The New WCHA (2013-14)

[dggoddard]

Re: The New WCHA (2013-14)

the silence from the WCHA is deafening. they need to get moving. off DU campus, out of Denver into new media.

The league office isn't moving anywhere until 2013 at the earliest. There are 12 teams in the league, the offices are free and Bruce presumably lives in Denver.

The WCHA has a fiduciary duty to protect the interests of the 12 existing members. The WCHA can plan for the future, but until teams leave the conference they can't put interests of the "stayers" vs. ahead of the "departers."

If the WCHA does choose to relocate the league offices in 2013, are they going to go to the expense of paying Bruce's moving expenses? Doubtful. So the future site of the league offices will probably have more to do with the hometown of the new commissioner, if they go that route, than anything else.

If Bruce is commissioner in 2013 and beyond, they will probably stay in Denver.

 

[Shirtless Guy]

Re: The New WCHA (2013-14)

The league office isn't moving anywhere until 2013 at the earliest. There are 12 teams in the league, the offices are free and Bruce presumably lives in Denver.

The WCHA has a fiduciary duty to protect the interests of the 12 existing members. The WCHA can plan for the future, but until teams leave the conference they can't put interests of the "stayers" vs. ahead of the "departers."

If the WCHA does choose to relocate the league offices in 2013, are they going to go to the expense of paying Bruce's moving expenses? Doubtful. So the future site of the league offices will probably have more to do with the hometown of the new commissioner, if they go that route, than anything else.

If Bruce is commissioner in 2013 and beyond, they will probably stay in Denver.

F that, there is absolutely no reason for the office to stay in colorado after DU and CC have abandoned the league. Go back in to your hole dbag. I think I speak for everyone when I say no one cares about the interests of the departers and if the WCHA needs to start the transition this offseason, so be it. The rest of you can F off, you decided to leave and we need to get things in order.

 

[davyd83]

Re: The New WCHA (2013-14)

I've always had it explained that it's one exemption per year. No matter how many Alaskan universities you play against.

That's incorrect. In 06-07, Nebraska Omaha played at the Nye Frontier Classic in Anchorage as well as at Fairbanks in CCHA play in February. They played 38 regular season games that year, 4 above the limit for those not playing at Alaska. When NMU goes to both Fairbanks and Anchorage, they will be able to schedule 38 games as well.

 

[huskyfan]

Re: The New WCHA (2013-14)

F that, there is absolutely no reason for the office to stay in colorado after DU and CC have abandoned the league. Go back in to your hole dbag. I think I speak for everyone when I say no one cares about the interests of the departers and if the WCHA needs to start the transition this offseason, so be it. The rest of you can F off, you decided to leave and we need to get things in order.

this.

 

[geezer]

Re: The New WCHA (2013-14)

If Bruce is commissioner in 2013 and beyond, they will probably stay in Denver.

This is seriously the most bizarre possibility I've yet heard (except for the lamebrained theory the Tigers would go after Fielder. ha ha). Really, it's like saying the Big 10 Conference offices will probably be in Anchorage.

 

[darker98]

Re: The New WCHA (2013-14)

F that, there is absolutely no reason for the office to stay in colorado after DU and CC have abandoned the league. Go back in to your hole dbag. I think I speak for everyone when I say no one cares about the interests of the departers and if the WCHA needs to start the transition this offseason, so be it. The rest of you can F off, you decided to leave and we need to get things in order.

I don't think the 8 schools leaving are going to go for moving offices while they are still in the league.

 

[dggoddard]

Re: The New WCHA (2013-14)

While it might be unethical as you suggest to do things against the interest of all a majority still rules and where does it say you have to reimburse Bruce the job is moving period

Depending on the league by-laws you probably need more than 50% to make major decisions.

Big Ten - Wi, MN

NCHC - CC, DU, UND, UNO, SCSU, UMD

New WCHA - UAA, BSU, MSU, MTU

 

[huskyfan]

Re: The New WCHA (2013-14)

any class organization would recuse themselves from any input into this decision.

we sold the house, but we still want input into what color its painted.

typical.

 

[dggoddard]

Re: The New WCHA (2013-14)

any class organization would recuse themselves from any input into this decision.

we sold the house, but we still want input into what color its painted.

typical.

Who is going to pay for the paint?

 

[aparch]

I don't think the 8 schools leaving are going to go for moving offices while they are still in the league.

Because of the screw job the NCHC schools pulled in regards to the by-laws, this was amended before NMU was accepted in.

A majority vote is needed, and it was amended that any changes that affect the future WCHA are to be voted upon by the future schools. This allowed the remaining WCHA schools to accept NMU without the need for votes from NoDak, CC, DU, UNO, UMn, or UW.

 

[darker98]

Re: The New WCHA (2013-14)

any class organization would recuse themselves from any input into this decision.

we sold the house, but we still want input into what color its painted.

typical.

The house doesn't change hands until 2013-14

 

[darker98]

Re: The New WCHA (2013-14)

Because of the screw job the NCHC schools pulled in regards to the by-laws, this was amended before NMU was accepted in.

A majority vote is needed, and it was amended that any changes that affect the future WCHA are to be voted upon by the future schools. This allowed the remaining WCHA schools to accept NMU without the need for votes from NoDak, CC, DU, UNO, UMn, or UW.

