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The Power of the SCOTUS VIII - I am certiorari we'll be arguing until Thanksgiving

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I ask this question completely out of ignorance, but what is the hold on business by today's union framework? Compared with 10 years go? 50? 100?

I worked for UPS for 7 years (last in 2012) and while the union could at times be frustrating, in the end there wasn't any employee that deserved an exit that didn't receive one at our hub.
 
I ask this question completely out of ignorance, but what is the hold on business by today's union framework? Compared with 10 years go? 50? 100?

I worked for UPS for 7 years (last in 2012) and while the union could at times be frustrating, in the end there wasn't any employee that deserved an exit that didn't receive one at our hub.
That's exactly the question in all of this.

In the public sector stuff the actual fault lies at the of legislators who are giving away tax breaks to groups like mad and blaming unions for daring to ask for decent wages and benefits. It's easier to blame unions for budget woes than their political donors for the huge tax breaks, divide and conquer the working class as they say.

In the private sector it's because unions get in the way of profit.
 
Re: The Power of the SCOTUS VIII - I am certiorari we'll be arguing until Thanksgivin

I ask this question completely out of ignorance, but what is the hold on business by today's union framework? Compared with 10 years go? 50? 100?

I worked for UPS for 7 years (last in 2012) and while the union could at times be frustrating, in the end there wasn't any employee that deserved an exit that didn't receive one at our hub.
According to recent statistics, about 35.7% of public sector and 6.6% of private sector employees belong to unions. http://www.bls.gov/news.release/union2.nr0.htm
 
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I ask this question completely out of ignorance, but what is the hold on business by today's union framework? Compared with 10 years go? 50? 100?

IMHO, the private sector unions' "hold on business" is far greater than it appears, because the private-sector unions have been so very successful in their mission.


To some extent many employers simply capitulated to the most important union demands and in effect co-opted the unions at their own game. This move caught some unions by surprise, and since they weren't nimble enough or adept enough to adapt, they saw their membership fall just as non-union employees received the kinds of benefits that in earlier years were only provided to union members through hard and arduous negotiation (e.g. health insurance, employer contribution to 401k, paid vacation).

Even more, the government has co-opted the need for private sector unions through increased regulations. Think of OSHA, for example. A major union demand used to be on-the-job safety, now OSHA takes on that role instead of union negotiators. Or unemployment insurance, COBRA continuation of benefits to terminated employees, etc.

Finally, it looks to me like some private-sector unions misplayed their hand by emphasizing the wrong things. When I first started work, it was hard to be a union plumber, electrician, carpenter, because in order to receive full union certification, you had to undergo a rigorous training and certification schedule. "Union made" back then was a sign of quality, membership in a trade union was an exclusive privilege only available to a select membership through the dint of hard work and extended effort. Since then, union leaders and union members have had a divergence of interest. Union leaders wanted more income to spend, which required more dues to be paid, which led them to dilute membership standards and led them to emphasize job security over work quality. The most skilled union members chafed at having their incomes held back by less-competent people and left the unions because they could demand better incomes and benefits outside the union than inside it.
 
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Interesting.

It was not unexpected that the Supreme Court took up a case Tuesday challenging the Obama administration's executive actions on immigration. But it was somewhat of a surprise that in doing so, the court asked to be briefed on whether the memo outlining the administration's policy “violates the Take Care Clause of the Constitution” -- a question which was not addressed directly in lower court decisions and not among those the U.S. government included in its petition.

Legal eagles?
 
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Since we were talking about unions recently.....

In Illinois, the Governor offered merit pay / incentive bonus payments to union members (AFSCME) and the union leadership rejected it. Part of the problem that weakened private sector unions, leadership working at cross purposes from the more ambitious and competent union members.

Who wouldn't want a bonus? It's not like they are penalizing people who don't qualify!
 
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I'll be honest, I didn't know that part of the Constitution even had a specific name, let alone that it's referred to as the "Take Care Clause." I can't ever recall hearing of a case involving that language. It just seems to me it is some sort of separation of powers argument. Congress passes the laws and the executive branch has to enforce them. If we're going to let the Court start second guessing whether the President has "taken care" of the laws, that's one big 'ol can 'o worms.
 
Since we were talking about unions recently.....

In Illinois, the Governor offered merit pay / incentive bonus payments to union members (AFSCME) and the union leadership rejected it. Part of the problem that weakened private sector unions, leadership working at cross purposes from the more ambitious and competent union members.

