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The Power of the SCOTUS Part VI - Roberts rules disorder

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Obama is a stone cold liberal. And its living proof that a liberal agenda can overwhelmingly win election twice, the first President since Ike to win 51% of the vote twice. Univeral healthcare, increased taxes on the rich, reduction in defense spending, increased regulation. Backing gay marriage (eventually). That's a liberal agenda, and one of solid accomplishment especially in face of treasonous knuckledraggers.

He's a Cold War Liberal, where the part of the old Communist Bloc is now being played by radical fundamentalism. But his heart is DLC and the transition to Hillary's more overt corporatism would be smooth.

It's certainly preferable as compared with the GOP, which for thirty years has been metastasizing into a National Front fascist junta. Obama's big achievement has been keeping the White Walkers at bay. That's vital for preserving us as a democracy, but thus far he hasn't been able to make meaningful reforms to the Reaganite economics that has destroyed the middle class since the 80s.

The US is missing a party. We have a far right and a center party, and are missing a far left party. I wouldn't always vote for the far left party if it existed, but we need it as a counterweight to the radical right. That was the biggest lesson of the Great Recession.
 
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We don't have Universal Healthcare.
When did we increase taxes on the rich?
When did we reduce defense spending? The Pentagon just announced it was spending $1.35 TRILLION on a new jet program.
When did we actually increase regulations? And do the regulatory agencies have people to enforce them?

1) We're a lot closer on healthcare
2) 2012. With the Obama re-election Bush era tax cuts sunsetted. Obama held the line and top income earners saw their tax rate go up amongst other increased (cap gains went up too I believe). Look it up.
3) Sequester and 2011 budget control agreement have cut a projected 1.5T out of the defense dept budget over 10 years. Defense was running approx 750B a year under Bush. Down to about 500B I believe now. Look it up.
4) Dodd-Frank & Consumer Financial Protection Board. Anybody in the finance industry could tell you that. Again, look it up.
 
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1) We're a lot closer on healthcare
2) 2012. With the Obama re-election Bush era tax cuts sunsetted. Obama held the line and top income earners saw their tax rate go up amongst other increased (cap gains went up too I believe). Look it up.
3) Sequester and 2011 budget control agreement have cut a projected 1.5T out of the defense dept budget over 10 years. Defense was running approx 750B a year under Bush. Down to about 500B I believe now. Look it up.
4) Dodd-Frank & Consumer Financial Protection Board. Anybody in the finance industry could tell you that. Again, look it up.

We have a healthcare plan created by the Heritage Foundation.
So the top tax rate is back to a whopping 39.6%. Yippie. Sweden (and Eisenhower) laugh at that.
We still spend more on our military than the rest of the world combined.
Again, do the agencies have any people to enforce those laws? How's the White Collar Crime division at the FBI look these days? Anyone work there but the janitor who cleans the cobwebs?
 
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When did we increase taxes on the rich?
1/2/2013
When did we reduce defense spending?
2013
When did we actually increase regulations?
We don't have Universal Healthcare.
1 for 4 don't make it in the big leagues


Rover beat me to it your Response is as expected
 
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If I have a great glove and play SS I make about $10M/year. :)

My point remains however. This isn't Socialism. It isn't even close to Socialism.
If you made $10M/yr you would be on here bitcccchinng about how the tax system is socialist ;)
 
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We don't have Universal Healthcare.
Yes we do, we merely do not have universal health insurance. Any person who shows up at a hospital emergency room gets treated, that sounds "universal" to me.
 
Are you drunk? :D I wrote "and in bringing down the costs of healthcare which were expected to skyrocket." - as in costs are growing much slower than expected before the ACA came into effect (according to CBO estimates).
You're the drunk one.

According to you, cost going UP less than we thought = cost going DOWN.
 
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Yes we do, we merely do not have universal health insurance. Any person who shows up at a hospital emergency room gets treated, that sounds "universal" to me.

Dude. If you think getting treated at an ER is equivalent to universal health care you are ****ing delusional.
 
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political threads make strange alliances. Kudos to busterman for summing it up for us.

