The Power of SCOTUS VIII redux: IX is being blocked by the Senate.

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: The Power of SCOTUS VIII redux: IX is being blocked by the Senate.

Assuming they decide to follow that this time around.

Well, then it wouldn't be the Democrats changing it.

I agree, Kep. The Electorate needs reality. I want Trump's entire agenda passed and I want it done with Republican impunity. America needs a does of reality.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

Re: The Power of SCOTUS VIII redux: IX is being blocked by the Senate.

I know a lot of people are going to kill me for this, but, no. No, no, no. What the GOP did was disgusting, but we're better than that and we have to let the wheels move. The difference is the GOP dreams of a world with no government in the way of the rich except for a police force to protect their stuff from the serfs, so they don't care if the system grinds to a halt and people are hurt -- in fact, that's a feature for them because then they get to tell their lemmings "See? We told you government sucks!"

We're the adults in the room, and we're the only ones left who are going to protect democratic process. Let their nominees come to a vote. The American people have voted for animals, but -- they voted. It is not for us to counter that undemocratically.

Then why is every single protest funding and piece of legislation your globalists do point towards exactly what you're blaming the GOP for? You're starting to become USCHO's resident deflector. Must be a sophomore course in the Ivy leagues or something...

 

[St. Clown]

Re: The Power of SCOTUS VIII redux: IX is being blocked by the Senate.

Then why is every single protest funding and piece of legislation your globalists do point towards exactly what you're blaming the GOP for? You're starting to become USCHO's resident deflector. Must be a sophomore course in the Ivy leagues or something...

Exactly how jealous are you of the Ivy league graduates that you continually toss insults at them and their education? Is it a product of playing in the EZAC with them? Those constant, broad-based insults serve only to undermine any other points you make. Unless it's a globalist rant, because you've abused that topic enough on its own already that you're completely ignored with regards to it.

 

[Rover]

I know a lot of people are going to kill me for this, but, no. No, no, no. What the GOP did was disgusting, but we're better than that and we have to let the wheels move. The difference is the GOP dreams of a world with no government in the way of the rich except for a police force to protect their stuff from the serfs, so they don't care if the system grinds to a halt and people are hurt -- in fact, that's a feature for them because then they get to tell their lemmings "See? We told you government sucks!"

We're the adults in the room, and we're the only ones left who are going to protect democratic process. Let their nominees come to a vote. The American people have voted for animals, but -- they voted. It is not for us to counter that undemocratically.

Sorry, but this attitude will cause us to lose every time. You can't play by rules the other side long abandoned if the voters won't hold the GOP responsible. I'd filibuster and vote down EVERY GOP nominee who's a nutter. Fuk that "Presidential prerogative" sh !t because that's what the Republicans already did. If they want to get rid of SCOTUS filibuster that's their right, but it causes an additional fissure between young loons and old dinosaurs in the party.

A good analysis I saw once about the GOP's obstruction is that it was a direct message to their core supporters that they'd go to the mat for them win or lose. Same thing needs to happen here.

Nice guys finish last Kep. Especially in politics.

 

[Kepler]

Re: The Power of SCOTUS VIII redux: IX is being blocked by the Senate.

Well, then it wouldn't be the Democrats changing it.

I agree, Kep. The Electorate needs reality. I want Trump's entire agenda passed and I want it done with Republican impunity. America needs a does of reality.

The problem with this is many of the people who will be hurt have not been fooled by the GOP con game and have been working all along to stop them. But it is true that one of the quirks of this last election is the people who pushed Trump and the GOP over the top are the group who will be most damaged by them, and there will be some amount of schadenfreude watching the scales fall from their eyes.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: The Power of SCOTUS VIII redux: IX is being blocked by the Senate.

The problem with this is many of the people who will be hurt have not been fooled by the GOP con game and have been working all along to stop them. But it is true that one of the quirks of this last election is the people who pushed Trump and the GOP over the top are the group who will be most damaged by them, and there will be some amount of schadenfreude watching the scales fall from their eyes.

I can't wait to see the first man on the street video where someone is crying and says, I didn't vote for this. Yes, you did.

