The PPACA - Implementation Phase I

[Rover]

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Umm, estimates now that 51% of company insurance will be cancelled as well:



Keep throwing the deck chairs off the Titanic and keep insisting it's a minor leak that we'll bail out in the morning...

Ummm goldy, some estimates have said Death Panels would be up and running by now. Perhaps we should...oh I don't know...wait and see how it plays out?

 

[walrus]

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So long as an act is filled with good intentions, it doesn't matter if you're lying to every person in the United States to complete your goal? Okay, I got it.

As long as it a Democrat that lies its ok, A repub should be hung for lying

 

[goldy_331]

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Ummm goldy, some estimates have said Death Panels would be up and running by now. Perhaps we should...oh I don't know...wait and see how it plays out?

They are the Administration's estimates. Or are we to the point now where we assume everything they say is a lie?

 

[DrDemento]

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While I haven't spoken to him recently, I'm guessing he was speaking in generalities as most of the population (those with employer insurance, those on Medicare, a good portion of private insurance, etc) won't see any changes.

buster and Dr, I appreciate your perspective as always, but I'm not sure I'm expecting the medical profession to cease to exist because of Obamacare. Its sounds a little like people telling us billionaires will stop trying to make money if their taxes go up 5%.

Rover, you are far too smart to even think either of us are hinting that. Medical practice will go forever-simply because it is a necessary profession-people neeed help in dealing with death and disease. But will most certainly change-and you can take this one to the bank-is that the care you will be getting will not be for the most part by the most qualified person to give it. And even at that-the care you will get will be what is the most economical and not the most beneficial. This is not all new to the ACA-this has been slowly increasing going way back to the 1960's(and yes i am old enough to remember). The scientific advances in medicine have been wonderful-but we are talking about the availability of quality and qualified care. Doctors will be practicing as employees-unable to choose the best possible diagnostic workup nor the most effective treatment. They will have to do cookbook medicine and diagnose and treat based on what costs the least to their employers(who are not trained to diagnose and treat). Personally i am very worried-not as a physician-I pretty much practice now totally pro bono so this does not affect my income at all-but it most certainly affects me as a patient who also has to wade through the medical process to see a phyciain who can adequately diagnose and treat myself and my family. Please do not knee jerk react to this-consider that what i am saying is based on a lot of personal experience. if others can show that their experience in medicine is different, feel free to comment. Just my medical 2¢

 

[Rover]

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They are the Administration's estimates. Or are we to the point now where we assume everything they say is a lie?

What part of "lets see how this plays out" are you struggling with? Why is it when the CBO says this will be deficit neutral they're full of $#%&, but then when another govt document has an estimate that you like its gospel? This is why opponents have no credibility.

 

[FreshFish]

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He didn't account for crazy/stupid people.

What??? He most certainly did! That's how he got re-elected, by blatantly pandering to stupid people!

 

[Priceless]

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What??? He most certainly did! That's how he got re-elected, by blatantly pandering to stupid people!

 

[Old Pio]

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I think USCHO should establish the Wallace Hartley award. To be given monthly? (annually?) to the libtard who plays his violin most sincerely in the face of disaster. Obamacare (the rollout and the law) are disasters. And the libtards who post here know it. But Democrats up for reelection next year are heading for the lifeboats. Once again demonstrating the truth of the old expression about rats and sinking ships. Bon voyage.

During the government shutdown Libtards chanted in unison: "Republicans own this." Well, sweeties, you own Obamacare. I'm guessing voters paying those increased premiums next year (you know, for policies that provide pre natal care for men and post menopausal women) will remember who's responsible.

 

[Old Pio]

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I wish I could find the link. Some professor or left-wing political leader of some kind said that the concept that "it takes hard work to get ahead in life" is racist. Back in the 1980s, people spoke earnestly of the "right" to collect welfare.

Democrats had the National Welfare Rights Organization prominently displayed at at least two conventions, on the podium, ranting away.

 

[Old Pio]

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That was an issue long before Obamacare. I've been hearing my entire adult life about the pending shortage of medical providers

But never about a pending insufficiency of lawyers.

