The Power of the SCOTUS Part VI - Roberts rules disorder

[Bob Gray]

Re: The Power of the SCOTUS Part VI - Roberts rules disorder

Not the point. Liberals understand that the "Magnificence of the Law" is just another ping pong ball in the political game of pressure advocacy, because we almost always lose. It's frauds like Scalia that fake the "distinerested jurist" drag act when all they're doing is ramming the whims of the powerful down the powerless's throats.

It's not the right's jimmeying the locks that I object to. It's the rank hypocrisy of them hanging on the cross while they're doing it.

You almost always lose? What? You've been watching too many episodes of Star Trek with alternate universes or something to believe that. But, hey, I know that type of fiction is needed to try to justify continuing to push the liberal agenda down everyone's throats. You finally have a Court for a little while that doesn't always give you what you want after having liberal courts that for decades pretty much did, and the sky is now falling.

 

[Kepler]

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You almost always lose? What? You've been watching too many episodes of Star Trek with alternate universes or something to believe that. But, hey, I know that type of fiction is needed to try to justify continuing to push the liberal agenda down everyone's throats. You finally have a Court for a little while that doesn't always give you what you want after having liberal courts that for decades pretty much did, and the sky is now falling.

Everything is relative. Even the relatively liberal Warren Court was still quite conservative by the standards of the global left. In the United States, the ground game is a fight between far right and center right. It's good when we win the occasional battle, but those battles are typically the relief of some egregious wrong the ending of which ought to have been a baseline condition agreed to by all parties.

The radical right has had proponents of its agenda in all three branches. The radical left occasionally gets a congressman and currently has one Senator (Bernie). We have never had a justice who is to the left what Scalia is to the right.

 

[Bob Gray]

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Everything is relative. Even the relatively liberal Warren Court was still quite conservative by the standards of the global left. In the United States, the ground game is a fight between far right and center right. It's good when we win the occasional battle, but those battles are typically the relief of some egregious wrong the ending of which ought to have been a baseline condition agreed to by all parties.

The radical right has had proponents of its agenda in all three branches. The radical left occasionally gets a congressman and currently has one Senator (Bernie). We have never had a justice who is to the left what Scalia is to the right.

I have to say, your angles on things are quite interesting, if quite flawed.

So when will Obama dump his radical right advisors? Who exactly are the radical rights in the executive branch? I suppose in your book maybe Obama is?

 

[burd]

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You almost always lose? What? You've been watching too many episodes of Star Trek with alternate universes or something to believe that. But, hey, I know that type of fiction is needed to try to justify continuing to push the liberal agenda down everyone's throats. You finally have a Court for a little while that doesn't always give you what you want after having liberal courts that for decades pretty much did, and the sky is now falling.

No kidding, with the likes of that commie pinko, big gov advocate, Rehnquist, and the 19 years he ran that court.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

No kidding, with the likes of that commie pinko, big gov advocate, Rehnquist, and the 19 years he ran that court.

Uh, huh. Obama is to the right of Bush II on many issues. I think what weve found now is that the right side is uncompromising on everything and has forgotten or does not care anymore about the issues that Obama actually leans right on. And they are numerous. We woud be so far ahead if the conservatives gave a **** about anything except the rich and the unborn.

 

[Kepler]

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I have to say, your angles on things are quite interesting, if quite flawed.

So when will Obama dump his radical right advisors? Who exactly are the radical rights in the executive branch? I suppose in your book maybe Obama is?

Obama is a centrist. The radical right runs things when the Bad Guys win.

(Of course, the farther right you are, the more the center looks "left" to you.)

This aint bad.

 

[Bob Gray]

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Obama is a centrist. The radical right runs things when the Bad Guys win.

(Of course, the farther right you are, the more the center looks "left" to you.)

This aint bad.

So no radical right folks in the executive branch after all? Obama is a centrist in certain ways (mostly when he's forced by circumstances) and far left in other ways. Of course, the farther left you are, the more the center looks "right" to you.

 

[Priceless]

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Europeans laugh when people argue the Democrats are "left-wing" and terms like "Socialism" are thrown around.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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So no radical right folks in the executive branch after all? Obama is a centrist in certain ways (mostly when he's forced by circumstances) and far left in other ways. Of course, the farther left you are, the more the center looks "right" to you.

Radical, I doubt it. However, Obama has used the executive branch in order to try to gain advantages in the legislative branch. For example, my former representative, John McHugh. Don't know if you'd call him extreme or not, but in 2009, a right-wing stronghold in what would otherwise have a good chance at becoming left-wing was made Secretary of the Army, a special election was held, and socialist Bill Owens ended up scooping up the spot.

 

[Kepler]

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So no radical right folks in the executive branch after all? Obama is a centrist in certain ways (mostly when he's forced by circumstances) and far left in other ways. Of course, the farther left you are, the more the center looks "right" to you.

In what way is Obama "far left"? I'm genuinely curious what you think that means.