 

[Kepler]

Re: The Power of SCOTUS VIII redux: IX is being blocked by the Senate.

Nice guys finish last Kep. Especially in politics.

I'm not suggesting we be nice. I'm insisting we remain Americans. I am well aware of what you are saying, but this is the waterboarding decision. We face terrorists. But if we become terrorists to fight them, what have we gained?

Win as a nation of laws. Play hard -- even play dirty by the traditional norms of politics, and god knows that can be pretty dirty. But you can't burn the village to save it.

 

[Rover]

I'm not suggesting we be nice. I'm insisting we remain Americans. I am well aware of what you are saying, but this is the waterboarding decision. We face terrorists. But if we become terrorists to fight them, what have we gained?

Win as a nation of laws. Play hard -- even play dirty by the traditional norms of politics, and god knows that can be pretty dirty. But you can't burn the village to save it.

Nothing illegal about holding up any and every nutter suggestion out of the GOP. Not the same as torturing people, which is illegal.

 

[Rover]

The problem with this is many of the people who will be hurt have not been fooled by the GOP con game and have been working all along to stop them. But it is true that one of the quirks of this last election is the people who pushed Trump and the GOP over the top are the group who will be most damaged by them, and there will be some amount of schadenfreude watching the scales fall from their eyes.

I don't think a lot of people on the left have been working hard enough, or at all Kep. Too many lefties seem to either think voting for a major party candidate is beneath them since its waaaayyy cooler to go 3rd party, or they think others will do the voting for them. Democrats, both those who couldn't be bothered to vote Dem (and this just isn't a Hillary thing - if it was Feingold would have won in Wisconsin for example even if she narrowly lost) or those who did but blasted Hillary as not being enough of The Messiah all through the election, should pay the price of Trump's victory alongside the idiots who voted for him (and aren't billionaires because I can at least see what big money people will get out his reign).

Maybe next time, and this is a BIG maybe, Dems will enthusiastically support a nominee who gives them 80% of what they want, instead of staying home and leaving govt to a bunch of people who will take away 100% of what they already have.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: The Power of SCOTUS VIII redux: IX is being blocked by the Senate.

Maybe next time, and this is a BIG maybe, Dems will enthusiastically support a nominee who gives them 80% of what they want, instead of staying home and leaving govt to a bunch of people who will take away 100% of what they already have.

You'll excuse me if I don't hold my breath.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

Re: The Power of SCOTUS VIII redux: IX is being blocked by the Senate.

Nothing illegal about holding up any and every nutter suggestion out of the GOP. Not the same as torturing people, which is illegal.

So long as the GOP gets to do the same to you.

Stalemates aren't exactly bad things. Means government intrudes less.

 

[Rover]

You'll excuse me if I don't hold my breath.

Neither will I, but if I hear any whiners crying about high tuition bills and student loan debt over the next 4 years, I'll be sure to remind them they had a chance to possibly do something about it, or they could choose to be stuck in the same situation for at least the next 4 years. They chose the 2nd option, so suck it up and deal with it.

A lot of people want to complain about Hillary being an uninspiring nominee, but I keep coming back to this. Why then did no Senate Dems win in states where she lost? Is Feingold a ConservaDem? I mean, the guy was Bernie before Bernie was. He lost his race by MORE than Hillary did??? You also had fairly liberal nominees in PA and NC. You also have an astounding 24! freakin GOP reps sitting in Clinton won seats. Their House majority is....24 seats.

Fellow lefties, you let this happen. I'd love it for a Dem candidate (Warren) to go around the country and start telling the cold hard truth to people.

 

[Kepler]

Re: The Power of SCOTUS VIII redux: IX is being blocked by the Senate.

I don't think a lot of people on the left have been working hard enough, or at all Kep. Too many lefties seem to either think voting for a major party candidate is beneath them since its waaaayyy cooler to go 3rd party, or they think others will do the voting for them. Democrats, both those who couldn't be bothered to vote Dem (and this just isn't a Hillary thing - if it was Feingold would have won in Wisconsin for example even if she narrowly lost) or those who did but blasted Hillary as not being enough of The Messiah all through the election, should pay the price of Trump's victory alongside the idiots who voted for him (and aren't billionaires because I can at least see what big money people will get out his reign).

