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The NFL Thread, Part III: What lockout?

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WeWantMore said:
So the Ravens "pass" last night was really Chicago's fault.
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IIRC I posted this during the playoffs, but it's relevant again now.

As we got closer to our pick, Angelo made the decision for the Bears to draft Starks. When we drafted a player there was a protocol we followed. After the decision on who to draft was made, Cliff Stein (the Bears contract negotiator) would call the players agent and tell him we were planning on drafting his player. He would tell the agent that the wanted to get a 4-year contract with the player and wanted the contract done by a certain date. If the agent agreed then I would call the player and give him the news that the Bears were going to take him. This is exactly what happened with Starks. I was on the phone for a minute or so with Starks when Angelo walked in my office and told me he had changed his mind and was drafting LeFevour. I put Starks on hold and then said to Angelo that Stein had already talked to the agent and I had the player on the phone…we couldn’t do business like that. He said he was sorry but he decided he wanted LeFevour and the card had been turned in.
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WeWantMore said:
I love Gruden chuckling at the Vikings pick.
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And I love at least two other analysts (Young and Jaws I think) ripping into Dilfer for his rant on the Ponder pick, plus Ponder calling Dilfer, "Elvis Grbac with a ring" in retort.

pirate said:
Last week I was told by somebody close to Ponder that they thought he might go first round and I just smiled and nodded...thinking that was just wild optimism. More than one team told him they were interested in taking him early, according to this person. Seems like they were mostly correct...I haven't heard if any teams have come out and said they also had him high or didn't have on board until much later. That usually is a good way to figure out who made a mistake.
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No, no, no. The pick must be mocked.

As far as injuries, I thought he only missed 4 games? And according to a FL beat writer he was known to play while injured.

What do I know, he may end up being a bust, but Ponder wasn't the only QB that was a reach imho, and least the Vikings didn't give up any picks.
 
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Love to move of the draft to make it Thursday-Saturday. I don't even mind some of the bells and whistles and special pick announcers/presenters and all that stuff. Fine. But when No. 64 is on the clock, we ought to have heard what happened at No. 62. They seem particularly disorganized onsite this year.
 
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bronconick said:
And then draft back up into the 2nd round to take a ................running back.

The hell?
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I started watching the Tigers. I got to watch them bang 2 balls of the right field wall in the 2nd and manage not to score any, and there was no DP involved.

I knew the Lions wanted a big back to complement Best, so that is not overly surprising.
 
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Heh. I imagine Mallett never imagined his next step in football would be to hold a clipboard for years. Too bad he can't transfer out if it's too difficult.
 
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Well, I can't complain a ton with what the Vikings did at #12. May it have been a stretch? Yes. But the organization was confident Ponder would be taken at #16 to Miami if they didn't take him, and clearly Ponder was the guy they had highest on their board. The Vikings committed themselves to a franchise quarterback, something they've done only three times in the draft.

Today's pick? Somewhat puzzling, and stupid. BUT, in our new offense, Musgrave plans on using more double tight end sets, which Rudolph will excell in. He has great value in the run game as an effective run blocker, and has decent hands too. He was the best TE in the draft. The Vikings must've thought that Rudolph was of more value than Austin, Paea, or Bowers and his "bone on bone" knee. There was apparently more value in Rudolph's ability to protect the Ponder and help out Adrian than there was with other players.

All in all, this draft can either be pretty good for us, or absolutely disastrous. It's too early to tell what it will be, but we'll know in a few years.

We commited to a franchise QB, that's a start..
 
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MavHockey14 said:
Well, I can't complain a ton with what the Vikings did at #12. May it have been a stretch? Yes. But the organization was confident Ponder would be taken at #16 to Miami if they didn't take him, and clearly Ponder was the guy they had highest on their board. The Vikings committed themselves to a franchise quarterback, something they've done only three times in the draft.