I didn't know that. I don't think the other teams would have opposed.

 

[aparch]

That's incorrect. In 06-07, Nebraska Omaha played at the Nye Frontier Classic in Anchorage as well as at Fairbanks in CCHA play in February. They played 38 regular season games that year, 4 above the limit for those not playing at Alaska. When NMU goes to both Fairbanks and Anchorage, they will be able to schedule 38 games as well.

Wow! I was always told it was once and that's it for trips to Alaska. I knew the Hall of Fame game and Icebreaker were also exempted, but was apparently mis-told of the AK rules for a while.

 

[dggoddard]

Re: The New WCHA (2013-14)

Wow! I was always told it was once and that's it for trips to Alaska. I knew the Hall of Fame game and Icebreaker were also exempted, but was apparently mis-told of the AK rules for a while.

There are tournament exemptions & Alaska/Hawaii/Puerto Rico exemptions.

Denver Cup, Beanpot, Mariucci Classic, Nye, Icebreaker etc.

You can't get exemptions for two tournaments in the same season.

 

[aparch]

I didn't know that. I don't think the other teams would have opposed.

The quirk came about because if six schools abstain, you do not have a majority vote. Or, the NCHC schools could have stuck it to the WCHA by voting no (with no votes or abstentions from B1G schools).

Would they have? I'd say no, but if any of the NCHC's wanted to start a pi**ing match with McLeod, how better than to screw the WCHA from allowing other teams. If NMU wasn't admitted, the WCHA would have dipped to five teams, less than the minimum required by the NCAA for a league.

Hard to switch conferences in the summer when agreements (like the CCHA's you're a member of ours for two years beyond the current year) are in place. Also makes scheduling a nightmare.

The NCHC schools were in a good position to screw McLeod and the remaining WCHA schools.

 

[Fighting Sioux 23]

Re: The New WCHA (2013-14)

There are tournament exemptions & Alaska/Hawaii/Puerto Rico exemptions.

Denver Cup, Beanpot, Mariucci Classic, Nye, Icebreaker etc.

You can't get exemptions for two tournaments in the same season.

I'm pretty sure the Denver Cup, Beanpot, and Mariucci Classic are not exempt, as they are school sponsored and not NCAA sponsored. The Icebreaker is exempt.

 

[aparch]

There are tournament exemptions & Alaska/Hawaii/Puerto Rico exemptions.

Denver Cup, Beanpot, Mariucci Classic, Nye, Icebreaker etc.

You can't get exemptions for two tournaments in the same season.

Wait, ALL tourneys are exempted too? I call horsesh*t on that, otherwise there are teams leaving extra games on the table and not taking advantage of them.

You're telling me if 2013-14 NMU participates in two scheduled flights to Alaska, the Denver Cup, AND a Hall-of-Fame game, we could get 41 games?

 

[Shirtless Guy]

Re: The New WCHA (2013-14)

There are tournament exemptions & Alaska/Hawaii/Puerto Rico exemptions.

Denver Cup, Beanpot, Mariucci Classic, Nye, Icebreaker etc.

You can't get exemptions for two tournaments in the same season.

It's nice to see you show just how dumb you are...there is no "tournament exemption."

It is in Bylaw 17.12.5.3 (pages 273-274) in the NCAA Division I Manual: http://www.ncaapublications.com/productdownloads/D111.pdf.

The game limit is 34. The following games do not count against the 34-game limit, but do count in official NCAA Statistics and Records--
* Hockey Hall of Fame Game--a single fundraising game conducted every year
* Ice Breaker Tournament--a single 4-team, 2-game tournament conducted every year
* Any game played in Hawaii or Alaska--only by a school from outside those states against a school inside that state
* Conference championship tournament
* NCAA tournament

Also not counting against the 34-game limit, and not counting in NCAA statistics--
* Home game against a foreign team, such as a Canadian University or a foreign national team--limit one
* One away tour against foreign teams--limit one tour every four years.
* US National Teams--a single game per year against any US National Team (e.g., Olympic Team, World Junior Team, Under-18 Development Team, etc.)
* "Alumni game" (exhibition of current players vs alumni of the school)--limit one
* Certain other charity game activities are also permitted, but generally may not involve the entire team.

 

[aparch]

Re: The New WCHA (2013-14)

FS23, I though that your thinking was the correct way.

So, if my above post is amended to a flight to each UA_ and UAA, Icebreaker, and Hall of Fame game, NMU could play 41 games before the first round of playoffs?

 

[Fighting Sioux 23]

Re: The New WCHA (2013-14)

Wait, ALL tourneys are exempted too? I call horsesh*t on that, otherwise there are teams leaving extra games on the table and not taking advantage of them.

You're telling me if 2013-14 NMU participates in two scheduled flights to Alaska, the Denver Cup, AND a Hall-of-Fame game, we could get 41 games?

Then, best 2 of 3 series in the WCHA first round, for another 3 games, add another 2 for the WCHA tourney, then another 4 on NMU's run to the title game, and they would play 50 games. Throw in an exhibition game at the start of the season, and you have a team playing 51 games in 6.5 months...