Maybe next time, and this is a BIG maybe, Dems will enthusiastically support a nominee who gives them 80% of what they want, instead of staying home and leaving govt to a bunch of people who will take away 100% of what they already have.

Hillary was an awful candidate, Rover, and she was pushed through by her friends in the DNC leadership. As it turned out, that was a terrible decision and it cost us SCOTUS for a generation.

Once she was nominated I was behind her 100% -- if we stop fighting our enemies, the world will die -- but this election was not Trump winning, it was the country telling Hillary to f-ck off and DIAF.

The mood of the country was "death to insiders," so we put up the consumate insider. "Very smart, Maria, very smart!"

We need to fumigate the party top to bottom and start winning back all those lost state leg and House seats by acting like liberals, not mealy-mouthed Wall Streeters.

 

[Rover]

Hillary was an awful candidate, Rover, and she was pushed through by her friends in the DNC leadership. As it turned out, that was a terrible decision and it cost us SCOTUS for a generation.

Once she was nominated I was behind her 100% -- if we stop fighting our enemies, the world will die -- but this election was not Trump winning, it was the country telling Hillary to f-ck off and DIAF.

The mood of the country was "death to insiders," so we put up the consumate insider. "Very smart, Maria, very smart!"

We need to fumigate the party top to bottom and start winning back all those lost state leg and House seats by acting like liberals, not mealy-mouthed Wall Streeters.

Kep this makes zero sense. Why did more liberal candidates than her for downballot races 1) lose and 2) lose by more than she did in their states?

Your premise would work if these liberal candidates all outran her, but couldn't overcome a drag at the top of the ticket. Instead, she outran all of them. I can't think of one Senate recruit in a key race who got more votes than her in their state. So, what gives?

BTW, you need to step up and own it regarding being with her 100%. I told you, and told you, and told you, and told you not to make the perfect the enemy of the good, and if someone gives you 80% of what you want not to dismiss that. Collectively lefties did much the same as what you did, which is spent the primaries calling her a corporate sellout, only to be flabbergasted when lefties then didn't bother to turn out in the general election, thus leaving the country be governed by.....corporations.

Republicans made peace with Trump towards the end of the campaign, and he's a lunatic. Had Dems done the same with a fairly liberal nominee, we wouldn't be in this situation.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: The Power of SCOTUS VIII redux: IX is being blocked by the Senate.

Kep this makes zero sense. Why did more liberal candidates than her for downballot races 1) lose and 2) lose by more than she did in their states?

Your premise would work if these liberal candidates all outran her, but couldn't overcome a drag at the top of the ticket. Instead, she outran all of them. I can't think of one Senate recruit in a key race who got more votes than her in their state. So, what gives?

BTW, you need to step up and own it regarding being with her 100%. I told you, and told you, and told you, and told you not to make the perfect the enemy of the good, and if someone gives you 80% of what you want not to dismiss that. Collectively lefties did much the same as what you did, which is spent the primaries calling her a corporate sellout, only to be flabbergasted when lefties then didn't bother to turn out in the general election, thus leaving the country be governed by.....corporations.

Republicans made peace with Trump towards the end of the campaign, and he's a lunatic. Had Dems done the same with a fairly liberal nominee, we wouldn't be in this situation.

Liberals never make peace. That's part of the problem. It's also 100% of the reason 2000 and 2016 turned out the way they did. The bar is always higher for liberals. Always.

 

[Rover]

Liberals never make peace. That's part of the problem. It's also 100% of the reason 2000 and 2016 turned out the way they did. The bar is always higher for liberals. Always.

Something they need to fix. I like Kep's posting but his Mother Theresa act is absurd. During the primaries he was one of the most vociferous anti-Hillary Dems. You can't just flick a switch once the nomination is decided. Lazy Dems weren't all in for whatever stupid reason so they just willed the country to Trump-Ryan-McConnell in order to teach centrist Dems a lesson??? Oooookaayyyy

 

[burd]

Re: The Power of SCOTUS VIII redux: IX is being blocked by the Senate.