Today's pick? Somewhat puzzling, and stupid. BUT, in our new offense, Musgrave plans on using more double tight end sets, which Rudolph will excell in. He has great value in the run game as an effective run blocker, and has decent hands too. He was the best TE in the draft. The Vikings must've thought that Rudolph was of more value than Austin, Paea, or Bowers and his "bone on bone" knee. There was apparently more value in Rudolph's ability to protect the Ponder and help out Adrian than there was with other players.

All in all, this draft can either be pretty good for us, or absolutely disastrous. It's too early to tell what it will be, but we'll know in a few years.

We commited to a franchise QB, that's a start..
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I am buying what Charch, PA and the other guy talked about today. They said that a change of blocking schemes for the offense might be a better fit for the talent we have. But at this point I am not going to get to upset bout the Vikings. It is just not worth it.
 
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Hammer said:
I started watching the Tigers. I got to watch them bang 2 balls of the right field wall in the 2nd and manage not to score any, and there was no DP involved.

I knew the Lions wanted a big back to complement Best, so that is not overly surprising.
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Yeah, but I think they probably could have gotten somebody in the later rounds who would have been a decent H back. Somebody that can help out a lot with blocking, while still being able to get some tough yards and being the occasional safety valve as well. Somebody of the mold of Corey Schlesinger would have been nicer I think.

The WR there pretty much kills the idea of Ochocinco coming to Detroit that was being rumored.

Lions only have a 5th round and a seventh round pick left. That doesn't leave you with being able to do that much here now. I'm doubting that they're going to do much to address the Oline here now in the draft. maybe go after some DB's or LB's here, and then as soon as you can start signing the undrafted kids, scoop up a bunch of Oline guys for some practice squad depth. With the guys that they'll have facing them in practice, the Lions are not going to want the DL beating up all of the starting Oline guys in practice.
 
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Biddco said:
I am buying what Charch, PA and the other guy talked about today. They said that a change of blocking schemes for the offense might be a better fit for the talent we have. But at this point I am not going to get to upset bout the Vikings. It is just not worth it.
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If you buy what Charch sells I have some beachfront property from Idaho to sell you.
 
Brenthoven said:
If you buy what Charch sells I have some beachfront property from Idaho to sell you.
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1) It's not fantasy football or a video game, so why is Charch commenting?*
2) There's no way Charch was doing anything except agreeing with anything PA had to say...

*Not that he knows what he's knows what he's talking about with either.
 
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Screw Charch, but given that Shiancoe is likely gone after this season it's not unreasonable to think that a developing QB will need an outlet to have in his back pocket.
 
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MinnesotaNorthStar said:
1) It's not fantasy football or a video game, so why is Charch commenting?*
2) There's no way Charch was doing anything except agreeing with anything PA had to say...

*Not that he knows what he's knows what he's talking about with either.
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Charch knows less about football than ctf. At best. He is HORRID at his football "knowledge.' It's like you taking over Dr Ruth.
 
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bigmrg74 said:
Yeah, but I think they probably could have gotten somebody in the later rounds who would have been a decent H back. Somebody that can help out a lot with blocking, while still being able to get some tough yards and being the occasional safety valve as well. Somebody of the mold of Corey Schlesinger would have been nicer I think.

The WR there pretty much kills the idea of Ochocinco coming to Detroit that was being rumored.

Lions only have a 5th round and a seventh round pick left. That doesn't leave you with being able to do that much here now. I'm doubting that they're going to do much to address the Oline here now in the draft. maybe go after some DB's or LB's here, and then as soon as you can start signing the undrafted kids, scoop up a bunch of Oline guys for some practice squad depth. With the guys that they'll have facing them in practice, the Lions are not going to want the DL beating up all of the starting Oline guys in practice.
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Ocho would have been an awful decision. The only reason a guy like Fairley works is because A) Schwartz got Haynesworth to not suck in Tennessee and B) VandenBosch, Suh and company will rip him apart if he pops an attitude or is lazy. Similar players do not exist on offense and wouldn't likely work on an old-*** receiver with an attitude problem.

That said, not overly impressed that they've traded up in consecutive years for running backs. The line statistically is decent vs. the pass, but has never shown any ability to run block.
 
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