The New WCHA (2013-14)

[Shirtless Guy]

Re: The New WCHA (2013-14)

What about if you have to travel to Alaska for a playoff series? Are those games exempt?

Wouldn't it be something if say the #5 and #6 schools each have to go up to Alaska, but are on the cusp of getting an at-large bid, and they both lost. They then set up a quick non-conference series thanks to the exempt games, and whoever won the series was bumped up high enough to make the NCAA Tournament. How much advance notice do schools need to give for their schedule?

Also, am I right in assuming that exempt games must be used in the year that the Alaska games were played (i.e. no keeping extra games for the next year)? Didn't Michigan get in trouble for something like this a few years back?

Conference tournament games are exempt in general, so no, you would not get 2 extra games at that point or the following season for having to make that trip.

 

[Fighting Sioux 23]

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Conference tournament games are exempt in general, so no, you would not get 2 extra games at that point or the following season for having to make that trip.

What about the regular season exempt games...are schools allowed to carry those over to the following season?

 

[Shirtless Guy]

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What about the regular season exempt games...are schools allowed to carry those over to the following season?

I don't think so, but I'm not positive.

 

[Fighting Sioux 23]

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I don't think so, but I'm not positive.

I didn't think so either, and I thought that is what Michigan got in trouble over a few years back. I could be 100% wrong though.

 

[Shirtless Guy]

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I didn't think so either, and I thought that is what Michigan got in trouble over a few years back. I could be 100% wrong though.

If Im not mistaken, Michigan excepted an invitation to one of the Alaska school "tournaments" at the last minute and tried to use the exemption the following year.

 

[ExileOnDaytonStreet]

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FWIW, I emailed Rob Demovsky of the GB Press Gazzette about UWGB in that story from the News Miner and the Resch Center maybe being involved in a possible WCHA tourney. I got this not-surprising response:

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The UWGB hockey thing isn't happening. That athletic department couldn't fund that. Plus, there would be major Title IX issues. The school issued a statement saying it doesn't know why its name would be mentioned in that story because it has had no discussions with the WCHA.
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Not sure about the Resch Center as a possible venue for that tournament. I will look into it.

 

[davyd83]

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so i have a question. Let's say that every so often my team goes up to alaska twice in a season. Do i get two exemptions? In other words 4 extra games either at home or whatever.

yes

 

[Suze]

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I'd love to see it happen, but costs would be an issue and attendance would be lousy. With all due respect to the hardcore Seawolves boosters who are diehards, this has (unfortunately) turned into an ECHL town. You'd have a hard time getting more than the puckhead diehards to show up, especially if neither Alaska school was playing.

That is true, but even the defending Kelly Cup Aces, who are by far the best team in the ECHL this season, are also struggling to fill the Sully. They had 4600 for last Fri and Sat, and that is very unusual. I think it all has to do with the economy. This proves that winning does not always bring in the fans.

 

[devildog]

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I may be way off topic here, as I only went back to about page 9, but I get that this whole re-alignment was about money and screw the small schools, is there any way we can get back at them(big schools), even a little bit? We could refuse to play them, I know, that would only likely hurt us. The whole thing just makes me so mad since they want the game to be about Michigan vs Wisconsin and not Tech vs LSSU. They are taking away what I love about college hockey, Northern has a chance to compete against a Michigan State in the current format. Big schools don't like that, so through money and influence they are taking it away. I guess if your a Big Ten guy you can laugh and say so what? I'd just like a chance to kick em in the knee once, real hard, before we go, as we cower in need of their almighty dollar.

 

[Squarebanks]

That is true, but even the defending Kelly Cup Aces, who are by far the best team in the ECHL this season, are also struggling to fill the Sully. They had 4600 for last Fri and Sat, and that is very unusual. I think it all has to do with the economy. This proves that winning does not always bring in the fans.

Don't think that I'm standing up for the Aces, because I'm not, but mid-season games aren't going to be a big draw. They usually fill that barn up late-season and playoffs. Besides, we need to keep the product in context here; ECHL may be a step up from D1, but it's not a very big step. I think a big reason the Aces draw more has to do with fighting and beer drinking at your seats. I can't think of any other reason anyone would want to listen to Bob Lester's cheer leading for three hours.

 

[seawolfpunk]

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Don't think that I'm standing up for the Aces, because I'm not, but mid-season games aren't going to be a big draw. They usually fill that barn up late-season and playoffs. Besides, we need to keep the product in context here; ECHL may be a step up from D1, but it's not a very big step. I think a big reason the Aces draw more has to do with fighting and beer drinking at your seats. I can't think of any other reason anyone would want to listen to Bob Lester's cheer leading for three hours.

