so keenly fixated on telling the black community his ideas for how they should behave themselves), you are the ones going apesh*t about every single thing Obama has tried to do, whilst subtly applauding the childish lack of negotiation from your side of the aisle, and you are the ones carping endlessly about "high" taxes and "wasteful" spending, whilst turning a blind eye to corporate subsidies and tax breaks. Why?

 

[Foxton]

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At least this could be entertaining, unlike the regurgitated talking points.

 

[pirate]

Fixed your post. You and a couple other USCHO conservaginas, most notably our "libertarian" sociopath FlagDUDE, have proven time and time again with your platitudinous codswallop, that you've swallowed the Koch brothers' agenda - hook, line, and sinker. You are the ones obsessed with race (interesting for an ancient white guy such as yourself to be so keenly fixated on telling the black community his ideas for how they should behave themselves), you are the ones going apesh*t about every single thing Obama has tried to do, whilst subtly applauding the childish lack of negotiation from your side of the aisle, and you are the ones carping endlessly about "high" taxes and "wasteful" spending, whilst turning a blind eye to corporate subsidies and tax breaks. Why?

I'm not going to waste my time with the whole "fixed your post" thing but reverse every one of those and sub Georgie for Obama and you have your answer.

Really, it isn't that complicated...neither side has the high ground you apparently think you hold.

 

[unofan]

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I'm not going to waste my time with the whole "fixed your post" thing but reverse every one of those and sub Georgie for Obama and you have your answer.

Really, it isn't that complicated...neither side has the high ground you apparently think you hold.

You didn't look at his username, did you?

 

[pirate]

You didn't look at his username, did you?

I did. And don't have the time to read into it. Whether that person is being facetious or straight up, my response would be the same.

 

[DrDemento]

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Maybe if the ama encouraged more medical schools rather than shoring up their monopoly, I'd be sympathetic. But since med schools, unlike law schools, are not money makers for colleges, the shortage is not lack of qualified people but lack of placement opportunities. I have no problem with nurse practitioners taking over more duties.

Having sat on admission commitees for 2 dseparate medical Schools let me just give you a statistic to think about. In the 1960's with approximately 65 medical schools in this country there was approximately 8 applications for each open position to enter medical school. There has been quite an increase since then-to somewhat over 125 traditional medical schools and approximately 26 schools of osteopathy. However the number of applications for each open position has fallen significantly and some years has reached less than 3 to 1. Still think the problem is lack of placement opportunities? Now add in all those who travel to the various schools in the Caribbean and mexico and then return. Please find a physician you trust-and respect-who has been in practice for many years and ask him to be honest when you ask him if he would- 1)choose his profession as a life's work now and 2)would he want his son or daughter to follow in his footsteps given the current state of medical practice.

As far as nurse practitioners taking over more duties-how much autonomy do you want to give them and physician assistents? Would you let them perform surgery on you? Sew up your child in an emergency room? Prescribe drugs with possible dangerous side effects for your family? I wonder how many congressmen/senators/supreme court judges etc are seen by fully trained board certifed physicians compared with how many are treated by nurse practitioners and physician assistents. It is very easy to say what is best for all the other guys-but when your own life or that of a family member is on the line, do you not wnat to make the decision to see the most qualified?

 

[DrDemento]

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I wonder if the genius who designed a "health care" plan that relies heavily on younger, healthier people joining up (to keep rates from skyrocketing) but allowed "children" up to age 26 to be enrolled on their parents' plans will step forward to take a bow?

Does that qualify as oxymoronic?

 

[SteveP]

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Does that qualify as oxymoronic?

How 'bout just moronic?

 

[St. Clown]

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I think they will all admit it, at least on here, they all want single payer and will tell you so

What really chaps my hide is that as we move in that direction, with people seeing medical care as a right owed to them, we've essentially come to the point where we have the right to another person's expertise and labor. That alone would cause me to steer any hypothetical children I might have away from the medical profession.


(And this was in part a reply to the good Doctor's question.)

 

[unofan]

What really chaps my hide is that as we move in that direction, with people seeing medical care as a right owed to them, we've essentially come to the point where we have the right to another person's expertise and labor.

I'm sure my wife, a public defender, would have plenty to say on that subject (having a right to anothers expertise and labor). None of which would jive with your implied assertion that she is somehow a slave to her clients.

 

[Old Pio]

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I'm sure my wife, a public defender, would have plenty to say on that subject (having a right to anothers expertise and labor). None of which would jive with your implied assertion that she is somehow a slave to her clients.

Even by your standards, your thinking here is incredibly jumbled.

 

[geezer]

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Fixed your post. You and a couple other USCHO conservaginas, most notably our "libertarian" sociopath FlagDUDE, have proven time and time again with your platitudinous codswallop, that you've swallowed the Koch brothers' agenda - hook, line, and sinker. You are the ones obsessed with race (interesting for an ancient white guy such as yourself to be so keenly fixated on telling the black community his ideas for how they should behave themselves), you are the ones going apesh*t about every single thing Obama has tried to do, whilst subtly applauding the childish lack of negotiation from your side of the aisle, and you are the ones carping endlessly about "high" taxes and "wasteful" spending, whilst turning a blind eye to corporate subsidies and tax breaks. Why?

I can't tell who this is; I think it's not one of the more prolific posters. It shows a pretty high level of critical thinking disguised as outrage, stilted language disguised as formality, and immaturity disguised as sophistry; I read recently how current college students are now making the archaic "whilst" popular in their term papers for unknown reasons, but I have a hard time picturing anyone over 30 using it that hasn't been dead for 200 years. On the other hand, it's hard to picture someone under 30 going with "carping" right there.
Well done though, critic.

 

[FreshFish]

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When will we see the premiums go down like we were all promised?

It's mathematically impossible.

 

[FreshFish]

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What really chaps my hide is that as we move in that direction, with people seeing medical care as a right owed to them, we've essentially come to the point where we have the right to another person's expertise and labor.

I wish I could find the link. Some professor or left-wing political leader of some kind said that the concept that "it takes hard work to get ahead in life" is racist. Back in the 1980s, people spoke earnestly of the "right" to collect welfare.