The idea that Obama is not a liberal is absurd. If not raising taxes up to Swedish levels makes you a conservative, there's a lot more cons out there than I realized. :rolleyes: Go back to 2004 and tell me that you expected gay marriage to be legal, upper income tax payers to have their rate put back at Clinton era levels plus an additional surcharge for the ACA, a 50 state expansion of federal health care, and a new consumer board keeping tabs on the entire financial industry, not just banks or securities but even recently the credit agencies, and people would have said you were nuts. I'd also point out for Keps sake that the CIA torture report NEVER gets released under a GOP Congress.

So again stop whining people.
 
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If you made $10M/yr you would be on here bitcccchinng about how the tax system is socialist ;)

My offer to trade with anyone who feels their taxes are too high remains on the table.
 
political threads make strange alliances. Kudos to busterman for summing it up for us.

The idea that Obama is not a liberal is absurd. If not raising taxes up to Swedish levels makes you a conservative, there's a lot more cons out there than I realized. :rolleyes: Go back to 2004 and tell me that you expected gay marriage to be legal, upper income tax payers to have their rate put back at Clinton era levels plus an additional surcharge for the ACA, a 50 state expansion of federal health care, and a new consumer board keeping tabs on the entire financial industry, not just banks or securities but even recently the credit agencies, and people would have said you were nuts. I'd also point out for Keps sake that the CIA torture report NEVER gets released under a GOP Congress.

So again stop whining people.
You think of it as groundbreaking, we think of it as a good start.
 
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Dude. If you think getting treated at an ER is equivalent to universal health care you are ****ing delusional.

And if you can't afford surgery or ongoing care, there's always the tombstone option.
 
Re: The Power of the SCOTUS Part VI - Roberts rules disorder

Obama is a stone cold liberal. And its living proof that a liberal agenda can overwhelmingly win election twice, the first President since Ike to win 51% of the vote twice. Univeral healthcare, increased taxes on the rich, reduction in defense spending, increased regulation. Backing gay marriage (eventually). That's a liberal agenda, and one of solid accomplishment especially in face of treasonous knuckledraggers.

Wow.

1. There is not universal health care. Lay off the pipe.
2. Increased taxes where? He just let tax cuts sunset. That's NOT AN INCREASE. Calling it one is basically making the argument for the Republicans.
3. Reduced where? No reductions that I can see. Military complex is as big as ever. Maybe he cut a few planes or ships or something but that's about it.
4. There's no increased regulation if there's NO ONE TO ENFORCE IT.
5. Whoop dee doo. That's the one liberal he did and he flipped (John Kerry'd) flopped to do it.
 
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Wow.

1. There is not universal health care. Lay off the pipe.
2. Increased taxes where? He just let tax cuts sunset. That's NOT AN INCREASE. Calling it one is basically making the argument for the Republicans.
3. Reduced where? No reductions that I can see. Military complex is as big as ever. Maybe he cut a few planes or ships or something but that's about it.
4. There's no increased regulation if there's NO ONE TO ENFORCE IT.
5. Whoop dee doo. That's the one liberal he did and he flipped (John Kerry'd) flopped to do it.


To your points above:

1) Nonsense. Not politically or maybe even economically possible to offer single payer in one swoop. Give it up already and stop making the perfect the enemy of the good.
2) Revenue bills originate in House. House wanted all gimmicky tax cuts to continue. Obama said no. Politically its a lot easier to propose a tax cut than a tax hike. Obama stuck to his guns and it helped reduce the deficit by 700Bn over 10 years, so stop crying.
3) If you can't see then you need to open your eyes or a google link. Defense spending is down, significantly from its Bush era heights.
4) You keep coming back to this point with nothing to back it up. Show me where nobody works for the CFPB, the Justice Dept or the SEC. :rolleyes:
5) Nice you you to pooh pooh this one. Maybe you'll get lucky and Ralph Nader will run again in 2016 and siphon off enough votes to elect Ted Cruz. That'll really show us, huh?
 
Re: The Power of the SCOTUS Part VI - Roberts rules disorder

We don't have Universal Healthcare.
When did we increase taxes on the rich?
When did we reduce defense spending? The Pentagon just announced it was spending $1.35 TRILLION on a new jet program.
When did we actually increase regulations? And do the regulatory agencies have people to enforce them?

I think Rover moved to Colorado or something because he has to be high...
 
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