You hit it on the nail. The Aces make there money in the playoffs not reg. season. Although if i remember correctly they didn't sellout any of the playoff games last season (at least the ones i was at were not full).

 

[Suze]

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You hit it on the nail. The Aces make there money in the playoffs not reg. season. Although if i remember correctly they didn't sellout any of the playoff games last season (at least the ones i was at were not full).

You are correct, they did not sell out. The games were going to be on TV only if the Sully was sold out, otherwise they were blacked out locally. And they were all blacked out locally.

 

[Jimjamesak]

You hit it on the nail. The Aces make there money in the playoffs not reg. season. Although if i remember correctly they didn't sellout any of the playoff games last season (at least the ones i was at were not full).

Yeah their first round games weren't sellouts but the next two rounds were. They pump up the ticket prices and beer sales and that's how they make their money. And the ECHL practically gifts playoff births to the western teams, 8 teams and 7 make the playoffs.

Only way a tournament in Anchorage works is if UAA and UAF make it and play in the final.

 

[aparch]

yes

Huh? I was under the impression that no matter how many regular season trips to Alaska are made, the two game bonus exemption is all that is allowed.

And as stated before, post season trips North do not get an exemption.


NMU once made three flights to Alaska for a weekend series (two scheduled, one playoff) within one calendar year.

 

[giwan]

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We are moving forward with the idea of adding a 10th team to round out the schedule and playoff format. Ideally that team is MSU-Moorhead so that we can solidify the Fargo/Moorhead market and its in the footprint of MN's hockey fan base. If the Iowa State and UW-Green bay rumors are true, than great, we can go to twelve and split into geographical divisions.

I loved the interview on CHT with Denver's coach, and it is getting so annoying that nobody will answer the question what Miami and Western michigan offers that BSU and MSU-mankato didnt??

Good points, out of those three locations which is easiest to get in an out of? Offices out of Chicago or Green Bay?

A high quality stream would be a great idea as many of the schools will not be seen on TV.

What is the word on MSU-M?

Green Bay seems so fickle regarding hockey. Though it seems the Gamblers do a decent job, there is so little support for any lower level hockey in the area and that is where you grow fans. Would Chicago work as it is easy to get in and out of for fans? I don't think I would ever hold it in the Detroit area. Their insight into hockey goes about 50-75 miles.

The interview was PRICELESS.

All that said I see Bruce keeping it status quo.

 

[Shirtless Guy]

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Huh? I was under the impression that no matter how many regular season trips to Alaska are made, the two game bonus exemption is all that is allowed.

And as stated before, post season trips North do not get an exemption.


NMU once made three flights to Alaska for a weekend series (two scheduled, one playoff) within one calendar year.

Actually the post season trip is exempted, as are all post season games. As for the first part, you can't make two trips to Anchorage to play the seawolves and get 4 games exempt but if you make a trip to Anchorage and a trip to fairbanks, you most certainly can get 4 games exempted and and play 38 regular season games.

 

[davyd83]

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Green Bay seems so fickle regarding hockey. Though it seems the Gamblers do a decent job, there is so little support for any lower level hockey in the area and that is where you grow fans.

Really? St Norbert draws the best crowds in their league, with several crowds over 1000 this year. There is a strong youth hockey program and high school hockey also draws well. Check out Ashwaubenon or Notre Dame.

 

[manurespreader]

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Youth hockey in wisconsin is growing, no doubt.I'm sure interest will grow as time goes by but SJ does have a point, the final five money will be mostly gone and the challenge now is to find a way to get some exposure/ revenue and minimize costs. If they can make money in Green Bay I think it has the inside track, However a conference site is, I'm sure, not out of the question. Especially at first. One other possibility, isn't there another arena in the Soo that could host?

I suspect based on the previous posts that teams are in the middle of figuring out how to use those two exemptions.As certain fans pointed out previously it is an additional home weekend, maybe. The season is already really long and finding a slot for it might be difficult, especially with two trips to Alaska. Though certainly it would bring in some money.
Green bay air connections are not terrible, but pretty much you have to go to Chicago, Minneapolis or Detroit first. Whereas from the major cities it's direct to most everywhere.

 

[huskyfan]

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the silence from the WCHA is deafening. they need to get moving. off DU campus, out of Denver into new media.

 

[aparch]

Actually the post season trip is exempted, as are all post season games. As for the first part, you can't make two trips to Anchorage to play the seawolves and get 4 games exempt but if you make a trip to Anchorage and a trip to fairbanks, you most certainly can get 4 games exempted and and play 38 regular season games.

I've always had it explained that it's one exemption per year. No matter how many Alaskan universities you play against.