Kep this makes zero sense. Why did more liberal candidates than her for downballot races 1) lose and 2) lose by more than she did in their states?

Your premise would work if these liberal candidates all outran her, but couldn't overcome a drag at the top of the ticket. Instead, she outran all of them. I can't think of one Senate recruit in a key race who got more votes than her in their state. So, what gives?

BTW, you need to step up and own it regarding being with her 100%. I told you, and told you, and told you, and told you not to make the perfect the enemy of the good, and if someone gives you 80% of what you want not to dismiss that. Collectively lefties did much the same as what you did, which is spent the primaries calling her a corporate sellout, only to be flabbergasted when lefties then didn't bother to turn out in the general election, thus leaving the country be governed by.....corporations.

Republicans made peace with Trump towards the end of the campaign, and he's a lunatic. Had Dems done the same with a fairly liberal nominee, we wouldn't be in this situation.

As I recall, Rover, that it was you who kept saying Hillary could not possibly lose and that concerns over Trump's candidacy were ill-founded and foolish. If that attitude was shared by many, it probably was as much a factor in Hillary's poor turnout as anything else.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: The Power of SCOTUS VIII redux: IX is being blocked by the Senate.

Something they need to fix. I like Kep's posting but his Mother Theresa act is absurd. During the primaries he was one of the most vociferous anti-Hillary Dems. You can't just flick a switch once the nomination is decided. Lazy Dems weren't all in for whatever stupid reason so they just willed the country to Trump-Ryan-McConnell in order to teach centrist Dems a lesson??? Oooookaayyyy

The only fix is to appeal to a wider range of people. Hope the demographic changes do part of the job for you. The problem with intellectuals is they always outsmart themselves. I voted for Gore but I had friends who didn't. This time they had learned their lesson and voted for Hillary. Problem is the younger generation learns the lesson after it's too late.

 

[Rover]

As I recall, Rover, that it was you who kept saying Hillary could not possibly lose and that concerns over Trump's candidacy were ill-founded and foolish. If that attitude was shared by many, it probably was as much a factor in Hillary's poor turnout as anything else.

They were IF LAZY DEMOCRATS BOTHERED TO VOTE! On Trump I had right, which was he'd win about the Romney vote. Indeed he did. Same % of total vote and a million or so more in total but still around that 61-62M range. What I didn't expect was jack@ ss liberals even having seen what a GOP Presidency can do just 8 short years ago again not bothering to participate, or voting 3d party. Didn't we learn our lesson in 2000? 2010? 2014? Guess not.

Your point however is stupid. Its smacks of "let someone else do the voting". If the Patriots are playing in the Super Bowl vs the Lions this year, I'm not going to say "oh they should win easily so I won't bother watching the game". I'm going to participate by watching and rooting for them 100%. There is no, and I mean NO excuse for the lack of voter participation collectively by Dems this year. If Hillary was such a bad candidate, why did she outrun all the other Dems in downballot races? Surely the more liberal ones should have won no problem, right?

 

[burd]

Re: The Power of SCOTUS VIII redux: IX is being blocked by the Senate.

They were IF LAZY DEMOCRATS BOTHERED TO VOTE! On Trump I had right, which was he'd win about the Romney vote. Indeed he did. Same % of total vote and a million or so more in total but still around that 61-62M range. What I didn't expect was jack@ ss liberals even having seen what a GOP Presidency can do just 8 short years ago again not bothering to participate, or voting 3d party. Didn't we learn our lesson in 2000? 2010? 2014? Guess not.

Your point however is stupid. Its smacks of "let someone else do the voting". If the Patriots are playing in the Super Bowl vs the Lions this year, I'm not going to say "oh they should win easily so I won't bother watching the game". I'm going to participate by watching and rooting for them 100%. There is no, and I mean NO excuse for the lack of voter participation collectively by Dems this year. If Hillary was such a bad candidate, why did she outrun all the other Dems in downballot races? Surely the more liberal ones should have won no problem, right?

My "point" was certainly not to let others do the voting. Quite the opposite. I never assumed Hill would win and made it a point to support her.