 

[Old Pio]

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Fixed your post. You and a couple other USCHO conservaginas, most notably our "libertarian" sociopath FlagDUDE, have proven time and time again with your platitudinous codswallop, that you've swallowed the Koch brothers' agenda - hook, line, and sinker. You are the ones obsessed with race (interesting for an ancient white guy such as yourself to be so keenly fixated on telling the black community his ideas for how they should behave themselves), you are the ones going apesh*t about every single thing Obama has tried to do, whilst subtly applauding the childish lack of negotiation from your side of the aisle, and you are the ones carping endlessly about "high" taxes and "wasteful" spending, whilst turning a blind eye to corporate subsidies and tax breaks. Why?

Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls: this loser ain't me.

 

[Old Pio]

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Show me a doctor who doesn't get paid, and I'll show you a bridge I have for sale.

Edit: once you get past college football and basketball coaches, the next highest salaries for state employees are typically doctors.

If you had been smart enough, maybe you should have given medicine a shot. If you had been smart enough.

 

[Priceless]

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Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls: this loser ain't me.

Did you really think anyone would make that mistake?

 

[FreshFish]

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If you are an unmarried male, you are still required to purchase a policy that offers maternity benefits.

If you are a childless couple in your 50s, you are still required to purchase a policy that offers pediatric care.

 

[SJHovey]

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I think USCHO should establish the Wallace Hartley award. To be given monthly? (annually?) to the libtard who plays his violin most sincerely in the face of disaster. Obamacare (the rollout and the law) are disasters. And the libtards who post here know it. But Democrats up for reelection next year are heading for the lifeboats. Once again demonstrating the truth of the old expression about rats and sinking ships. Bon voyage.

During the government shutdown Libtards chanted in unison: "Republicans own this." Well, sweeties, you own Obamacare. I'm guessing voters paying those increased premiums next year (you know, for policies that provide pre natal care for men and post menopausal women) will remember who's responsible.

I was wondering the other day. How many times in 2014 are we going to see a political ad for a republican candidate that include Obama's sound bite "you like your old policy, you get to keep it"?

 

[FreshFish]

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I was wondering the other day. How many times in 2014 are we going to see a political ad for a republican candidate that include Obama's sound bite "you like your old policy, you get to keep it"?

I hope Bart Stupak suffers from daily heartburn as he sees these events unfolding.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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If you are an unmarried male, you are still required to purchase a policy that offers maternity benefits.

If you are a childless couple in your 50s, you are still required to purchase a policy that offers pediatric care.

I fail to see why that is a problem. As John Roberts said Obamacare is a TAX. As a TAX people will be paying for **** they don't want or need.

 

[MattS]

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Rut will most certainly change-and you can take this one to the bank-is that the care you will be getting will not be for the most part by the most qualified person to give it. And even at that-the care you will get will be what is the most economical and not the most beneficial.

I am very sure that the "most qualified person to give it" is not from whom a vast majority of people are receiving their medical care from right now. So I doubt that most people will notice any difference in the level of medical care they are receiving. I have no delusions that the doctor I go to is most qualified in anything. If most people think they are seeing the most qualified doctor then they are deluding themselves.

Also, as I am sure you are aware, since the beginning of time medical care has always had economics involved. This is not a new thing. Is it going to play a larger role? Maybe, for some things I am sure. Overall, I doubt it will play out as bad as the critics believe. Time will tell though.

 

[FreshFish]

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As John Roberts said Obamacare is a TAX.

Not quite. Justice Roberts said that the "penalty" for not buying insurance is a tax. The premiums for health insurance are not a "tax."

You don't see a problem for person who lives in the mountains being required to buy flood insurance? or a person who lives in Iowa being required to buy insurance against earthquake damage?

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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Not quite. Justice Roberts said that the "penalty" for not buying insurance is a tax. The premiums for health insurance are not a "tax."

You don't see a problem for person who lives in the mountains being required to buy flood insurance? or a person who lives in Iowa being required to buy insurance against earthquake damage?

No. Since the Feds pay for flood damage and insurance anyway they're paying for flood insurance regardless if they thing they aren't or not. What part of we're all paying for **** we don't want to pay for don't you get?