This to me is the radical left:

+ National ownership of industries and financial institutions
+ Maximum wealth and property ceiling
+ Minimum wealth and property floor
+ Legal guarantee of free, universal, high quality food, clothing, shelter, education, health care, child care, elder care
+ Legal diversity quotas in business and government
+ Absolute prohibition of military draft

 

[Kepler]

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In other news: the arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends toward justice.

 

[Bob Gray]

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In what way is Obama "far left"? I'm genuinely curious what you think that means.

This to me is the radical left:

+ National ownership of industries and financial institutions
+ Maximum wealth and property ceiling
+ Minimum wealth and property floor
+ Legal guarantee of free, universal, high quality food, clothing, shelter, education, health care, child care, elder care
+ Legal diversity quotas in business and government
+ Absolute prohibition of military draft

That's not radical left, that's destroying any semblance of what this country has ever looked like. Basically you're saying radical left looks like the old Soviet Union in many ways. Except a utopian version that could never happen in reality. The free stuff for everyone does sound a lot like Obama though, when you put it that way. Oh, and he's way left on social issues, as I've noted many times in the past. And doesn't support the rule of law unless convenient. I could go on, but we've been through this before.

High quality food guarantee is an interesting one. Of course if folks were doing all those other things, I wouldn't want them deciding what a high quality food is for me or my family.

 

[Bob Gray]

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In other news: the arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends toward justice.

Sounds like a very America-centric view, though even there it breaks down.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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In what way is Obama "far left"? I'm genuinely curious what you think that means.

This to me is the radical left:

+ National ownership of industries and financial institutions
+ Maximum wealth and property ceiling
+ Minimum wealth and property floor
+ Legal guarantee of free, universal, high quality food, clothing, shelter, education, health care, child care, elder care
+ Legal diversity quotas in business and government
+ Absolute prohibition of military draft

National ownership is certainly happening, albeit not directly, but rather through the bureaucracy/plutocracy theories you provided.
Maximum wealth through a progressive tax system (albeit with loopholes to make sure the "buddies" are taken care of)
Minimum wealth through minimum wage
Legal guarantee is the end goal of the PPACA, Moocher's lunches, the programs to forgive student debt, among other things.
Quotas we still see via the affirmative action programs, although vehemently denied.
Military draft wasn't exactly prohibited, but the attempt with Iraqi Freedom on the next large generation, the Millennials, didn't work, so it COULD fit in.r

 

[Rover]

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Oops. Just accidentally happened to state that the costs came down instead of the rate of increase coming down, right? Just an innocent mistake, I'm sure.

Are you drunk? I wrote "and in bringing down the costs of healthcare which were expected to skyrocket." - as in costs are growing much slower than expected before the ACA came into effect (according to CBO estimates).

 

[Rover]

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Obama is a stone cold liberal. And its living proof that a liberal agenda can overwhelmingly win election twice, the first President since Ike to win 51% of the vote twice. Univeral healthcare, increased taxes on the rich, reduction in defense spending, increased regulation. Backing gay marriage (eventually). That's a liberal agenda, and one of solid accomplishment especially in face of treasonous knuckledraggers.

 

[Kepler]

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That's not radical left, that's destroying any semblance of what this country has ever looked like.

Which is radical left. You are proving my point that in the United States the political parties are the far right vs the center right.

 

[Priceless]

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Obama is a stone cold liberal. And its living proof that a liberal agenda can overwhelmingly win election twice, the first President since Ike to win 51% of the vote twice. Univeral healthcare, increased taxes on the rich, reduction in defense spending, increased regulation. Backing gay marriage (eventually). That's a liberal agenda, and one of solid accomplishment especially in face of treasonous knuckledraggers.

We don't have Universal Healthcare.
When did we increase taxes on the rich?
When did we reduce defense spending? The Pentagon just announced it was spending $1.35 TRILLION on a new jet program.
When did we actually increase regulations? And do the regulatory agencies have people to enforce them?

 

[Jimjamesak]

That's not radical left, that's destroying any semblance of what this country has ever looked like. Basically you're saying radical left looks like the old Soviet Union in many ways. Except a utopian version that could never happen in reality. The free stuff for everyone does sound a lot like Obama though, when you put it that way. Oh, and he's way left on social issues, as I've noted many times in the past. And doesn't support the rule of law unless convenient. I could go on, but we've been through this before.

High quality food guarantee is an interesting one. Of course if folks were doing all those other things, I wouldn't want them deciding what a high quality food is for me or my family.

Hmmm, yeah just like the Soviet Union. Except no planned economy or police state.

You have that classic conservative view: You have a problem and you're not worth over $100 million or an unborn fetus? Go * yourself!

 

[Priceless]

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That's not radical left, that's destroying any semblance of what this country has ever looked like. Basically you're saying radical left looks like the old Soviet Union in many ways. Except a utopian version that could never happen in reality. The free stuff for everyone does sound a lot like Obama though, when you put it that way. Oh, and he's way left on social issues, as I've noted many times in the past. And doesn't support the rule of law unless convenient. I could go on, but we've been through this before.

High quality food guarantee is an interesting one. Of course if folks were doing all those other things, I wouldn't want them deciding what a high quality food is for me or my family.

Sounds like Sweden. What a hellish place that is.