Who wouldn't want a bonus? It's not like they are penalizing people who don't qualify!

This: http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...house-union-vote-met-0902-20150901-story.html

paints a slightly different picture than your obvious source: http://www.wsj.com/articles/illinois-union-showdown-1453336605
 
Re: The Power of the SCOTUS VIII - I am certiorari we'll be arguing until Thanksgivin

Since we were talking about unions recently.....

In Illinois, the Governor offered merit pay / incentive bonus payments to union members (AFSCME) and the union leadership rejected it. Part of the problem that weakened private sector unions, leadership working at cross purposes from the more ambitious and competent union members.

Who wouldn't want a bonus? It's not like they are penalizing people who don't qualify!
The union bosses are probably looking at these bonus opportunities as false hopes. Sure, they're technically offering the bonuses and merit pay, but if only 0.01% of people ever get them, then is it really worth adding such stress to our members' lives?

Also, there's a matter of control over future wages for all union members. Merit pay has been viewed in the past as a way to suppress the base pay for the greater population of union members.
 
Re: The Power of the SCOTUS VIII - I am certiorari we'll be arguing until Thanksgivin

Since we were talking about unions recently.....

In Illinois, the Governor offered merit pay / incentive bonus payments to union members (AFSCME) and the union leadership rejected it. Part of the problem that weakened private sector unions, leadership working at cross purposes from the more ambitious and competent union members.

Who wouldn't want a bonus? It's not like they are penalizing people who don't qualify!

Who sets the incentives, and determines when the targets necessary to achieve them have been reached by each individual worker?

Merit pay/performance bonuses/etc. are great for salespeople or recruiters, who have obvious targets that can be set. "You brought in $X thousand in new business, or started 5 new hires in January and 4 of them are still with the company after 90 days? Congrats, here's your bonus."

That structure mostly sucks for everyone else, where success is harder to define in raw numbers.
 
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I'll be honest, I didn't know that part of the Constitution even had a specific name, let alone that it's referred to as the "Take Care Clause." I can't ever recall hearing of a case involving that language. It just seems to me it is some sort of separation of powers argument. Congress passes the laws and the executive branch has to enforce them. If we're going to let the Court start second guessing whether the President has "taken care" of the laws, that's one big 'ol can 'o worms.

The future Minnesotans added that clause. (If you've watched Fargo, you know how the accents sound):

"Ok, yep. I'll talk to you later then. You take care now. Bye."
 
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SCOTUS issues a stay of implementation of EPA's "Clean Power Plan" regulations until after court challenges are heard. 5-4 ruling

Left-wing, here is your link: http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2016/02/americas-battle-over-climate-change

Right-wing, yours: http://www.wsj.com/articles/supreme-court-puts-epa-carbon-rule-on-hold-during-litigation-1455061135

None of the justices explained their reasoning in the one-page order, which blocked the regulation until the case is litigated by an appeals court and reaches the high court.

Oral arguments at the appeals level are scheduled for June, with the possibility of a ruling later in the year, on time to be heard in the Supreme Court’s 2016-2017 term.
 
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The Economist is considered left-wing? I declare shenanigans.
 
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The Economist is considered left-wing? I declare shenanigans.

To the right, everything that isn't in their bubble is "left wing." In other words, when it comes to science, everything is left wing. :)

The SCOTUS ruling is brutally on the wrong side of both fact and history, so it won't last very long. Just another reason we can't let the orcs back in the White House.
 
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The Economist is considered left-wing?.

Not the print magazine, the author of that particular online blog.

On their website, they have blogs separate from their mainstream reporting that are trying to be hip and trendy. There is lots of editorializing in almost every sentence by the insertion of extraneous adjectives with connotations clearly slanted one way or the other. If you read that particular post, it could easily have been written by Kepler, for example. Anyone who disagrees with me is a trogdolyte, while people who agree with me are clearly acknowledging how smart I am, that kind of condescension dripping from every paragraph.

In a different blog post, Bernie Sanders was described as giving a "long-winded" speech.
 
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US Constitution, Article I, Section 8:

The Congress shall have Power To establish Post Offices and post Roads.

So while it has the Power to do so, it is not explicitly required to do so. Legal eagles agree?

How might this Power be interpreted in the 21st century? does this Power in today's world mean that Congress has the power to establish a common centralized email exchange if it wanted to?
 
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